The Bible and The American Revolution

[bbyrd009]

Today or in the future you will be using weapons in communities and towns against foreign or traitorous armies/armed men ready to do harm...dom

I don't know the future

I just pray that if and when I need to act out of sheer need for family and community in whatever fashion, it gives me peace in mind and spirit that I'm doing the right thing for my Lord.

ok then

.he protects his people where ever they live...same goes for today...

well no offense but which is it

 

[kcnalp]

So, for the sake of fulfilling "prophecy," Jesus commanded the Twelve to sin by telling them to buy two swords....

I didn't say it was sin to have swords. They were under the Law of Moses.

Questionable theology at best! The concept that Jesus went around with a checklist of prophecies to fulfill, is in my opinion; absurd.

This prophecy was fulfilled on His placement between two criminals on the Cross, not when he ordered them to buy two swords!

Partly.

 

[APAK]

@Scoot ...I look at these tyrannical governments of the past and even today (and not even N Korea or China) as at least equivalent to a socialist form where voting is a rigged system with no real difference between which candidate you choose over the long-haul.

Also, socialist States start out as your benevolent friend as they already have planned to head towards giving your money and resources away...towards communism and dictatorship. Just give them some space and time without resistance and even the use of force. And like a magnet they run to the 'left.' History always shows this to be true,without much dispute. Today we are beginning to see a globalist socialist government in the making. On a scale of socialist governance we have never seen before. How quickly to you think they will move to total Marxism? What to do as Christians then?

APAK

 

[bbyrd009]

Today or in the future you will be using weapons in communities and towns against foreign or traitorous armies/armed men ready to do harm...domestic or foreign..of whatever the composition...I see both on the horizon and when it comes we will be ready..I have no doubts about it....remember, the enemies of the State know this already....so just knowing we have these arms should keep them in check..up to now it has worked..until they think they can legislate these rights away...which is not happening, and has never worked, at least in the US.. trying to take them away by force will be suicide and cause a blood bath...they know this already.

So they, these pathetic satanic and 'rich' psychopaths are trying other means today, as a war of attrition to raise prices, deliberately keep food inventories lower and lower..etc add in surveillance tools and methods etc..and keep many weak in spirit, in fear and use these for their purposes to stifle patriots....the classic divide and conquer method..to cause much confusion.

The people at their lowest point will turn to God and band together....believers and even those that are not at that point will all band together if given the opportunity, time, energy and resources..it is contagious at that point..

I don't know the future, I just pray that if and when I need to act out of sheer need for family and community in whatever fashion, it gives me peace in mind and spirit that I'm doing the right thing for my Lord.

APAK

you (and Candidus) might note that this is the third time you have quoted me, but essentially ignored my post. Its easy to use the Bible to justify a pov, right; its changing your mind that is hard. If you are committed to the world, and perceiving things in terms of "democracy, socialism," then you would of course be led to believe that you need to protect yourself, bc you are in fear right

 

[APAK]

you (and Candidus) might note that this is the third time you have quoted me, but essentially ignored my post. Its easy to use the Bible to justify a pov, right; its changing your mind that is hard. If you are committed to the world, and perceiving things in terms of "democracy, socialism," then you would of course be led to believe that you need to protect yourself, bc you are in fear right

In fear and of what or who...??...I'm never committed to the world....and I only use the labels of political parties to communicate more effectively on the subject BB.it's a common basic for talking about power etc....so what is your point? When did I quote you BB? Cannot remember it.

Thanks

APAK

 

[bbyrd009]

In fear and of what or who...?

ha thats what im wondering lol; i mean, i did ask

.I'm never committed to the world....and I only use the labels of political parties to communicate more effectively on the subject BB

ok

it's a common basic for talking about power etc

ah

so what is your point? When did I quote you BB? Cannot remember it.

you believe you are justified in interpreting sword literally; and i am not inclined to dissuade you either, ok, i know you to be a pretty level-headed guy, and i have no idea what i might do in the presence of immanent danger and a shotgun on the wall, so dont get me wrong ok, but From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it comes to mind for me, in this convo.

so if i have a point at all--and with the understanding that imo "Christian" as we define it is not any kind of standard anyway--i might ask you, if you became convinced that following Christ entailed no rewards whatsoever after literal death, would you still be interested?

