Symbolism

[ScottA]

Show me what position of yours I rebutted. You have purposely it seems to avoid making a definitive position here.

I am not here acting out "my" position. I thought I made that clear. I did. Were you not paying attention?

But I have stated what is biblically true of symbols: God has used symbols intentionally, as example to simpler things, but also to seal all truth only to be unsealed by the Spirit--this is that flaming sword between God and men and this world.

 

[ScottA]

Biblical symbols are all defined by Scripture. All the "higher spiritual meaning" definitions of symbols belong to cult leaders and cult leaders wannabes.

You are so out in left field saying that! That is not biblical. Has God--who is spirit--not sealed His word with seven seals?

Not knowing this is a good example of your position, and of your actual biblical knowledge.

 

[ScottA]

You have said you received from god. So "God told me so is a very apt wording of your claims.

The problem is, you assumed that is what I meant, and apparently you were not open to any other possibility. Such a negative default position is a good example of how private interpretations can easily go wrong.

 

[ScottA]

So once again you claim to be caught up to teh third heaven just like Paul. Where is the fruit of your life?????? We can look at Scriptures and see the fruits of Pauls life. God doesn't give great revelations without great expectations and responsibilities. You have yet to even define one position you have received by higher meaning!

You asked, I answered and told the truth.

The fruits of Paul's life? You mean: "stripes above measure, in prisons more frequently, in deaths often. From the Jews five times I received forty stripes minus one. Three times I was beaten with rods; once I was stoned; three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I have been in the deep; in journeys often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils of my own countrymen, in perils of the Gentiles, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; in weariness and toil, in sleeplessness often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness— besides the other things, what comes upon me daily: my deep concern for all the churches?"

You looked at the scriptures? Good for you! Have you looked at what I have written? Do you know what is written of me?

I have my own list of stripes...and fruit. But you are one like those who through stones at Paul, not seeing what was actually occurring. But it's not just you, it's a pattern among God's people, and you fit right in.

As for me defining one position of symbols on this thread--that is not the point, but rather that the scriptures are full of symbols in general. They are innumerable. But, what, you want a challenge question...so you can try to prove me wrong (after saying all symbols are explained in scripture)? Okay: Is a "cubit" a symbol measurement? If yes, give the scripture. If no, I will reveal it to you.

 

[ScottA]

Well tell us what Divine Purpose you claim to have been given.

I have told you enough. What do the scriptures say the purpose of what I have said is?

 

[ScottA]

Once again, any "higher spiritual meaning" that contradicts the plain, clear, simple inspired Word of God handed down from the original writers fo0r the church is demonic.

And once again...you're imposing limits...based on your own understanding and interpretation.

 

[ScottA]

The good kind. So, are you afraid to answer my question? I guess you do claim to be the person Paul is referring to in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 then. But, you are not. Paul was talking about himself and that's why he talked about not wanting to boast. He didn't explicitly say that it was him because of his desire to not come across as boasting.


Not physically, but, as God, He was. Are you seriously comparing yourself to Jesus? You really need to humble yourself.


Your mind definitely needs some serious renewing.

You say "the good kind (of logic)" after using worldly logic to argue and mock a godly matter. Not "good." But I was being facetious, hoping you would see the error of your logic. But you didn't, you doubled down. Typical.

Based on that, you deserve no further explanation.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You say "the good kind (of logic)" after using worldly logic to argue and mock a godly matter. Not "good."

LOL. You crack me up with your nonsense.

But I was being facetious, hoping you would see the error of your logic. But you didn't, you doubled down. Typical.

You are completely incapable of teaching me anything because of the many errors in your false beliefs.

Based on that, you deserve no further explanation.

You are incapable of explaining anything in a way that anyone else can understand because you think you are more spiritual than everyone and above everyone. You clearly don't have the gift of teaching since you are unable to even present your beliefs in a way that anyone can understand.

You are easily the most delusional person on this entire forum, thinking you are the person Paul wrote about in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 when anyone with discernment can see that Paul was talking about himself while making an effort to not boast about his experience.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So once again you claim to be caught up to teh third heaven just like Paul.

