the 4 horsemen--ancient or now?

[TheBibleProphecy]

The Bible says the Robbers of your people will try to make the prophecy vision come true but they will fall Daniel 11:14 . The Robbers are no doubt the romans/ holy roman empire . they stole the holy bible from the Jews in 70 AD which all spoke Arabic and I'm sure the the holy bible was written in the Arabic language to begin with. But the Jews 2000 years ago were light skinned negros.

They are trying to fulfil bible prophecy now, to me it looks like BUsh jr was the 1st horseman who started War obama was the 2nd horseman with a sharp 2 edge sword meaning he has a slick mouth, trump is the 3rd horseman

 

[Timtofly]

The Bible says the Robbers of your people will try to make the prophecy vision come true but they will fall Daniel 11:14 . The Robbers are no doubt the romans/ holy roman empire . they stole the holy bible from the Jews in 70 AD which all spoke Arabic and I'm sure the the holy bible was written in the Arabic language to begin with. But the Jews 2000 years ago were light skinned negros.

They are trying to fulfil bible prophecy now, to me it looks like BUsh jr was the 1st horseman who started War obama was the 2nd horseman with a sharp 2 edge sword meaning he has a slick mouth, trump is the 3rd horseman

Arabic was not the language of the Hebrews. Classical Arabic was not even around in 70AD. Aramaic is not the same as Arabic.

Do you mean to say that a lot of Africans intermarried with Semitic middle Easterners? The Hebrew people were from Mesopotamia and they were not Kushites.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Might want to look at Golitsyn's New Lies For Old (1984). He was an ex-KGB colonel that defected to the U.S. in the early 1960s. He revealed the Soviet's long range strategy against the West, and predicted in the 3rd final phase, the Russians would allow the Berlin Wall to come down. He said the Soviet goal was a one socialist Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals. That's their ultimate plan for the EU.

See articles by journalist Jerome Corsi who discovered hidden operations in the U.S. government with staffed departments working towards an American version of the EU. He said the new currency, the Amero, was already in the works too.

See writings of the Tri-lateral Commission, a globalist think tank started by Rockefeller, and first staffed with Jimmy Carter and Zbigniew Brzezinski.

I don't believe its a hidden conspiracy, but rather, integrated groups who share a common philosophy. In the East I believe its a dominant nationalism. In the West its global elitism. It is based on socialism, because the non-Christian mind-set denies that men are good unless they are controlled, politically, by big government.

A united currency may fit the Western model. I don't know that it does in Asia. We'll see.

 

[Davy]

I don't believe its a hidden conspiracy, but rather, integrated groups who share a common philosophy. In the East I believe its a dominant nationalism. In the West its global elitism. It is based on socialism, because the non-Christian mind-set denies that men are good unless they are controlled, politically, by big government.

A united currency may fit the Western model. I don't know that it does in Asia. We'll see.

Well, there is a conspiracy, as that word simply means a joining of one or more to overthrow the status quo, cause revolution. And revolution is what the Communist-Socialists do. The grand conspiracy was first exposed in 17th century British Mason John Robison's book Proofs Of A Conspiracy (1789) where he documented the plan of the Bavarian Illuminati which was started by an orthodox Jew professor of law named Adam Weishaupt. Georgetown history professor Carrol Quigley (Bill Clinton's history teacher) also documented the conspiracy in his 1960's book Tragedy and Hope, and even spilled the beans about the American "establishment" connection with the British socialist plan for a one-world government, and their working 'with' Communism. Both of those works are easy to find.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Well, there is a conspiracy, as that word simply means a joining of one or more to overthrow the status quo, cause revolution. And revolution is what the Communist-Socialists do. The grand conspiracy was first exposed in 17th century British Mason John Robison's book Proofs Of A Conspiracy (1789) where he documented the plan of the Bavarian Illuminati which was started by an orthodox Jew professor of law named Adam Weishaupt. Georgetown history professor Carrol Quigley (Bill Clinton's history teacher) also documented the conspiracy in his 1960's book Tragedy and Hope, and even spilled the beans about the American "establishment" connection with the British socialist plan for a one-world government, and their working 'with' Communism. Both of those works are easy to find.

