SUN and MOON

[Keraz]

In our Bibles the sun and the moon are mentioned many times. Some are allegorical, but most describe actual changes and differences to those visible objects.


The sun and the moon are established in the heavens, in the known area of space, which continues into infinity. Psalms 74:16, Jeremiah 31:35


The sun and the moon are also used metaphorically; Psalms 84:11, Micah 4:2 and Matthew 15:43 tell us about the sun of Righteousness. Revelation 12:1 tells about a ‘woman’ clothed with the sun, who represents faithful Israel, who are now; every true Christian person.


However: there are many Bible prophesies which plainly describe dramatic changes to the sun and the moon. Isaiah 30:26 says that the sun will shine with seven times its normal brightness and the moon will reflect it, as it does now, at about a seventh of the suns current strength. This event is what Luke 21:23, Revelation 6:12-17 and more than 100 other verses prophesy - the terrible Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath.


Then other Prophesies say how the sun will be darkened; Isaiah 13:10, Joel 2:10 & 3:15, and Amos 8:9 says this will happen at noon.

Zephaniah 2:4-6 also cites noontime for when the Middle East will be devastated by the Lord’s wrath. Hosea 4:3, Isaiah 10:23, Ezekiel 6:14, Joel 1:20

The next time the sun is mentioned, is in Revelation 16:8; the Fourth Trumpet.


Then; when Jesus Returns; the sun will again be darkened. Matthew 24:29, Isaiah 24:23

Finally; after the Millennium, there will no longer be a sun or moon for Eternity. Isaiah 60:19-20, Revelation 22:5


So what we need to do is to figure out the correct sequence of events and how they are caused. This will enable us to stand firm as dramatic things occur and then to stand before Jesus, having proved our faith in Him and our trust in His protection.

 

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@Keraz Check for correction (inverted numbers)

..Isa 30:26
[26] Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

 

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So what we need to do is to figure out the correct sequence of events and how they are caused. This will enable us to stand firm as dramatic things occur and then to stand before Jesus, having proved our faith in Him and our trust in His protection.

Wrath of the Lamb, is realized is occurring, as the Lamb of God in Heaven, is opening the Seals.
Rev 6:16

Wrath of the Devil, is realized is occurring, during the Trumps.
Rev 12:12

Wrath of God, is realized is occurring, during the Bows/Vials
Rev 14:19...and forward.

WRATH is the effect of Gods ANGER that comes down from Heaven, against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men.
Rom 1:18

A Converted man IS NOT appointed to suffer WRATH.
1 Thes 5:9

HOW shall a converted man be EXCLUDED and not suffer the Wrath coming down from Heaven UPON the Earth?

KNOW WHAT is coming. WRATH A snare to ALL that dwell ON the face of the earth.
KNOW there is an escape.
KNOW WHAT the escape plan IS.
KNOW the Escape IS BECOME CONVERTED IN Christ and YOU SHALL BE RISEN UP OFF the face of the Earth.

Luke 21:
[35] For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
[36] Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Matt 18:
[3] And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

1 Thes 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

OBVIOUS CLUE....PREPARE YOURSELF...BECOME CONVERTED IN CHRIST...
DON’T BE ONE WHO IS DWELLING UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH...WHEN AT ANY MOMENT GOD CAN AND WILL SEND FORTH HIS WRATH UPON THE EARTH.

.....RAPTURE.....

 

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@Keraz

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[Keraz]

.....RAPTURE.....

The idea of people being raptured to heaven at any time, is false and will never happen.
What happens after Jesus Returns as per Matthew 24:31, is a transportation of those faithful people who remain alaive then, to where Jesus will be- in Jerusalem. Zechariah 14:3

 

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The idea of people being raptured to heaven at any time, is false and will never happen.

Rapture, applies exclusively to the Converted.
Follow the sequence.
The Converted are those, WITHOUT SEEING, have believed, by Faith, by their heartful word confessed and have become bodily crucified, soul saved, spirit quickened
What more does God require of a mans body, mans soul, mans spirit, TO not be ON earth, when He is destroying the earth and punishing the UNgodly?
Why would the God Be ANGRY with a Converted man?
Why would God send down His WRATH upon Converted men?

