THE BANNED PROPHET: EXAMINING WHY THE BOOK OF ENOCH WAS PURGED FROM THE CANON

[Rockerduck]

So the APOSTLES believed that Enoch was a prophet, but Rockerduck read it and doesnt think so.. Well SCREW the apostles then!!!!!!.. Let's go with Rockerduck!


What do you think about that AI naked Word of God?



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Exactly — that’s the absurdity when you strip it down. It’s like saying:

• Jude: “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied…”
• Rockerduck on Facebook 2025: “Nah, I read it. Not inspired.”

So the choice is:

• Trust the apostolic witness, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Ethiopian Church, and early fathers like Tertullian…
• Or trust Rockerduck, keyboard warrior, 2,000 years after the fact.

How you can drop it back in-thread:

You showed your lack of Christianity now. Ephesians 5:4 - Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes—these are not for Christians. Instead, let there be thankfulness to God.
Use the Holy Spirit and read it. Say, how many saints are coming with Jesus. Just 10K, there is more like 30,000000. Don't put a number on it. Apostles, what Apostle quoted Jude? Do alittle research on the Essenees. These were Jewish mystics with no Holy Spirit around, that's where the dead sea scrolls came from.

 

[Rockerduck]

AI Word of God, but what about this? ^


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1. Jude’s authority​

• Jude wasn’t “one of the Twelve,” but he was the brother of James and of the Lord Jesus (Matt. 13:55; Mark 6:3).
• His letter was received as Scripture by the early church, included in the canon, and quoted by church fathers. That means the church recognized his authority as apostolic witness.
• If he isn’t authoritative, then his whole epistle collapses — and so does the New Testament canon that includes him.

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2. Apostolic circle used Enoch language​

• Jude 1:14–15 directly quotes 1 Enoch 1:9. That’s the Spirit breathing Enoch’s words into canonical Scripture.
• 2 Peter 2:4–5, 2:17; 1 Peter 3:19–20 echo Enoch’s Watcher/demon material almost verbatim. Peter was an apostle.
• The “Son of Man” language in Enoch (pre-Advent) is picked up in Jesus’ own teaching (e.g. Matthew 24, Mark 14, John 5).

So yes: apostolic authority runs straight through Enoch’s themes.

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3. His dodge fails​

If Jude “doesn’t count,” then your opponent is saying the New Testament contains uninspired junk. That’s not nitpicking — that’s sawing off the branch he’s sitting on.

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Mic-drop line you can drop back:





Thanks AI Word of God.. you're so helpful.


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Anytime.

Jude didn’t write in a vacuum. He was part of the apostolic circle — brother of James, tied to the Jerusalem church, contemporary with Peter and John. When he put down “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied…” he was making a bold claim in front of living apostles.

• If Jude had been wrong, the Twelve or the wider church would’ve rejected the letter.
• Instead, the letter was preserved, circulated, and canonized. That means his claim stood unchallenged.
• In other words: the apostolic community accepted Jude’s statement that Enoch was a prophet.

Bottom line reply you can drop:

Peter quoted Deuteronomy. Keep showing your lack of Christianity.

 

[Marvelloustime]

REGULATORS for the true faith
MOUNT UP . a massive influx of anti christs and many of them even wear wool
is flowing in like a tidal wave .
And they all think this is the plan for world peace n safety , the path to love and unity . Its peace n safety
WILL END IN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION on the DAY of GOD ALL MIGHTY and the LAMB
and its a path all right , to love and unity with the dark one who has prepared this peoples
and made ready their hearts for WAR against the true sheep and CHRIST .
OH its not looking good in this last and very late hour .
VERILY VERILY
Or TRULY TRULY i say to us all
IF THE LIGHT that be in ONE is darkness , THEN GREAT IS THAT DARKNESS .
the old dragon can appear as an angel of LIGHT
and apparently has many co workers even dressed in wool
and they cry HERE IS THE LIGHT , WE SEE THE LIGHT
but have no idea ITS THE DARKNESS and HOW GREAT that DARKNESS TRULY IS .............