It's even worse than that. He is claiming to be the person that Paul was talking about that was caught up to the third heaven. He can't even discern that Paul was talking about himself being caught up to the third heaven. This guy's level of delusion is off the charts.

 

[ScottA]

LOL. You crack me up with your nonsense.


You are completely incapable of teaching me anything because of the many errors in your false beliefs.


You are incapable of explaining anything in a way that anyone else can understand because you think you are more spiritual than everyone and above everyone. You clearly don't have the gift of teaching since you are unable to even present your beliefs in a way that anyone can understand.

You are easily the most delusional person on this entire forum, thinking you are the person Paul wrote about in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 when anyone with discernment can see that Paul was talking about himself while making an effort to not boast about his experience.

That will all be wrong when you pass. Is that clear enough? (rhetorical). There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So be it.

I told you so.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That will all be wrong when you pass. Is that clear enough? (rhetorical). There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So be it.

I told you so.

You have stepped over the line with this one, buddy. May God have mercy on your soul for condemning me to the lake of fire, which is where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth by those who are not saved (Matthew 13:40-43, Matthew 13:47-50, etc.). Judge not or you will be judged with the same measure that you are judging me.

 

[ScottA]

You have stepped over the line with this one, buddy. May God have mercy on your soul for condemning me to the lake of fire, which is where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth by those who are not saved (Matthew 13:40-43, Matthew 13:47-50, etc.). Judge not or you will be judged with the same measure that you are judging me.

Weeping and gnashing of teeth is not exclusively for those condemned, but also for those whose conduct is akin to those who are:

• Matthew 24:51
  and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Although you accuse me of judging, it is not I who judge, but He who sent me, whose words I have apply quoted. Nor have I condemned you. Do you not know the meaning of "cut him in two?"

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Weeping and gnashing of teeth is not exclusively for those condemned, but also for those whose conduct is akin to those who are:

• Matthew 24:51
  and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

That verse is talking about those who are condemned as well. You obviously have no discernment if you can't see that.

Although you accuse me of judging, it is not I who judge, but He who sent me, whose words I have apply quoted. Nor have I condemned you. Do you not know the meaning of "cut him in two?"

If you think Matthew 24:51 describes someone who will inherit eternal life in the kingdom of God, you are sadly mistaken. To be appointed your portion with the hypocrites where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth means you will be cast into the lake of fire, as Jesus indicated elsewhere. No believers will be weeping and gnashing their teeth.

 

[ScottA]

That verse is talking about those who are condemned as well. You obviously have no discernment if you can't see that.

Projection--that is what you did--not me. You lumped the passages all together, conveniently missing the finer detail.

 

[ScottA]

If you think Matthew 24:51 describes someone who will inherit eternal life in the kingdom of God, you are sadly mistaken. To be appointed your portion with the hypocrites where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth means you will be cast into the lake of fire, as Jesus indicated elsewhere. No believers will be weeping and gnashing their teeth.

You are one-third wrong, and two thirds correct.

I will interpret: The other passages that you refer to are about those condemned to the lake of fire, they are one third. The other two thirds are mentioned in Matthew 24:51, the one third condemned to the lake of fire, but the other third only suffers condemnation for half (as if cut in two). Your are of that latter one third, half condemned with Satan during this short time, and half saved from it. Each third comes to weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You have made so many errors I will have to take them one at a time. I'm not going to run them all together as you have just done--because what I have posted as scripture, given by God, "here a little, there a little", is "salad" to you instead of words by the same Spirit "precept upon precept", that you are not putting together. So...one at a time it is.

Not word salad, but continuity of words given by the same Spirit that all were intended to come together in "all truth." Which you should have expected to occur during these times.

Scripture I follow, your words are a mess.

That is correct, and yet symbols with meaning only rightfully discerned by the same Spirit are God's doing, intentional. Why would anyone (like yourself) take it upon themself to dictate for God and say what is and isn't true based on their own understanding? To do so--that is what is demonic and must be resisted. And here you are presuming to dictate and set limitations by your own understanding of the scriptures.

