(The Beast) & (The Two Witnesses) Will Be On This Earth Together For 3.5 Years (Then Cometh The End)

[TribulationSigns]

- Is it possible to be forgiven for taking the Rev 14:9-10 MOTB ?
Was the answer YES or NO ?

Go back and re-read post over and over until you figure out my answer.

Take care!

 

[PeterAndroz]

Go back and re-read post until you figure out for my answer.

Take care!

If someone asks me yes or no I respond with either yes, no or don't know
It's called manners & being polite.
Try it some day :)

 

[Truth7t7]

New heavens and earth is AFTER the millennium (Revelation chapters 21, 22).

There won't be a future Millennium on this earth as many falsely claim

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

After the second coming and after "the end" will the overcomers be given power over the nations, ruling them with a rod of iron. That proves the rod of iron rule over the nations for a thousand years does not even start until Christ has returned and has given overcomers this power to rule over the nations.

Your Claims Are "False"

A "Rod Of Iron" is a "Tool Of Destruction" that a Potter destroys clay vessels with

Jesus returns and destroy's the wicked like a Potter destroy's his vessels with a "Rod Of Iron" its that simple

Sad part is, many have been clearly shown this biblical truth several times, and they continue to teach error

The "Rod Of Iron" is a "Tool Of Destruction" not a "Kings Scepter" as many falsely believe and teach

Psalm 2:9KJV
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Revelation 2:27KJV
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 19:15KJV
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

 

[Truth7t7]

"Christ the firstfruits" = "firstfruits from THE GRAVE."

"End" (of the millennial kingdom) is succeeded by the new heavens and new earth (Revelation chapters 21, 22).

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Truth7t7]

IMO:
o. The tribulation spans seven years.
o. The great tribulation occurs at the midpoint of the seven years.
o. The rapture occurs at this midpoint.
o. The rapture is depicted in Revelation 11:12, 14:14-16.

"Then they (two witnesses) heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here!" And in the sight of their foes they went up to heaven in a cloud." (Revelation 11:12).

"So he who sat upon the cloud swung his sickel on the land, and the land was reaped." (Revelation 14:16).

The future great tribulation will be 3.5 years and it will start when (The Beast/Antichrist) will be revealed in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God on earth

Immediately after the great tribulation Jesus will return in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End), there won't be a 1,000 year millennial kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[ewq1938]

Your Claims Are "False"

I posted what the bible says, not my claims. The issue is the bible teaches things that contradict some of your beliefs.

 

[William Barton]

Truth7t7 notes:
<there won't be a 1000 year millennial kingdom on this earth>

Bible notes:
<ruled with Christ 1000 years> (Revelation 20:6)

"Dissolved by fire" (2Peter 3:10-12) refers to the end of the millennium.
See Revelation 20:7-15).

Crunch time.

 

[TribulationSigns]

If someone asks me yes or no I respond with either yes, no or don't know
It's called manners & being polite.
Try it some day :)

Your demand for a “yes or no” answer may satisfy your idea of manners, but it does absolutely nothing to demonstrate that you understand Scripture.

I already explained my position, and you apparently learned nothing from it. Instead of demanding a simplistic answer, try actually studying Scripture and letting Scripture interpret Scripture rather than inventing a physical-mark fantasy and then forcing Revelation to fit it.

Spiritual truths are spiritually discerned. So perhaps the problem isn't that I failed to answer your question—it may be that you're insisting on an interpretation Scripture never gave you in the first place.

 

[William Barton]

I dont read Latin, my KJV holy Bible is english and the word (Rapture) doesn't exist in it, pretty simple

I suspect you do not have an actual King James Bible, rather you have a transliteration of the 1611 King James Bible into modern English script.

I had an actual 1611 King James Bible years ago, and I couldn't read any of it because its English script is so different from today's English script.

The King James Bible was a *remarkable* contrbution, because it gave the people who spoke English a bible they could read in their own language

The Bible was originally written in Hebrew/Aramaic (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament).

"We will be caught up" (1Thessalonians 4:17) is rapiamur in the Latin Vulgate Bible. That is where we get the word "rapture " (The New Testament was written during the Roman empire, and the people therein spoke Latin).

The Greek word translated into the English Bible is 'αρπαγησομεθα (arpagaysometha ) = "we will be caught up."

We see the voice of the arcangel, relaying the command from God, in Revelation 14:15 (arc= high, hence "high angel"). This is prophesied in 1Thessalonians 4:16.

 

[Davy]

IMO:
o. The tribulation spans seven years.
o. The great tribulation occurs at the midpoint of the seven years.
o. The rapture occurs at this midpoint.
o. The rapture is depicted in Revelation 11:12, 14:14-16.

"Then they (two witnesses) heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here!" And in the sight of their foes they went up to heaven in a cloud." (Revelation 11:12).

