Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+?

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again WPM and Spiritual Israelite,

Op Note
Why will no Premil admit this major contradiction in their position? Because it shows that Premil conflicts with the biblical blueprint for God's plan for man and creation.

They won't admit it because of pride. I've lost track of how many of our arguments have gone unanswered by Premils at this point.

Agreed! It is actually a very good sign. The observer just needs to see what they are doing.

Here we go again, patting each other on the back to give you some encouragement to support your shallow arguments. Do you both feel insecure?

Premil teaches that there will be many fallen human beings in mortal bodies living on a millennial earth after the second coming who are distinguished from the immortals. They also argue many of these will be converted in their so-called future millennium.

I agree.

Surely Premils are going to have to create another catching away (“rapture”) for the "mortal believers" that get saved during their millennium in order to allow them to enter the glorified state and eternal bliss? After all, where does all the mortal saints in the millennium go when the earth flees away (Revelation 20:11) or passes away (Revelation 21:1-5)? Surely, they are not going to pass away when the earth passes away?

This is a very shallow assessment of what a normal Premil believes, perhaps especially my branch of this. I have responded to most aspects and this does not deserve any further comment.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Here we go again, patting each other on the back to give you some encouragement to support your shallow arguments. Do you both feel insecure?

I would say that you are the insecure one because you can't handle it to see others who disagree with you agree with each other. That comes across as very insecure on your part.

If our arguments are so shallow then why have you still not specifically addressed the arguments in the OP?

This is a very shallow assessment of what a normal Premil believes, perhaps especially my branch of this. I have responded to most aspects and this does not deserve any further comment.

Where did you do that? Where is the scripture which teaches a second glorification event after the one that occurs at the last trumpet (1 Cor 15:50-56)?

 

[WPM]

Greetings again WPM and Spiritual Israelite,



Here we go again, patting each other on the back to give you some encouragement to support your shallow arguments. Do you both feel insecure?

I agree.

This is a very shallow assessment of what a normal Premil believes, perhaps especially my branch of this. I have responded to most aspects and this does not deserve any further comment.

Kind regards
Trevor

Can you address the Op, and stop side-stepping the issue at hand?

 

[WPM]

Hey there ! I need people for the nations in the millennium don't you know , lol .

The great feast for the fowl of the air is indicated to be local (at the battle ) by the words " Come , gather together "

I do see breaking in Psalm 2:8 . Are you saying breaking is the same as ruling ?
Lets look again at Rev19:15 .

15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God

Is the sword out of his mouth not enough to eliminate the armies of the beast ?

Premils have to localize this to populate the future earth with billions of mortal rebels. Scripture proves they do not survive the coming of Christ. There are multiple Scriptures that Premils avoid to sustain their position.

The wicked, to a man, are immediately destroyed at Christ’s return, as in Noah and Lot’s day (Joel 2:1-3, Joel 2:10-11, Isaiah 13:6-12, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 3:12, Luke 17:27-30, I Thessalonians 5:2-4, II Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 2:5-9, Revelation 19:17-21 and Revelation 20:9).

 

[talons]

Premils have to localize this to populate the future earth with billions of mortal rebels. Scripture proves they do not survive the coming of Christ. There are multiple Scriptures that Premils avoid to sustain their position.

The wicked, to a man, are immediately destroyed at Christ’s return, as in Noah and Lot’s day (Joel 2:1-3, Joel 2:10-11, Isaiah 13:6-12, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 3:12, Luke 17:27-30, I Thessalonians 5:2-4, II Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 2:5-9, Revelation 19:17-21 and Revelation 20:9).

Location , location , location ! As they say .

Now about Rev 20:9 , that is AFTER the millennial reign as we see from the scripture so of course all are destroyed !

Revelation 20:7 Context​

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Location , location , location ! As they say .

Now about Rev 20:9 , that is AFTER the millennial reign as we see from the scripture so of course all are destroyed !

Revelation 20:7 Context​

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

But, the other scriptures he referenced all talk about all unbelievers being destroyed when Christ returns. So, you should then realize that He will return AFTER His millennial reign. He began to reign after His resurrection. He said after that "all power is given to me in heaven and earth" (Matthew 28:18). The thousand years is figurative and not literal.

 

[WPM]

Location , location , location ! As they say .

Now about Rev 20:9 , that is AFTER the millennial reign as we see from the scripture so of course all are destroyed !

Revelation 20:7 Context​

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20 is the last parallel of seven in Revelation. Once you get to the end of Satan season you have the coming of the Lord and the general resurrection/judgment.

 

[WPM]

Location , location , location ! As they say .

Now about Rev 20:9 , that is AFTER the millennial reign as we see from the scripture so of course all are destroyed !

Revelation 20:7 Context​

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

This is how Premils typically understand/interpret all Scripture - by their flawed opinion of one single lone symbolic passage in the most figurative and obscure book in the Bible, 3 chapters before the end. Yea right! This is horrible hermeneutics.

 

[talons]

This is how Premils typically understand/interpret all Scripture - by their flawed opinion of one single lone symbolic passage in the most figurative and obscure book in the Bible, 3 chapters before the end. Yea right! This is horrible hermeneutics.

If this "obscure book " were removed from the bible it would be to your liking , imagine that .

 

[WPM]

If this "obscure book " were removed from the bible it would be to your liking , imagine that .

More avoidance and false accusations.

Can you address my rebuttal above please?