Yes, it depends on how we define a "conspiracy." There's no doubt that the Soviet Union, when it was in power, "conspired" to bring out a world revolution. Obviously, it didn't completely succeed, although we can see that in erecting an "Iron Curtain" they did succeed to some degree.

There is general consensus among leaders of the world that they need to either unite or fight. There is no world-wide conspiracy from East to West, in the sense that the leaders of Asia, Europe, and America are in secret meetings determining a common destiny. In my view, Satan is divided, as much as he may want to unify the world under his control.

 

[Davy]

Yes, it depends on how we define a "conspiracy." There's no doubt that the Soviet Union, when it was in power, "conspired" to bring out a world revolution. Obviously, it didn't completely succeed, although we can see that in erecting an "Iron Curtain" they did succeed to some degree.

There is general consensus among leaders of the world that they need to either unite or fight. There is no world-wide conspiracy from East to West, in the sense that the leaders of Asia, Europe, and America are in secret meetings determining a common destiny. In my view, Satan is divided, as much as he may want to unify the world under his control.

The Soviet Union ended in name only. Russia today is still... ruled by the Communist Party in Moscow. Same with Red China. If you'd read Golitsyn's book you'd understand why this is, because it is all a feign, a ho-ax, a long-range disinformation strategy that was planned decades ago (1958 NEP). If you look at the 45 strategic points the Soviets developed for take over of the West in 1958 which ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen listed in his book The Naked Communist, you'd see how the Communists have still been working their long-range plan against us all along. Our Western leaders are sleeping, and I mean the good ones. The rest of them are probably a part of the Communist takeover through the U.N.

 

[Randy Kluth]

The Soviet Union ended in name only. Russia today is still... ruled by the Communist Party in Moscow. Same with Red China. If you'd read Golitsyn's book you'd understand why this is, because it is all a feign, a ho-ax, a long-range disinformation strategy that was planned decades ago (1958 NEP). If you look at the 45 strategic points the Soviets developed for take over of the West in 1958 which ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen listed in his book The Naked Communist, you'd see how the Communists have still been working their long-range plan against us all along. Our Western leaders are sleeping, and I mean the good ones. The rest of them are probably a part of the Communist takeover through the U.N.

I have no doubt Communist countries maintain their original vision of causing the Communist revolution to spread around the world, favoring their own nationality. Every nation wants to be dominant.

What I was referring to was the original vision of Communism, which was to bring about revolution on behalf of workers around the whole world. Russian incorporated satellite countries into their "empire," which is what the Iron Curtain was. There were other Communist countries elsewhere around the world, but they found, as in Cuba, their influence was limited.

Communist countries are now in the business of consolidating their own power base, instead of spreading revolution, on behalf of workers, around the world. It is more nationalistic than ideological. Russia is still Russia, and it misses its imperial status. But realistically, the best Russia can hope for is just continuing to be a major player among the dominant powers on earth.

I do agree with you that Western leaders are "sleeping," and not seeing the danger that exists. For example Germany continues its relations with Russia, instead of looking more towards the US. Germany is fixed on the Nord Stream natural gas pipeline from Russia. That completely ignores what Russia has done in the Ukraine.

But Europe is probably moving more towards union anyway. The great image of Nebuchadnezzar had two legs and two feet of the 4th empire, indicating that Antichrist will unite the two branches of the old Roman Empire, East and West. This will include Eastern Europe as well as Western Europe, in my opinion.

So this isn't "sleeping" so much as intentional decision-making. Europe *wants* to move Eastward, and is already half way to Communism, having already turned towards a form of Socialism.

 

[Davy]

I have no doubt Communist countries maintain their original vision of causing the Communist revolution to spread around the world, favoring their own nationality. Every nation wants to be dominant.

What I was referring to was the original vision of Communism, which was to bring about revolution on behalf of workers around the whole world. Russian incorporated satellite countries into their "empire," which is what the Iron Curtain was. There were other Communist countries elsewhere around the world, but they found, as in Cuba, their influence was limited.