"So he who sat upon the cloud swung his sickel on the land, and the land was reaped." (Revelation 14:16).

There is no Bible Scripture suggesting a rapture at the 'midpoint' of Daniel's symbolic "one week".

The event that is prophesied to happen at the 'midpoint' is the placing of the "abomination of desolation" idol at a new Jewish stone temple in Jerusalem, setup by the Antichrist. (Matt.24:15) And that prophecy was given by Lord Jesus Christ Himself from the Book of Daniel.

By your claiming a rapture happens "at this midpoint" is nothing but an empty claim. And those Revelation 11 Scriptures reveal Jesus' coming to take reign over all nations at the END of the 1260 days (latter half) of Daniel's "one week". The Revelation 14 Scripture shows the time is when the endtime Babylon falls, which means the last day of this world, the "day of the Lord", which is when Jesus comes to gather His faithful Church.

 

[William Barton]

There is no such word as (Rapture) found in my KJV Holy Bible, perhaps you need to use the correct wording in (Caught Up) and yes this event takes place at the Lord's future second coming, (The Day Of The Lord) (The End)

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

"Rapture"= "the act of seizing and carrying off as prey" (Oxford English Dictionary).

BTW there is no such word as "Bible" in the KJV Holy Bible either. Rather the New Testament was written in Greek, hence the actual word is Greek Βιβλος. It simply means "book." "Bible" stems from Greek βιβλος = "book "

The Latin Vulgate translates "we shall be caught up" as rapiemur. The English word "rapture" stems from this Latin word.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

as the Holy Spirit sealed Church is protected

So when the time comes we will see lots of tares claiming to be Christians who will not be protected.

IMO the two witnesses are Enoch and Elijah, who both never died.

Yep, it would have to be these two considering God said it's appointed unto man to die once (Hebrews 9:27-28) and considering Enoch and Elijah never died... but will when they return as end times players and then God raises them from the dead all live on the news for the entire world to see.

 

[William Barton]

There won't be a future Millennium on this earth as many falsely claim

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord

o. Jesus returns and removes believers from the land (Revelation 14:14).
o. Jerusalem is secured (Revelation 14:17).
o. Middle East is attacked . (Revelation 16:1-21).
o. Babylon is attacked (Revelation 18:1-24)
o. Jesus comes with his mighty angels (Revelation 19:12-21)
o. Millennial Kingdom begins (Revelation 20:1-6)

"...They came to life and reigned with Christ a THOUSAND YEARS."
(Revelation 20:24)

MILLENIUM !!!

Dissolving the earth is AFTER the Millennium:

"And I saw a new heavens and a new earth..."
(Revelation 21:1)

 

[TribulationSigns]

Private interpreations.

o. Jesus returns and removes believers from the land (Revelation 14:14).

That interpretation is incorrect. Revelation 14:14 does not teach that Jesus returns to remove believers from the earth.

You first need to understand the vision in Revelation 14:1–5. The 144,000 with the Lamb on Mount Zion represents the redeemed people of God—the elect from both the Old and New Testaments. The imagery of the virgins is symbolic of their spiritual purity and faithfulness to Christ.

This is not a vision of Christ physically gathering believers off the earth. Rather, it is a symbolic vision portraying the redeemed Church in the presence of the Lamb, ultimately pointing to the heavenly Jerusalem/New Jerusalem.

Therefore, we should not take the imagery in Revelation 14:14 and turn it into a literal “Jesus returns and removes believers from the land” event. The surrounding vision must be interpreted symbolically and in light of the rest of Revelation.

o. Jerusalem is secured (Revelation 14:17).

You are reading something into Revelation 14:17 that the verse simply does not say. Revelation 14:17 does not say that Jerusalem is “secured.” The verse says:

“And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.”

The context is clearly the execution of divine judgment, not the securing or protecting of a literal city. The angel comes from the heavenly temple with a sharp sickle, and the following verses describe the gathering of the earth’s harvest and the casting of the grapes into the great winepress of God’s wrath (Rev. 14:18–20).

So where exactly does Revelation 14:17 say that Jerusalem is secured? It doesn’t. You cannot simply assign a meaning to the verse that is not found in the text. The passage is about judgment from heaven, not the securing of Jerusalem.

o. Middle East is attacked . (Revelation 16:1-21).

Again, you are forcing a literal Middle East interpretation onto a passage that never says it. Revelation 16:1–21 does not describe a physical attack on the Middle East. It portrays the outpouring of God’s judgment upon the rebellious and unfaithful kingdom, using symbolic imagery throughout the chapter.

Nothing in the text says, “the Middle East is attacked.” That is an interpretation being imposed on the passage rather than derived from it. Please let Revelation speak for itself instead of inserting modern geopolitical events into symbolic prophecy.

o. Babylon is attacked (Revelation 18:1-24)

LOL. Again, Revelation 18 does not describe a literal attack on a future physical Babylon. It portrays God’s judgment and destruction of Babylon, the symbolic representation of the unfaithful New Testament congregation. The chapter is filled with prophetic imagery and symbolism.