And those meanings are found in Scripture and not some "revelation" given to you or Jim JOnes or David Koresh. No I don't dictate, especially not by your own understanding.

But you are indeed taking things upon yourself, if you are interpreting or basing things on your own understanding.

Otherwise, there is nothing wrong with what you said. Which was and is the reason for this thread: If your beliefs are based on your own understanding, it is likely wrong.

We all base on our understanding as we have learned rom god. You are no different. And how can you even accuse me of this as you have not even sought any understanding of what I know of gods Word! You are just flinging manure against a wall to see what may stick.

You jumped in to impose your own limit on "higher spiritual meaning", and have been defending that position ever since. And it's not the first time you have taken such a position. And you make it personal.

Meanwhile, I have stated my own position--which is not to have a position, but to declare the position of Him who sent me. I think it's good of you to question. But you don't stop there, you make claims that what I have said is not true, or of my own understanding. But your no "higher spiritual meaning" rule--I would say self-imposed rule, but you seem to want to impose it on everyone--comes out every time...and I have explained many times. But you never have any actual argument, except to limit spiritual understanding to what you understand of scripture yourself. That's no argument--that is a position of continually attempting to stifle the Spirit.

Well if your "higher spiritual meaning" contradicts or alters Scripture, then it is not God who has sent you. NO matter how much you wish to accuse without evidence and protest your stance.

And if by my "higher spiritual meaning" you mean I check all things against the Word of God?, then yes I demand all who call on Jesus as Savior to walk that way, for that is what god has demanded. But once again you know nothing of what I teach or believe because you are busy accussing without learning and making assumptions without asking.,

I have repeatedly said any "higher spiritual meaning" that would contradict the plain Word of God is false and demonic. I have not accussed you of anything as of yet for you have not written a position you hold or as you say hod "because of the one who sent me". So I cannot agree or condemn what you write, for you have steadfastly stated any doctrine or opinion you have received as higher spiritual meaning. You just flap your gums on a generic but true astatement I make. and you have not even confirmed or denied what I have said is true or not.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Scripture imposes limits to be followed ("You follow Me" John 21:22). The only exception comes by being sent, or by specific spiritual gifts. There is no general rule to be imposed on one another.

The exceptions are personal commands god gives to an individual to obey His will. These exceptions will NEVER contradict Scripture, but specify the command to go to a specific person and a specific place or orayer time, church etc.

Another lie. I am not going to go back and quote you (I already have quoted you). But your every post is full of "you" this, "you" that.

No, yours is the lie. You have not declared one "verse" you have from higher spiritual meaning." and you know what I am asking. YOu calim YOU received it so there is no error in asking what you received. And yopu know that also. You are intentioanlly being obtuse.

 

[ScottA]

Scripture I follow, your words are a mess.

No, the music of the ages orchestrated in "all truth" is rather what was intended all along. Pure. You only find it a mess because you have become accustom to "here a little, there a little" and as it is within this worldly frame. The actual mess, is the world. And thus, you show yourself to be like "those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

 

[ScottA]

And those meanings are found in Scripture and not some "revelation" given to you or Jim JOnes or David Koresh. No I don't dictate, especially not by your own understanding.

You assume to be Judge--but are wrong even in principle--for "revelation" is what the scriptures are all about--"the revelation of Jesus Christ." Of which you "hinder" with your rhetoric.

 

[ScottA]

We all base on our understanding as we have learned rom god. You are no different. And how can you even accuse me of this as you have not even sought any understanding of what I know of gods Word! You are just flinging manure against a wall to see what may stick.

"We all have learned from God"--like Moses and the prophets of old, like John the Baptist, the twelve apostles, and Paul? Listen to you! You obviously know nothing about how knowledge is given from God to His people. Many thought His words spoke by those of His special choosing, were like "manure against a wall also"--and were wrong also.

I feel sorry for you.