 

[bbyrd009]

@Scoot ...I look at these tyrannical governments of the past and even today (and not even N Korea or China) as at least equivalent to a socialist form where voting is a rigged system with no real difference between which candidate you choose over the long-haul.

and that differs from what we are still calling our "democracy" in what way, iyo?

Also, socialist States start out as your benevolent friend as they already have planned to head towards giving your money and resources away...towards communism and dictatorship. Just give them some space and time without resistance and even the use of force. And like a magnet they run to the 'left.' History always shows this to be true,without much dispute.

i dunno, A, Denmark, Sweden, Iceland? You think? I mean i guess they all have Rothschilds in their woodpile, Central Banks, but you think they fit that mold?

Today we are beginning to see a globalist socialist government in the making. On a scale of socialist governance we have never seen before. How quickly to you think they will move to total Marxism? What to do as Christians then?

turn off the news, maybe? Ha i mean im being flip here obv but really what would you suggest? The world is passing away, after all, right? I guess "everyone is secretly waiting for the end of the world," rather than what that more likely means, but i sure got a feeling that a little--ok, big i guess--perspective change would alter your angst quite a bit bro


so, i mean think about it ok; your Gov has "borrowed" like five TRILLION DOLLARS or whatever the last six months, and gave it all away to...heck, who knows right, not to me, not to any little guys i know of, aside from what twelve hundred several months ago to those who held their mouths right, but youre railing against "socialism?"

i dont keep up with that yack too much, but arent some "Socialist" countries among the highest quality of life? Sweden or whatever? So tbh im kinda surprised at you, going this direction. I mean dont get me wrong ok, i doubt you are near the hypocrite i am...and i understand that Anarchy has been made into a scare-word for us now, but do you really think these terms, Democracy, Socialism, have any practical meaning? Other than to use against others, i mean?

 

[Candidus]

you (and Candidus) might note that this is the third time you have quoted me, but essentially ignored my post. Its easy to use the Bible to justify a pov, right; its changing your mind that is hard. If you are committed to the world, and perceiving things in terms of "democracy, socialism," then you would of course be led to believe that you need to protect yourself, bc you are in fear right

You, along with everyone else has ignored that Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today and forever. That is Bible!

You ignored that God used war and commanded His people to kill to gain land and defeat opposing people that owned the land that they were ordered by God to take. That's Bible.

Yes, one side has a narrow Point of View... and refuses to look at the whole... Biblically!

 

[APAK]

and that differs from what we are still calling our "democracy" in what way, iyo?
i dunno, A, Denmark, Sweden, Iceland? You think? I mean i guess they all have Rothschilds in their woodpile, Central Banks, but you think they fit that mold?
turn off the news, maybe? Ha i mean im being flip here obv but really what would you suggest? The world is passing away, after all, right? I guess "everyone is secretly waiting for the end of the world," rather than what that more likely means, but i sure got a feeling that a little--ok, big i guess--perspective change would alter your angst quite a bit bro


so, i mean think about it ok; your Gov has "borrowed" like five TRILLION DOLLARS or whatever the last six months, and gave it all away to...heck, who knows right, not to me, not to any little guys i know of, aside from what twelve hundred several months ago to those who held their mouths right, but youre railing against "socialism?"

i dont keep up with that yack too much, but arent some "Socialist" countries among the highest quality of life? Sweden or whatever? So tbh im kinda surprised at you, going this direction. I mean dont get me wrong ok, i doubt you are near the hypocrite i am...and i understand that Anarchy has been made into a scare-word for us now, but do you really think these terms, Democracy, Socialism, have any practical meaning? Other than to use against others, i mean?