Remember Noah? Remember Gods FIRST Great tribulation of God sending down from Heaven Gods Wrath UPON the whole Earth...and what?
Everything upon the Whole face of the Earth was killed and destroyed.......
AND where was Noah?
Upon the face of the Earth? No.
Noah was IN THE CLOUDS...
Noah was IN THE ARK, for SEVEN days BEFORE the rain began.
Noah was IN the ARK, AS the rains began.
The Rains fell from Heaven.
The water beneath the Earth rose up.
And...where was the ARK going? Up, rising UP, rising UP OFF the face of the Earth.
Rising up , rising up, above the mts. Rising Up, UP, up.....and where was Noah?
In the Ark, ABOVE on the face of the Waters, that which Waters were ABOVE all land, IN THE CLOUDS!

One Great Tribulation of Gods Wrath to destroy Everything ON the face of the Earth...
A Second and Last Great Tribulation of Gods Wrath to destroy Everything ON the face of the Earth....

Why do you think God WILL DESTROY, men He has Saved, Renewed?

What happens after Jesus Returns as per Matthew 24:31, is a transportation of those faithful people who remain alaive then, to where Jesus will be- in Jerusalem. Zechariah 14:3

WAIT...the rapture has NOTHING to do with the Son of man Returning to Earth.

Why are you rejecting the Rapture .... based on the Son of man returning to Earth?

Do you READ the Scriptures? The Lord descends from Heaven to the CLOUDS....NOT EARTH!

The Son of man did not descend from Heaven to the Clouds...
The Son of man descended from Heaven to the Earth...
The Son of man returned to Heaven from the Earth....
The Son of man shall return from Heaven to the Earth...

What does that have to do with MEN IN Christ, rising UP to the CLOUDS?

 

[Keraz]

Why are you rejecting the Rapture

I reject the 'rapture to heaven'.
The prophesies in 1 Thess 4:17 and Matthew 24:31 both refer to a transportation between two earthly points.
Jesus made it quite clear that humans never go to heaven, John 3:13, +

But this thread is about what will soon happen; dramatic signs in the sun and moon. Be aware and be prepared!

 

[Bob Carabbio]

So what we need to do is to figure out the correct sequence of events and how they are caused. This will enable us to stand firm as dramatic things occur and then to stand before Jesus, having proved our faith in Him and our trust in His protection.

Here we go again -

 

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I reject the 'rapture to heaven'.
The prophesies in 1 Thess 4:17 and Matthew 24:31 both refer to a transportation between two earthly points.
Jesus made it quite clear that humans never go to heaven, John 3:13, +

But this thread is about what will soon happen; dramatic signs in the sun and moon. Be aware and be prepared!

A risen man is no longer a human.
If you are on earth during the Tribulation,
you must be subject to Wrath, there is only one reason for that.
Already prepared.

 

[Keraz]

Here we go again -

So; do you not believe what the Prophets said?

A risen man is no longer a human.
If you are on earth during the Tribulation,
you must be subject to Wrath, there is only one reason for that.
Already prepared.

Does your 'preparation' consist of a belief that you will be raptured to heaven before any tribulation?
Raptured before any testing, before any Judgment, taken off the earth suddenly; without any reason other than for God to deal with the ungodly peoples?
Then you contradict many scriptures and your faith is sadly misplaced.

When the dramatic world changing event of the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath happens, it will come upon EVERYONE the whole world over. Luke 21:34-35

 

[Davy]

When the dramatic world changing event of the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath happens, it will come upon EVERYONE the whole world over. Luke 21:34-35

Actually true, as written, BUT... those who remain Faithful waiting on Jesus' future return WILL NOT BE HARMED by God's consuming fire on that final day of this world.

One of the examples how we are to understand that consuming fire upon the wicked is with the Daniel 3 Chapter about Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego being thrown into the hot fiery furnace, heated 7 times hotter than necessary. They were NOT harmed, but Nebuchadnezzar's servants that threw them in were disintegrated when they just got close to that furnace! In that hot furnace king Nebuchadnezzar saw a FORTH MAN like unto the Son of God! When Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego came out of that hot fiery furnace, their clothes did not even smell of smoke!