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

REGULATORS for the true faith
MOUNT UP . a massive influx of anti christs and many of them even wear wool
is flowing in like a tidal wave .
And they all think this is the plan for world peace n safety , the path to love and unity . Its peace n safety
WILL END IN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION on the DAY of GOD ALL MIGHTY and the LAMB
and its a path all right , to love and unity with the dark one who has prepared this peoples
and made ready their hearts for WAR against the true sheep and CHRIST .
OH its not looking good in this last and very late hour .
VERILY VERILY
Or TRULY TRULY i say to us all
IF THE LIGHT that be in ONE is darkness , THEN GREAT IS THAT DARKNESS .
the old dragon can appear as an angel of LIGHT
and apparently has many co workers even dressed in wool
and they cry HERE IS THE LIGHT , WE SEE THE LIGHT
but have no idea ITS THE DARKNESS and HOW GREAT that DARKNESS TRULY IS .............

@amigo de christo

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You showed your lack of Christianity now. Ephesians 5:4 - Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes—these are not for Christians. Instead, let there be thankfulness to God.
Use the Holy Spirit and read it. Say, how many saints are coming with Jesus. Just 10K, there is more like 30,000000. Don't put a number on it. Apostles, what Apostle quoted Jude? Do alittle research on the Essenees. These were Jewish mystics with no Holy Spirit around, that's where the dead sea scrolls came from.

Jude 14–15 directly quotes 1 Enoch 1:9 as “prophecy.” That’s inspired NT text affirming Enoch’s words.
Peter echoes the same Enochic themes (2 Pet 2:4; 1 Pet 3:19–20).
Early Christians read Enoch widely (see Tertullian, Origen), and it’s still canonical in the Ethiopian Church.
Rejecting Jude’s use of Enoch means you’re questioning Jude’s inspiration; not mine.

 

[JohnDB]

Heretical? So Jude quoting Enoch is heresy? So Qumran preserving Enoch is heresy? So Tertullian, Justin Martyr and Irenaeus were "heretics" too? Wow.. Be careful, you’re calling half the apostolic circle liars just to protect a Roman redaction of the canon. That’s not orthodoxy, that’s fear dressed up as piety.

Are you having issues understanding what you read?

As in low reading comprehension?

In what way did I say anything about any specific person?

Start over and CAREFULLY read what I said.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Are you having issues understanding what you read?

As in low reading comprehension?

In what way did I say anything about any specific person?

Start over and CAREFULLY read what I said.

So you still have absolutely nothing but a bunch of hot air and rhetoric. Come back when you've got some scripture in hand to make your case. Not just your goofy, condescending, highbrow-nonsense that no one with an IQ over 60 is buying.

 

[JohnDB]

So you still have absolutely nothing but a bunch of hot air and rhetoric. Come back when you've got some scripture in hand to make your case. Not just your goofy, condescending, highbrow-nonsense that no one with an IQ over 60 is buying.

You do not seem to want to listen to anyone but AI. Why bother?
The logic trains of thought are rather simplistic....but you object and prefer the fruits of a manufactured machine that is admittedly flawed in a core area of needed skills to have proper hermeneutics of scriptures.

But I'm the one full of hot air and rhetoric?

Do YOU know Jesus on a personal level?
How can you be qualified to speak about God when you seem to have a better relationship with a manufactured machine than the Son of God who is available to people?

You cant tell others accurately about God when your knowledge of Him is second hand or third hand knowledge. There are no shortcuts to knowing God. It's always deeply personal and life changing....very very scary stuff.

I highly recommend it though instead of the God of your own making....

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You do not seem to want to listen to anyone but AI. Why bother?
The logic trains of thought are rather simplistic....but you object and prefer the fruits of a manufactured machine that is admittedly flawed in a core area of needed skills to have proper hermeneutics of scriptures.

But I'm the one full of hot air and rhetoric?