You keep turning symbolic visions into literal geopolitical events that the text itself never identifies. Revelation 18 is about God’s judgment on Babylon—not a literal military attack on a city in the Middle East.

o. Jesus comes with his mighty angels (Revelation 19:12-21)

Again, you are turning symbolic apocalyptic imagery into a literal modern military battle. Revelation 19:12–21 does not describe the world physically fighting Christ and His angels with modern weapons. The passage uses symbolic imagery to portray Christ’s final victory and judgment over His enemies.

The point is not tanks, missiles, guns, or a literal battlefield. The text reveals Christ conquering His enemies by divine judgment. You cannot read modern warfare into Revelation simply because the vision uses the imagery of a battle

o. Millennial Kingdom begins (Revelation 20:1-6)

Wrong timing and wrong understanding of the kingdom. The Millennial Kingdom did not begin sometime after Christ’s return. It began with Christ’s resurrection, exaltation, and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, when He established His reign and commissioned His witnesses to proclaim the Gospel of the Kingdom.

Revelation 20:1–6 describes this present spiritual reign of Christ, not a future earthly kingdom lasting 1,000 literal years. The “thousand years” is symbolic of the complete, appointed period of Christ’s reign between His first and second coming.

So again, the problem is taking symbolic apocalyptic language and turning it into a literal future timeline that the text itself does not give.

"...They came to life and reigned with Christ a THOUSAND YEARS."
(Revelation 20:4

You are missing what Revelation 20 means by the “first resurrection.” It is not a future physical resurrection at the beginning of a literal earthly millennium. The first resurrection is spiritual regeneration—being born again by the Spirit of God (John 3:3–8). Those who experience it are made spiritually alive and enter into Christ’s Kingdom, serving as His witnesses on earth.

When believers physically die, they do not cease reigning with Christ. They are with Him in heaven and continue to reign with Him until the Second Coming.

This also explains the phrase “the rest of the dead” in Revelation 20:5. They are those who have not experienced the first resurrection (being born again with the Holy Spirit) —they remain in the grave until the second resurrection, when Christ returns and raises the dead for final judgment.

The passage therefore presents one spiritual kingdom and two resurrections, not a future earthly kingdom followed by another separate age.

Selah!

 

[gpresdo]

There won't be a future Millennium on this earth as many falsely claim

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord

The Bible says the earth will be ....cleansed..... by fire.....not consumed.

 

[Truth7t7]

o. Jesus returns and removes believers from the land (Revelation 14:14).
o. Jerusalem is secured (Revelation 14:17).
o. Middle East is attacked . (Revelation 16:1-21).
o. Babylon is attacked (Revelation 18:1-24)
o. Jesus comes with his mighty angels (Revelation 19:12-21)
o. Millennial Kingdom begins (Revelation 20:1-6)

"...They came to life and reigned with Christ a THOUSAND YEARS."
(Revelation 20:4)

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

 

[Truth7t7]

The Bible says the earth will be ....cleansed..... by fire.....not consumed.

The Bible states the earth will be "Dissolved" by "Fire" down to its very "Elements"

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Davy]

The Bible states the earth will be "Dissolved" by "Fire" down to its very "Elements"

Once again, you REFUSE to look up that Greek word for "elements" in those 2 Peter 3:10 and 12 verses...

NT:4747
stoicheion (stoy-khi'-on); neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of NT:4748; something orderly in arrangement, i.e. (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively):
KJV - element, principle, rudiment.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

It means the rudiments of this present world, not the periodic table of elements of earthly matter!

Someone here already showed you how that Greek word is translated in other Bible Scripture too, so you have no excuse to keep carrying on with that false doctrine of men you follow saying that God is going to literally turn this earth into some asteroid belt.

Ps 78:69
69 And He built His sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which He hath established for ever.
KJV


Gal 4:3
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
KJV

Gal 4:9
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
KJV

Col 2:8
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
KJV

Col 2:20
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
KJV

Heb 5:12
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
KJV

 

[Davy]

The Bible says the earth will be ....cleansed..... by fire.....not consumed.

And that's the actual subject flow of that 2 Peter 3 Chapter by previous verses, for he was describing God's previous destructions with cleansing the surface of this earth using flood waters. Noah and his still existing through it.

Daniel 3 with Shadrach, Meshech, and Abed-nego cast into the hot fiery furnace heated seven times hotter than necessary, with The Son of God appearing in that furnace with them, and when they came out their clothes didn't even smell of smoke, serves as a symbolic representation of the day of Christ's future coming with God's consuming fire to end this present world on the "last trump" of 1 Cor.15, and gather His elect saints.