David in NJ
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He could be a Jew or of Ishmael/Abrahams son thru Hagar or a Syrian or Gentilian
Daniel = read Daniel and pray for understanding
The 3 Minor Feasts.
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Daniel = read Daniel and pray for understanding
The Light
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ABSOLUTELY NOT brother.
The great tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal, just as scripture clearly shows.
The 7 trumpets and the 7 vials are the wrath of God which is the 7th seal.
The great tribulation ends and then Jesus returns......at the 6th seal
Jesus returns at the 6th seal........FACT. There is a harvest......FACT. Here is the 6th seal harvest........THEN WRATH BEGINS.
Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
No brother. This is not scriptural.
The great tribulation is when the beast is killing Jews many of which are Christians. The 7th seal wrath of God is when God takes vengeance on an unbelieving world.
This is the Day of the Lord.
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David in NJ
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Well, that is not necessarily true BUT he certainly could be either Jew or Gentile or of Ishmael
Daniel: 11:36-39
“Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain.
The Light
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Scripture clearly shows that the great tribulation is not 1260 days long.
The great tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal.
The beast is in power in the 7th seal wrath of God
The great tribulation is not the wrath of God.
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David in NJ
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What begins the great tribulation ?
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
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21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
So when will the abomination of desolation be removed ? In the sixth seal ? Or by Jesus, the day that He returns ?
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Jesus was a Jew. The Anitchrist will also be a Jew. The Jews (Judaism) are looking for their King of Israel messiah - who must be a Jew. The Jews (Judaism) will mistakenly think the Antichrist is their messiah.
David in NJ
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"saints" include BOTH Jew an dGentile in CHRIST
The Jews want "Peace and Safety" MORE then they want the Messiah
Therefore, whoever, Jew or Gentile, that grants them the "peace and safety" they desire, can be heralded as the Messiah.
Especially if Trump/whoever establishes the building of a new Temple in Jerusalem
The Light
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Sorry, that does not fit the bill.
For instance, he could be a Muslim from the United States. The God of his fathers is God. His god is Allah.
The Light
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That means nothing. The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Scriptural FACT.
So the abomination of desolation being removed means nothing ? The abomination of desolation statue image of the beast-king to be set up on the temple mount will not long after being set up will come to life and speak as Satan indwells it.
And that statue image will not be destroyed until the day that Jesus's returns.
I use the term "pre-trib" all the time to describe the rapture before the tribulation position. What's wrong with that?
The Light
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The AOD begins the great tribulation.
The great tribulation is over at the coming of Jesus for a harvest at the 6th seal. This is the second harvest. All return to heaven for the marriage supper.
That statue has nothing to do with when the great tribulation is over.
The great tribulation is NOT the wrath of God. The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. The wrath of God is the trumpets and vials of the 7th seal.
The term "pre-trb" by its originators implies pre-70th week. The problem is not all of the 70th week is tribulation. Much of the first half will be a false messianic age of the unsaved world saying "peace and safety".
So instead of saying "pre-trib", "mid-trib", "post-trib" - say instead, "pre-70th week", " mid-70th week", "post-70th week". That way there will be no misunderstanding.
If a person says they believe in a "pre-70th week" rapture, there is no question as to what that person believes regarding the rapture timing.
Harvest ? What harvest ? What in the text of the sixth seal mentions or implies a harvest ?
Revelation 6:
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
The great tribulation is not just the wrath of God taking place, but also Satan's wrath knowing that he has but a short time left.
The trumpets and vials take place during the great tribulation.
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