No you haven’t, unless your view has no explanation of why the number 144,000 is symbolic.
He did. You did not like the answer.
Can you explain why the seven eyes of the lamb is symbolic? Can you explain why the woman stands over the moon, clothed with the sun, and crown of twelve stars? Can you explain why the number seven for seven candlesticks? Why the number two for two witnesses?
The answer is you can is IF you allow God's Word to interpret itself. BEcause you kept asking us why the number 144,000 is symbolic is because you refuse to recognize it as symbolic when it actually applies to the great multitudes. This is how God assigned the number to His People. Sadly, you are brainwashed to believe that the 144,000 and the great multitudes are two separate group of people thinking the 144,000 must be literal. Huh?!
It appears to me that you know if you give the reason 144,000 is symbolic then you also give the reason it can be numbered by man, hence your avoiding questions about how you arrived at your conclusion of the Church being the 144,000.
WE can understand the number 144,000 as symbolic referring to the great multitudes. The root numbers of 144,000 arequite obviously the number 10 and 12. The number 10 and it's multiples (100, 1000, etc) are the numbers of fullness. As demonstrated in the 10 virgins, or the 100 sheep with one going astray, or the 1000 years being as one day. They all signify the fullness of whatever is in view. And the number 12 is illustrative of the Congregation of the Lord, as seen in the Old Covenant 12 tribes of Israel, or the New Covenant 12 Apostles. 1000 times 12 is 12,000. That is the fulness of those children of God who are sealed. And of course, 12,000 times each tribe is 144,000. The perfect measured fulness of the house of God from all tribes, as also illustrated in the perfect City of Jerusalem. As it is written in Revelation 21 if you have spiritual ears to hear:
Rev 21:15-17
(15) And he that talked with me had a
golden reed to measure the city, and the
gates thereof, and the
wall thereof.
(16) And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and
he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The
length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
(17) And he measured the
wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
The number 144,000 is 12000 times the 12 tribes, signifying the measured congregation of the Lord's Chosen. 12 is the number of the Church, both seen in the Old and New Covenant. And each tribe here has "exactly" 12,000 sealed, which is yet another indication of the spiritual signification, as also seen in the City of God.
Rev 21:12-17
(12) And had a wall great and high, and had
twelve gates, and at the
gates twelve angels, and names written thereon,
which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
(13) On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
(14) And the
wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the
names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
(15) And he that talked with me had a
golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
(16) And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
(17) And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
The City of God is not 12,000 furlongs by coincidence any more than each tribe has 12,000 sealed by coincidence. The wall is not 144,000 cubits by coincidence any more than those sealed of Israel are 144,000. These numbers are God ordained to signify the full measure of the Israel of God. This liberal use of the number 12 in Revelation illustrates this. Whether the 12 Apostles, the 12 tribes, the tree of life which bare 12 manner of fruit, the 12 gates, the 12 pearls, the 12 foundations, etc., these are spiritual significations of the fullness, for, and of, the body of believers. Not a literal city Jerusalem in the Middle East, but a Spiritual Jerusalem in Israel which is Christ.
Selah!
I asked how you came to the conclusion that the Church is the 144,000 without counting and your response is that I made a false accusation and I need to repent? I asked this question because I can’t see any other way of arriving at that conclusion but all you have to do is give an explanation to prove I’m not comprehending your view on this and I’ll concede.
All I am saying is that you lack spiritual discernment on numbers in Revelation. These are NOT to be understood literally but symbolically pointing to something true.