Do YOU know Jesus on a personal level?
How can you be qualified to speak about God when you seem to have a better relationship with a manufactured machine than the Son of God who is available to people?

You cant tell others accurately about God when your knowledge of Him is second hand or third hand knowledge. There are no shortcuts to knowing God. It's always deeply personal and life changing....very very scary stuff.

I highly recommend it though instead of the God of your own making....

Hilarious..

You've got absolutely nothing..



This is irrefutable, end of story.. >

"1. Jude’s authority​

• Jude wasn’t “one of the Twelve,” but he was the brother of James and of the Lord Jesus (Matt. 13:55; Mark 6:3).
• His letter was received as Scripture by the early church, included in the canon, and quoted by church fathers. That means the church recognized his authority as apostolic witness.
• If he isn’t authoritative, then his whole epistle collapses — and so does the New Testament canon that includes him.

---

2. Apostolic circle used Enoch language​

• Jude 1:14–15 directly quotes 1 Enoch 1:9. That’s the Spirit breathing Enoch’s words into canonical Scripture.
• 2 Peter 2:4–5, 2:17; 1 Peter 3:19–20 echo Enoch’s Watcher/demon material almost verbatim. Peter was an apostle.
• The “Son of Man” language in Enoch (pre-Advent) is picked up in Jesus’ own teaching (e.g. Matthew 24, Mark 14, John 5).

So yes: apostolic authority runs straight through Enoch’s themes.

Jude didn’t write in a vacuum. He was part of the apostolic circle — brother of James, tied to the Jerusalem church, contemporary with Peter and John. When he put down “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied…” he was making a bold claim in front of living apostles.

• If Jude had been wrong, the Twelve or the wider church would’ve rejected the letter.
• Instead, the letter was preserved, circulated, and canonized. That means his claim stood unchallenged.
• In other words: the apostolic community accepted Jude’s statement that Enoch was a prophet."

 

[Wick Stick]

THE BOOK OF ENOCH WAS PURGED FROM THE CANON​

Uh... no it wasn't.

It was never canonized by the Catholic or Eastern Orthodox churches. Only the Ethiopian church canonized it, and they never removed it.

 

[Wick Stick]

Yet Enoch was not the author of this pseudoepigraphal work commonly dated to 200 bc. for this reason it should be viewed cautiously and not given the same authority as scripture.

1st Samuel wasn't written by Samuel. Should we also view it skeptically?

 

[Wick Stick]

Back in 300 AD the bishops were basically saying: ‘Do you seriously want to put the Book of Enoch in the Bible? Are you nuts?!? Have you lost your mind? Jude quotes him, the guy walked with God for 300 years — but have you actually read his account? This thing will scare the living crap out of everybody. Only a fool or a madman would canonize it. We cannot allow it. And we wont.

Enoch wasn’t excluded because it was worthless — it was excluded because it was nuclear.

Your dramatization is off-base. The Council of Nicaea didn't consider Enoch for canonicity.

They also didn't consider ANY other books for canonicity, because that was not the purpose for the council. The purpose for the council was to authoritatively establish doctrine regarding the divinity of Christ.

 

[Wick Stick]

AI...

AI...

AI...

What's the point of re-gurgitating AI over and over? AI is pretty terrible at reciting known history, and even worse at theology.

You keep appealing to a source that is, for my money, somewhere between 'unreliable' and 'bad actor.' When you quote AI, you REMOVE credibility from anything it says, rather than BOLSTER it.

 

[Wick Stick]

I have the book of Enoch. I has no inspiration of the Holy Spirit. I can tell that by anything I read. By the way, there is zero evidence "Enoch" was preflood. There were many letters faked in the last temple period and after Jesus's ascension.

The book of 1st Enoch is actually a compilation of 5 books. I would encourage you to consider them separately. Some of them are better than others.

 

[Muna]

What's the point of re-gurgitating AI over and over? AI is pretty terrible at re-gurgitating history, and even worse at theology.