Thus those in Christ are NOT to fear that day of God's consuming fire. It is the weak-minded that are easily deceived in wanting to protect their fleshy lives because of false preaching about that day. None still alive on earth on that day shall escape it. And for those of us who remain faithful waiting on Christ, no problem, can do, for He is with us!

 

[Bob Carabbio]

So; do you not believe what the Prophets said?

Does your 'preparation' consist of a belief that you will be raptured to heaven before any tribulation?

Jesus said "Occupy till I come" my "Preparation" consists of taking HIS Yoke upon me, and learning of HIM. Of course since I've had 13 heart attacks, 21 stents, two open hearts, diabetes, and Congestive heart failure, chances are the end of the age will be something i'll watch on the OTHER side of the grass.

Oh, and "Eschatology" is just a religious term for "Rank Speculation".

 

[Keraz]

It should be obvious to everyone on earth with access to news information that some kind of cataclysmic event will probably occur in the near future. The lessons of history, over population, natural disasters and the preparedness of nations for war are all dire warning signs for us. But we who study the Bible can, and should know what the prophets tell us about the end of this age. Amos 3:7

The Book of Revelation tells us about a sequence of terrible events called the Seal, Trumpet and Bowl judgements and we note that the Sixth Seal is referred to as ‘the great Day of the Lord’s wrath’. Then the Seventh Seal is a time gap in heaven of ‘about a ½ hour’. This calculates to about 20 years of earth time, using the one day in heaven = 1000 years on earth formula. This will allow for all that must happen until the glorious Return of Jesus.


Therefore, the Sixth Seal is the event that the Lord intends to use in order to punish the nations, who at present conspire to annihilate Israel. Their attack and its consequences are prophesied in Psalms 83 and Micah 4:11-12. Prophecies that parallel the Sixth Seal are; Isaiah 34:4 ‘the sky rolled up like a scroll’, Isaiah 2:21 ‘hide in caves, etc’, Zeph.1:14 ‘The Day of the Lords wrath, a Day of doom and disaster’, then in Amos 1 – it says how the Lord will send fire to destroy the Ishmaelite peoples [those mentioned in Psalm 83] for all their crimes. There are over 70 verses in the Bible that speak of a forthcoming fire judgement and most of them state clearly that it is the Lord Himself who instigates this fire by using the power of the sun. This is so the secular survivors can carry on in their disbelief of God.

Joel 1:15 & 19 ‘The Day of the Lord comes, a mighty destruction from the Almighty and fire has consumed the trees and pastures.

Habakkuk 3:12 Furiously, You traverse the earth, in anger, You trample on the nations.

Isaiah 66:15-16 The Lord will judge with fire....He will test all mankind, many will be slain. Jeremiah 25:33Those who the Lord has killed in that Day, will lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other, they will fertilize the ground.


How He will do this, is told to us in Isaiah 30:26-30 where it is undeniably written about ‘a devouring fire, sent by the Lord Himself’, that is caused by: ‘the sun shining seven times stronger’. This can only be a Coronal Mass Ejection; something that the earth has experienced in the past and is expected to happen again, that can have worldwide devastating consequences - a seemingly natural occurrence that will maintain the hidden-ness of the Lord. With this scenario in mind, many other prophecies make sense, passages like Ezekiel 20:47-48, about a fire in the Land, kindled by the Lord, and 2 Peter 3:7 & 10, where Peter says: ‘The Day of the Lord will come like a thief, the Day the heavens disappear and flames bring all the earth to judgement’. Psalms 18:7-15


The four best passages that describe the Return of Jesus in His glory, to commence His Millennial reign and visible to all and NOT as a thief and unexpectedly, are; Zechariah 14:3-15, Matthew 24:27-31, Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 19:11-19.

We are told that on that Day; ‘the Great Day of the Sovereign Lord’, Rev. 16:14, there will be an earthquake and the sun and moon darkened, but only in Jerusalem and that Jesus will destroy the attacking army of the Anti-Christ by the Sword of His Word.

He then gathers His faithful people from around the earth and commences His Millennium reign. These four descriptions do not mention a worldwide fire judgement and as the world will have just experienced the Great Tribulation, for that judgement to occur at the same time as the Return, is simply not said to happen then, as well as being unnecessary and illogical.