BB makes no diff if Sweden has a high quality of living....these countries are all tied into global institutions, esp Banking...Central, World, IMF etc..they run countries literally as a tool of warfare....look what happened to Greece...the IMF and World Bank laid a trap for them over the years, when they borrowed heavily from them..they wanted their money NOW..they bought the country up on pennies on the $ so to speak....these world entities are private entities. The new world government will be ran by private/secret companies and many of them high-tech.

..There will be no benevolent UN Peoples government of the people and by the people.....that is the big fat LIE. that many liberals are falling for...

APAK

 

[bbyrd009]

You, along with everyone else has ignored that Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today and forever. That is Bible!

well you might be right there, but im not sure your point, or in what context you mean that, sorry

You ignored that God used war and commanded His people to kill to gain land and defeat opposing people that owned the land that they were ordered by God to take. That's Bible.

ok but thats OT first off, and secondly i suspect via "putting away childish things" and other studies that those did not literally happen anyway. Suspect, dont know.

Yes, one side has a narrow Point of View... and refuses to look at the whole... Biblically!

i have already said that i am not inclined to dissuade you if you prefer to take "sword" literally, Candidus, and that im not entirely sure what i might do in a certain situation? So at the moment im mostly curious why you quoted me at all? Go ye and hate your enemies, to the point of shooting them even, and call it Christianity if you like, ok. Bah with all that turning the other cheek jazz anyway huh

 

[bbyrd009]

BB makes no diff if Sweden has a high quality of living....these countries are all tied into global institutions, esp Banking...Central, World, IMF etc..they run countries literally as a tool of warfare....look what happened to Greece...the IMF and World Bank laid a trap for them over the years, when they borrowed heavily from them..they wanted their money NOW..they bought the country up on pennies on the $ so to speak....these world entities are private entities. The new world government will be ran by private/secret companies and many of them high-tech.

..There will be no benevolent UN Peoples government of the people and by the people.....that is the big fat LIE. that many liberals are falling for...

APAK

so the world is indeed passing away, after all eh?

 

[Candidus]

i have already said that i am not inclined to dissuade you if you prefer to take "sword" literally,

So, when Jesus send out the Twelve and told them not to bring a purse and other listed items in this passage you wish to allegorize, was Jesus just pulling their leg? Did an allegorical sword cut off the ear of Malchus? (Matt. 26:51). I see no Biblical or logical reason to disbelieve Jesus.

 

[Candidus]

Go ye and hate your enemies, to the point of shooting them even, and call it Christianity if you like, ok.

Go ye and let people burn, loot, rape, beat up people and even murder them.... and do nothing and call it Christianity.

 

[bbyrd009]

Go ye and let people burn, loot, rape, beat up people and even murder them.... and do nothing and call it Christianity.

yikes, you live in a rough part of town, i guess? that happen a lot where you are, does it? If i were in a position to be "letting" anything of that nature occur, wadr i would first be asking myself why i am in that position in the first place

but you dont have to be counted as sheep for the slaughter if you dont want to, far as im concerned
i mean seems like you are on awful slim pickins, Scripturally, but that is for you to decide imo
violent people force their way in, doesnt get much clearer than that

So, when Jesus send out the Twelve and told them not to bring a purse and other listed items in this passage you wish to allegorize, was Jesus just pulling their leg? Did an allegorical sword cut off the ear of Malchus? (Matt. 26:51). I see no Biblical or logical reason to disbelieve Jesus.

the One who chastised Peter for using the sword, right?
are you even listening to yourself?
no offense but could you go be insane somewhere else?
by which i mean we have limited means for expression here, etc, and im not so interested in holding grudges or anything, but...ya

 

[kcnalp]

Should Christians kill anyone for filthy rich LYING politicians?