(The Beast) & (The Two Witnesses) Will Be On This Earth Together For 3.5 Years (Then Cometh The End)

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The 1260 days of the two witnesses is the first half of the seven years. Then their 3 /12 days of laying dead in the streets of Jerusalem, then brought back to life and called up to heaven - is at the very start of the second half.

Here is a chart I made of the all of the time of the end time frames in the bible. And how they fit within the 7 years. The 3 1/2 days is also on the chart.


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So you are saying that key events from the life of Jesus that will only be repeated by the 2 witnesses are not the sign of the son of man because that does not fit into your chart! That is hard to accept. I hope you will take another look at your chart.
 

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It is not... about one's point of view. It is about what God's Word says as written. Your claim is that there will be THREE major earthquakes at the end, when there will only be TWO. What is confusing you is that you have failed to understand that the 6th Seal description in Revelation 6 has TWO PARTS like I said, while you are wrongly including all the 6th Seal events as the day Jesus returns.

The following is NOT about Jesus' return. It is about the Revelation 12:7 war in Heaven event that will cast Satan and his angels out of heaven down to this earth in plain sight to begin the time of "great tribulation", i.e. the idea of "... the stars of heaven fell unto earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs," is PRIOR to Christ's coming.

Rev 6:12-13
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
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And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
KJV

Thus the first earthquake happens when Satan and his angels are cast out of Heaven at the END of this world like "untimely figs". That event most of the whole world will be deceived about, which is why even many brethren in Christ miss this 6th Seal having TWO PARTS. It's about the coming of a false-Messiah that will fool the whole world, which will be Satan ("dragon" of Rev.13:4) himself playing Jesus Christ in Jerusalem for the trib.

From Revelation 6:14-17 is all about the events of Jesus' coming, which is the 2nd PART of that 6th Seal. And thus the great earthquake of Revelation 11 on the 7th Trumpet is actually the one implied in the 6th Seal. However, notice it is mentioned in that 1st PART of the 6th Seal before the "untimely figs" event. Why would that be? Because Satan coming as the false-Messiah wants to be worshiped in place of Christ, which happens first at the end, to mimic Christ's coming.

The Revelation 11 Scripture below reveals ONE earthquake between the "two witnesses" ascending and Jesus' coming, but the 2nd Woe is actually ended by that "great earthquake". All that, the ascension of the "two witnesses", the "great earthquake", and Jesus' coming all occur within that "same hour". So why would the Rev.6:12-13 show an earthquake happening when the "untimely figs" fall to earth, which is prior to the trib? It's because it is to IMPLY Christ's coming when it will instead be the coming of the false-Messiah. Thus there are TWO earthquakes to occur, the first one is IMPLIED by the 1st Part of the 6th Seal, and the second one in Rev.11 in the same hour of Jesus' coming.

Rev 11:12-15
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

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And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever."
KJV
It is not... about one's point of view. It is about what God's Word says as written. Your claim is that there will be THREE major earthquakes at the end, when there will only be TWO. What is confusing you is that you have failed to understand that the 6th Seal description in Revelation 6 has TWO PARTS like I said, while you are wrongly including all the 6th Seal events as the day Jesus returns.

I only see 2 end-times earthquakes.
The first earthquake is pictured in Rev 6:12 and in Rev 11:13.
The 2nd earthquake is pictured in Rev 6:14, 8:5, 11:19, and 16:18.

I believe that my point of view is no different than God's Word as written, but so do you. Neither of us have perfect knowledge.
I also believe that the 6th seal has 2 parts. It shows the end of the 2nd woe and the beginning of the period of God's wrath. Then it shows the 7th bowl of God's wrath which includes Jesus' return.
Rev 6:14 "...every mountain and island were moved out of their places." is repeated in Rev 16:18 "...there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great."
Rev 6:15 "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man" These same people were gathered in Rev 16:14 "...the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."
The throne of God is symbolized by voices, thunders, and lightnings. Rev 4:5 "And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices..." Therefore, the throne of God is found in Rev 6:16 "him that sitteth on the throne" and the throne of God is symbolically found in Rev 16:18 "And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings."

The throne of God comes to earth at the same time as Jesus' return. Rev 6:16 "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:" Judge for yourself, Is the throne of God coming to earth at the same time as Jesus' return my point of view or is that God's Word as written?


"The Revelation 11 Scripture below reveals ONE earthquake between the "two witnesses" ascending and Jesus' coming, but the 2nd Woe is actually ended by that "great earthquake". All that, the ascension of the "two witnesses", the "great earthquake", and Jesus' coming all occur within that "same hour". So why would the Rev.6:12-13 show an earthquake happening when the "untimely figs" fall to earth, which is prior to the trib?"

Compare the signs of Matthew 24:29 with Rev 6:12-14. These signs occur immediately after the trib, not prior to the trib.

Matt 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"


Rev 12-14 "there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together;

Doesn't God's Word as written show the same signs in each passage? Look at the timing - "Immediately after the tribulation.." Immediately after the period of great tribulation, immediately after the great earthquake, when the 2 witnesses are seen in heaven, when the sign of the son of man is seen in heaven - Matt 24:30
 

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(The Topic Of Discussion Is When The 2nd Woe Ends) and this takes place after the great earthquake in the "Same Hour" after the (Two Witnesses) are raised to the heaven's

The 2nd woe is finished just minutes before the 3rd woe in the Lords second coming Rev 11:15 and the final judgement Rev 11:18, simple, clear, easy to understand, and before your eyes

Revelation 11:12-18KJV
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
We are in pretty much in agreement here. My only point in the last post was to show that the 2nd woe was not part of God's wrath.