Jesus said "Occupy till I come" my "Preparation" consists of taking HIS Yoke upon me, and learning of HIM. Of course since I've had 13 heart attacks, 21 stents, two open hearts, diabetes, and Congestive heart failure, chances are the end of the age will be something i'll watch on the OTHER side of the grass.

Oh, and "Eschatology" is just a religious term for "Rank Speculation".

So then you don't believe what the Prophets have told us. 2 Peter 1:19 says the Prophetic Word will illuminate our minds. God has told us what He intends to do, its all there, Why ignore it?

BTW, I am a year older than you. I praise God for my good health every day. I fully expect to see all the end times events and Jesus Returning in glory for His Millennium reign.

 

[Jay Ross]

So then you don't believe what the Prophets have told us. 2 Peter 1:19 says the Prophetic Word will illuminate our minds. God has told us what He intends to do, its all there, Why ignore it?

BTW, I am a year older than you. I praise God for my good health every day. I fully expect to see all the end times events and Jesus Returning in glory for His Millennium reign.

Age does not mean that you have a better understanding of the End Times. Going by the information that you have provided, you are around 10 years older than I am plus or minus up to two years. I might see the end of this present age as well as the start of the seventh age which has been called by man the Millennium Age, before I die, but I also know from the scriptures that I will not see all of the End Time Prophecies fulfilled before I die since there is still over 1,000 plus years to go before the Final Judgement of all of mankind will occur at the end of the next age.

Since I do not hold to your private interpretation of the ET prophecies, it is pointless to discuss or comment on your points of view of the End Times, as you will not consider that your understanding just might be wrong. (I might just add, that this is true for all of us that present commentary on the ET.) It is best to simple just ignore what you post, knowing that you have accepted hook line and sinker the context that the translators have presented as being the "truth" and the "end" of all understanding for the End Times.

Keraz, you keep posting your private understanding of the End Times as if you are the only one who has any understanding and that what you post must be the "truth" but i know from the scriptures that that is not so.

Oh well, I am sure that you give some of us a good giggle with what you post with such a straight face.

 

[ScottA]

In our Bibles the sun and the moon are mentioned many times. Some are allegorical, but most describe actual changes and differences to those visible objects.


The sun and the moon are established in the heavens, in the known area of space, which continues into infinity. Psalms 74:16, Jeremiah 31:35


The sun and the moon are also used metaphorically; Psalms 84:11, Micah 4:2 and Matthew 15:43 tell us about the sun of Righteousness. Revelation 12:1 tells about a ‘woman’ clothed with the sun, who represents faithful Israel, who are now; every true Christian person.


However: there are many Bible prophesies which plainly describe dramatic changes to the sun and the moon. Isaiah 30:26 says that the sun will shine with seven times its normal brightness and the moon will reflect it, as it does now, at about a seventh of the suns current strength. This event is what Luke 21:23, Revelation 6:12-17 and more than 100 other verses prophesy - the terrible Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath.


Then other Prophesies say how the sun will be darkened; Isaiah 13:10, Joel 2:10 & 3:15, and Amos 8:9 says this will happen at noon.

Zephaniah 2:4-6 also cites noontime for when the Middle East will be devastated by the Lord’s wrath. Hosea 4:3, Isaiah 10:23, Ezekiel 6:14, Joel 1:20

The next time the sun is mentioned, is in Revelation 16:8; the Fourth Trumpet.


Then; when Jesus Returns; the sun will again be darkened. Matthew 24:29, Isaiah 24:23

Finally; after the Millennium, there will no longer be a sun or moon for Eternity. Isaiah 60:19-20, Revelation 22:5


So what we need to do is to figure out the correct sequence of events and how they are caused. This will enable us to stand firm as dramatic things occur and then to stand before Jesus, having proved our faith in Him and our trust in His protection.

I am surprised you missed the appointing:

Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. Genesis 1:14-19
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This is a great revelation--that the sun is often representational of God, and the moon of Satan.

 

[Timtofly]

I am surprised you missed the appointing:

Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. Genesis 1:14-19
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This is a great revelation--that the sun is often representational of God, and the moon of Satan.