You keep appealing to a source that is, for my money, somewhere between 'unreliable' and 'bad actor.' When you quote AI, you REMOVE credibility from anything it says, rather than BOLSTER it.

AI can be useful, but I agree, it can also be mistaken. But if we will use AI in our every post we might as well be having our conversations on our search engine, because you are not talking to the poster any way. The points we gather through AI are not our own workmanship but the AI's.

But at least he gives credit to AI. Some just hide behind AI pretending all they post is born of their own hard work and labor in the word. Then they get kind of stuck, because once they start talking from themselves all the so called intelligence evaporates

 

[Rockerduck]

The book of 1st Enoch is actually a compilation of 5 books. I would encourage you to consider them separately. Some of them are better than others.

They came from the dead scrolls, kept by the Essenees who were Jewish mystics. I would not rely on the book of Enoch to be real. Look at it like voodoo. The dead sea scrolls were not all bible material. The book of Esther wasn't found there either, because they did not want a woman in Jewish history.

 

[Wick Stick]

They came from the dead scrolls, kept by the Essenees who were Jewish mystics. I would not rely on the book of Enoch to be real. Look at it like voodoo. The dead sea scrolls were not all bible material. The book of Esther wasn't found there either, because they did not want a woman in Jewish history.

The Essenes were copyists. Most of what they copied didn't come from themselves.

That includes most of the books of the Bible. You wouldn't throw those out because the Essenes touched them... so you shouldn't throw out other things unless we know their source to be bad.

Also, you probably shouldn't assume the things the Essenes wrote are inherently faulty. A lot of the things they wrote line up well with the New Testament. For instance, the Melchizedek scroll (11Q13) is an Essene composition, and the New Testament seems to make allusions to it (though doesn't directly quote it). Wikipedia contains basically the whole text of the scroll here: 11Q13 - Wikipedia

 

[Rockerduck]

The Essenes were copyists. Most of what they copied didn't come from themselves.

That includes most of the books of the Bible. You wouldn't throw those out because the Essenes touched them... so you shouldn't throw out other things unless we know their source to be bad.

Also, you probably shouldn't assume the things the Essenes wrote are inherently faulty. A lot of the things they wrote line up well with the New Testament. For instance, the Melchizedek scroll (11Q13) is an Essene composition, and the New Testament seems to make allusions to it (though doesn't directly quote it). Wikipedia contains basically the whole text of the scroll here: 11Q13 - Wikipedia

That Wikipedia link proved my point. Melchizedek being the leader of Angels, this is made up. Melchizedek has long been held as a Christophany. Its not in the Talmud or other oral writings.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

No Enoch book?
Q: Did not God Give Unto me Enough Of His Word Of Truth To:

1) Hear and have faith in The Lord Jesus Christ, His Death, Burial, And Resurrection

for Eternal Life, according to Scriptures / The Gospel Of Grace!​

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2) Love my neighbor and tell him/her The Truth Of # 1?

3) Study to show myself Approved Unto God, Rightly Dividing His ( Enough ) Word Of Truth
for Sound Grace Doctrine? - to have (for my labor ) on Judgment Day:

4) "receive reward for good works of gold, silver, and precious stones" (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV)

And thus:

5) "no loss of rewards for wood, hay, and stubble" for bad works of "biting and devouring one another"

about "envy, strife, vainglory, and carnality"?​

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Conclusion: God's Pure and Preserved Word Is Complete for "the faith and practice" of humble believers, eh?

Amen.

 

[Wick Stick]

That Wikipedia link proved my point. Melchizedek being the leader of Angels, this is made up. Melchizedek has long been held as a Christophany.

If Mel is a Christophany, then wouldn't He actually be the leader of the angels? I think that may line up better than you think.

Not to say this scroll should be considered Scripture, but it does seem to agree with Scripture.

E.g. in Luke 4, Jesus quotes from Isaiah 61, and attributes the fulfillment of the prophecy to Himself. I believe the scroll in question quotes the same passage from Isaiah and attributes it to Melichizedek. Which, if they're the same person... that kinda works.