The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

[WPM]

What do you think “bodies” mean???


52 And the graves were opened; and many (((bodies ))))of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”

Just like Lazarus?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Greek word for "first" (as in first resurrection) is protos. It is a contracted superlative meaning foremost (in time, place, order and/or importance). So, which is the "first" (or protos) resurrection?

Which is the foremost resurrection in time?

Which is the foremost resurrection in place?

Which is the foremost resurrection in order?

Which is the foremost resurrection in importance?

Who is "the first resurrection" in Acts 26:23?

Who is "the firstborn from the dead" in Colossians 1:18?

Who is "the firstfruits of them that slept" in 1 Corinthians 15:20?

Who is "first begotten of the dead" in Revelation 1:5?

Careful. You're going to confuse him by using scripture to back up your view. He prefers reckless assumptions and wild theories.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Do you think those saints who were beheaded might have been killed/dead?

Revelation 20:4-6​

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4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished

2 Timothy 3:12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.

It is believed that most, if not all, of the disciples were killed for their faith. Stephen was killed for his faith. And MANY other Christians have been killed in the past almost 2,000 years. Why are you acting as if that is something that has not yet happened?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What do you think “bodies” mean???


52 And the graves were opened; and many (((bodies ))))of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”

They were bodily resurrected, but it does not say they were resurrected with immortal bodies. They couldn't have been because that would contradict 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 which says the order of resurrections unto bodily immortality was Christ's first and next in order are those who belong to Christ at His second coming.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your problem is with the words of God that call this physical resurrection of the dead and living in Christ the “first resurrection”

Revelation 20:4-6​

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4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

Your problem is that Paul said the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ that will occur at His second coming is the second resurrection in order, not the first.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Christ's resurrection was first. Then, next in order, "when he comes, those who belong to him". Why do you interpret Revelation 20:4-6 in such a way that contradicts other scripture? Do you not care about that?

 

[rwb]

Do you think those saints who were beheaded might have been killed/dead?

Revelation 20:4-6​

King James Version​

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished

Yes, absolutely! They were martyred for their faith during this time John writes a thousand years. They weren't all martyred at the same time so they might all live and reign with Christ for exactly ONE thousand years. They are all at various times throughout this time symbolized 'a/the' thousand years faithful unto death.

Those said to have part in the first resurrection, the holy and blessed shall also reign with Christ during this time symbolized a thousand years. This is how we can be certain that a/the thousand years is NOT ONE thousand years but represents an unknown period of time that began with the first advent of Christ and will not end until the seventh trumpet sounds.

As for the rest of the dead who have not lived and reigned with Christ before death, and shall not reign with Him before death, these are found before the GWTJ raised to life again after this symbolic time the thousand years to stand before God to be judged according to what is written in the books and the book of life.

 

[rwb]

What do you think “bodies” mean???


52 And the graves were opened; and many (((bodies ))))of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”

Paul writes there is a natural body, and a spiritual body. The natural body he writes is of the earth and like Adam. That which is spiritual is like Christ and of heaven, a celestial/spiritual body. Just as in physical life mankind bears the image of the earthy, Adam, so too after death faithful saints shall bear the image of the heavenly body as the Lord from heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:40 (KJV) There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

1 Corinthians 15:44-49 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

That has been happening for thousands of years.

But I’m pretty sure those beheaded saints were dead before they were physically resurrected eh?

 

[rwb]

But I’m pretty sure those beheaded saints were dead before they were physically resurrected eh?

They haven't been physically resurrected yet! None who have died shall be physically resurrected until the hour coming when the last trumpet sounds. Then ALL who are in the graves shall come out, those who have done good resurrected to life, and those who have done evil resurrected to damnation.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

They haven't been physically resurrected yet! None who have died shall be physically resurrected until the hour coming when the last trumpet sounds. Then ALL who are in the graves shall come out, those who have done good resurrected to life, and those who have done evil resurrected to damnation.

I thought you guys said “the first resurrection” has already taken place. Now you say it hasn’t happened yet. Lol

 

[WPM]

But I’m pretty sure those beheaded saints were dead before they were physically resurrected eh?

Yes. They will be resurrected when He comes.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Scripture teaches that Jesus's resurrection was the first resurrection.

Do you not like that scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection? If so, take it up with God.

I did, it is called vain babblings

2 Timothy 2:15-18

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15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.”

 

[IndianaRob]

This is all you need to understand the resurrection.

Jhn 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
Jhn 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Jhn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

The dead in Christ were raised with Christ at his resurrection and “whosoever believeth in him SHALL NEVER DIE”

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Those who say the first resurrection is past already are in error. They are of Mystery Babylon= vain babblings…

2 Timothy 2:15-18

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15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.”

 

[IndianaRob]

Those who say the first resurrection is past already are in error. They are of Mystery Babylon= vain babblings…

2 Timothy 2:15-18​

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15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.”

What is God telling us in verse 18? Don’t change the words just read it exactly as is and you’ll see the message.

2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;


2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

 

[rwb]

I thought you guys said “the first resurrection” has already taken place. Now you say it hasn’t happened yet. Lol

You're confused because you don't know what or WHO the first resurrection is! For the umpteenth time the first resurrection is not physical saints being resurrected from the dead. The first resurrection IS THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST THAT MAN MUST HAVE PART IN BEFORE THEY DIE TO OVERCOME THE SECOND DEATH AND LIVE FOREVER! The first resurrection came to pass when Christ resurrected from the dead, and it is by having part in HIS RESURRECTION BEFORE WE DIE THAT MAN OF FAITH POSSESSES ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH CHRIST.

 

[rwb]

Yes. They will be resurrected when He comes.

I don't know if he's being deliberately obtuse, or really does not understand???

 

[WPM]

I don't know if he's being deliberately obtuse, or really does not understand???

Once you get to the heart of the Premil contradictions you get notable radio silence.

 

[rwb]

Once you get to the heart of the Premil contradictions you get notable radio silence.

Or they attempt to change the subject!

 

[WPM]

Those who say the first resurrection is past already are in error. They are of Mystery Babylon= vain babblings…

2 Timothy 2:15-18​

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15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.”

So, you you now deny that Jesus has rose from the dead?