Communist countries are now in the business of consolidating their own power base, instead of spreading revolution, on behalf of workers, around the world. It is more nationalistic than ideological. Russia is still Russia, and it misses its imperial status. But realistically, the best Russia can hope for is just continuing to be a major player among the dominant powers on earth.

I do agree with you that Western leaders are "sleeping," and not seeing the danger that exists. For example Germany continues its relations with Russia, instead of looking more towards the US. Germany is fixed on the Nord Stream natural gas pipeline from Russia. That completely ignores what Russia has done in the Ukraine.

But Europe is probably moving more towards union anyway. The great image of Nebuchadnezzar had two legs and two feet of the 4th empire, indicating that Antichrist will unite the two branches of the old Roman Empire, East and West. This will include Eastern Europe as well as Western Europe, in my opinion.

So this isn't "sleeping" so much as intentional decision-making. Europe *wants* to move Eastward, and is already half way to Communism, having already turned towards a form of Socialism.

Well, there's popular secular history about Communism, and then there's the secret records of the "establishment" which Carrol Quigley was allowed to study for 2 years as he said in his book Tragedy and Hope, which the "establishment" (his term) knocked out of print in the '60's, and Quigley had to sue his publishers to find out why they stopped printing it. He said they destroyed the printing plates too.

Before WWII ended, the big 3 got together decided how to divy up Europe. The satellite countries were agreed upon by both east and west to suffer as Buffer states between the Communists and the free nations. This is why Patton was so angry when our U.S. Army was slowed down going into Germany near Berlin. It was because it was already agreed to let the Soviets have all those eastern European nations that were once Christian nations, some of them with Christian kings and queens. Much of this history is taught and made to look like coincidence, but it is not.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Well, there's popular secular history about Communism, and then there's the secret records of the "establishment" which Carrol Quigley was allowed to study for 2 years as he said in his book Tragedy and Hope, which the "establishment" (his term) knocked out of print in the '60's, and Quigley had to sue his publishers to find out why they stopped printing it. He said they destroyed the printing plates too.

Before WWII ended, the big 3 got together decided how to divy up Europe. The satellite countries were agreed upon by both east and west to suffer as Buffer states between the Communists and the free nations. This is why Patton was so angry when our U.S. Army was slowed down going into Germany near Berlin. It was because it was already agreed to let the Soviets have all those eastern European nations that were once Christian nations, some of them with Christian kings and queens. Much of this history is taught and made to look like coincidence, but it is not.

I don't believe any of this is coincidence. I agree--the superpowers got together and decided what the map should be to prevent a Cold War, which happened anyway. Communism and Christianity doesn't mix. Once Russia was Christian, but had become, through Communism, an atheistic dictatorship.

I'm not sure what your point is, except to say that some people had it figured out in advance? I'm just a little more cautious about what particular theory I sign onto. But generally, I don't think we're far apart.

 

[Davy]

I don't believe any of this is coincidence. I agree--the superpowers got together and decided what the map should be to prevent a Cold War, which happened anyway. Communism and Christianity doesn't mix. Once Russia was Christian, but had become, through Communism, an atheistic dictatorship.

I'm not sure what your point is, except to say that some people had it figured out in advance? I'm just a little more cautious about what particular theory I sign onto. But generally, I don't think we're far apart.

Well, that is the point, that 'certain' individuals already had the 'grand conspiracy' figured out, and have been working it for centuries, even long before Communism became just one of its tools. Ultimately, it has been the "synagogue of Satan" behind it all. Then some might ask, "Well who is the 'synagogue of Satan' which Lord Jesus mentioned?" Some think it just means the blind Pharisee Jews and scribes that rejected our Lord Jesus and had Him crucified. No, it's about the "mystery of iniquity" which goes all the back to the Canaanites which crept in among Israel because they were not able to destroy the Canaanites which God had commanded per Judges 2 & 3. So God left them among Israel to test Israel with, to see if Israel would follow Him or not. This matter still exists today and won't be cleansed of God's people until our Lord Jesus returns (see last verses of Zechariah 14).