Satan was represented as a morning star, not the moon. No one has ever called the moon a morning star.

 

[ScottA]

Satan was represented as a morning star, not the moon. No one has ever called the moon a morning star.

That doesn't explain who "rules the night"--the darkness.

 

[Timtofly]

That doesn't explain who "rules the night"--the darkness.

Night is the time the body sleeps. Are you negating sleep because that is a darkness event? God is not the sun. The sun is not a representation of God. The sun is a very talented angel at the most, otherwise it is just a mechanical light that God has control over.

 

[Ziggy]

I like it when Joseph is telling his family how the sun and moon and the eleven stars will bow down to him.
And Jacob gets kinda grumpy.. are you saying that your mother and I and your brothers are going to bow at your feet?

Jacob knew...

What does the NT say about how kids will be with their parents in the last days?

So let's just say the sun and moon shall not give their light,
could this mean that the parents have no authority over their children?

Because this has become a real thing... imagine being called a terrorist for disagreeing with the schoolboard..

And as far as in eternity not needing sun and moon, God will be our parent and our light.

just sharing some thoughts..
hugs

 

[Keraz]

The Earth will Burn: 2 Peter 3:7, Isaiah 66:15-16, Zeph. 3:8, Isaiah 33:10-12

In ancient times, God promised to Noah that He would never again destroy the earth with a flood. Genesis 9:11 But we see in Deuteronomy 32:34-35 & 22, God has kept in His storehouse a judgement of fire prepared and ready for His Day of vengeance.

As we are once again ‘as in the days of Noah’, this terrible and devastating Day of fires, storms and earthquakes will soon strike the world, it will be the next prophesied event that will commence all that must happen, leading up to the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign.

Psalms 46:1-11 The Lord is our refuge and stronghold, He will help us in trouble, so we are not afraid when the earth is shaking and the mountains move; when the waves of the sea roar and the earth is quaking before the Lords majesty. Nations are in an uproar and kingdoms fall when the Lord thunders; the earth burns.

Come and see what the Lord has done, the desolation He has brought on the earth. He makes wars to cease throughout the world, He breaks the bow, snaps the spear and burns the chariots in the fire.

There is a river whose flow brings joy to the city of God, the holy Place of the Most High. The Lord is within her, she will not be overthrown and at the break of Day, He will come to her aid.

Be still and know that I am God, I will be exalted among the nations and revered throughout the world. The Lord Almighty is with us, the God of Jacob is our Rock.


This describes how the Lord will judge and punish the nations and ‘the desolation He will bring to the earth’. He will destroy all weapons of war and military forces will be neutralized or wiped out, but the Lord promises ‘to be a refuge’ to His people, when at the ‘break of day, the sea roars, the earth quakes and burns’. It is His great Day of vengeance and wrath, a massive explosion of the suns surface that will bring about all the vividly described effects. We are warned to be prepared for that terrible Day, but our only true protection will be our faith and trust in the Lord. Isaiah 30:15 & 18

Isaiah 9:18-19 The ungodly will be set ablaze, as a fire that consumes briars and thorns. It sets the forests on fire and all is wrapped in a pall of smoke.

The land is scorched by the fury of the Lord and the people will be fuel for the fire. Ezekiel 21:1-7, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Romans 1:18, Hebrews 10:27

Psalms 50:3-5 The Lord is coming and will not remain silent. A consuming fire runs ahead of Him and all around a great storm rages. He calls to the heavens above and the earth below, that He may judge His people.

Gather to Me, My loyal servants, those who have made a Covenant with Me by sacrifice. 1 Peter 3:17 Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.


This is not the Return of Jesus in His glory, that cannot happen until the Anti-Christ is revealed. 2 Thess. 2:3 It will be the Lord’s judgement and punishment of the nations, Psalms 110:5-6, Habakkuk 3:12, and all the world will be affected. It will be triggered by an attack on the State of Israel by an Islamic confederation. Psalms 83

The Lord’s people will be judged, Jeremiah 46:27-28, 1 Peter 4:17 and those who are His ‘loyal servants’, will be protected. Zechariah 9:15-16, Joel 3:16, Psalms 37:9, Zephaniah 2:3, 2 Thess.1:6-10