The Bible Is Built on the Rock of Mathematics

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I wasn't sure where to post this information, but it's a kind of apologetic, so hopefully it'll be acceptable here.

The Bible is built on the solid rock of mathematical truth, and not, as doubters claim, the shifting sands of man's hopes, fears and prejudices. This level of information upholds the fundamental claims of Christianity, in particular that Jesus Christ was the Word Incarnate. Interestingly, the status of Jesus Christ is settled in the first verse and in the original Hebrew words, which predate the Incarnation.

The opening verse is essentially a fractally-compressed file, which when decompressed contains a seemingly infinite amount of information. I am one of several Christian researchers who have been called to this work and have spent decades unwraping what is essentially a gift from our Creator, at a time of gross apostacy.

The encoding of mathematics into the Bible is possible because Hebrew and Greek words can also be read as numbers, according to historically-attested schemes of alphabetic enumeration. I'm having trouble posting images from my little iPad here so I'll link to a series of Substack articles I posted a couple of years ago.

The Creation Triangle

Please note that the last article shows how Genesis 1.1 and John 1.1 contain accurate approximations of pi and e, the two most famous mathematical constants. I recently discovered gamma (y), the third most important mathematical constant, within Genesis 1.1, along with the speed of light (c) in the same verse, written millennia before these numbers meant anything to mankind.
 
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Thanks for sharing. I think that what you're sharing will need to be greatly simplified for regular folks to make sense of it.
 

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That's helpful for me to know. We get so engrossed in our work we can leave the layman behind, as I suppose, theologians can leave the average Christoan behind. I'm not a mathematician, although I do have a science background, so it's difficult to know how much people can absorb.

Much of the encoded material is pictorial, though, and from the text of Genesis 1.1 and John 1.1 a series of digital images can be created which are easy to follow. These two verses, one of which encodes pi, the other e (Euler's number), are in fact meant to be joined, even though they were composed centuries apart, because this message transcends time, place and language.

Here are the joined verses and the triangle they form. Note that it is the 112th triangular number and this is the numeric value of the Hebrew YHVH Elohim (the LORD God).

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Thanks Bill. I will say that, in my experience, trying to persuade atheists that God exists is extremely difficult. I believe that is due to spiritual blindness. It's sort of like showing a color chart to a blind person and asking them to identify a color. They simply cannot do it. Let's remember that the Bible says that faith is a gift from God. We can plant a seed but only God can give them faith.
 

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Yes, this information is mainly for people who already have faith, to edify and inspire them. I believe it can also be of help to those who are falling away from faith and those who are ready to take the leap of faith, but just need a little push.

It may even cause a crack in the wall of denial atheists have built around them. A chink of light may be enough to eventually bring that wall down around them. That was essentially my own journey. After attending Baptist church Sunday school as a boy I finally lost faith at the age of eleven (Ironically, it was because of a number: I couldn't believe that Methuselath could have lived for 969 years!). I was an atheist for over 25 years after that, but I slowly came to faith again, not the simple faith of my boyhood, because we can never go backwards, but a more adult understanding of God and Scripture.
 

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Isaac Newton did the same thing. He was a Christian too.
He did (and by happy coincidence my middle name is Newton), although he worked with equidistant letter sequences, prefiguring the well-known Torah codes. This information is new, highly geometric, and essentially began with the work of the late Vernon Jenkins in 1979. Vernon was a Welshman and a mathematics lecturer. His commision was given to him in church, when a member of his congregation began speaking in tongues. An interpreter told him he was goong to have a 'numbers ministry', which would be 'very successful'.
 

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He did (and by happy coincidence my middle name is Newton), although he worked with equidistant letter sequences, prefiguring the well-known Torah codes. This information is new, highly geometric, and essentially began with the work of the late Vernon Jenkins in 1979. Vernon was a Welshman and a mathematics lecturer. His commision was given to him in church, when a member of his congregation began speaking in tongues. An interpreter told him he was goong to have a 'numbers ministry', which would be 'very successful'.
I believer John Lennox is a contemporary of Vernon Jenkins. I wonder if they knew each other. I believe John Lennox is still alive, although very old.
 

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I believer John Lennox is a contemporary of Vernon Jenkins. I wonder if they knew each other. I believe John Lennox is still alive, although very old.
Vernon was head of mathematics and computing at the University of South Wales, so it's possible they did know each other. As far as I am aware, though, Lennox argues for faith on the basis of its rationality. Vernon found solid evidence that the Bible contains mathematics, much of which was unknown to man when the words were penned (with profound implications for the study of how God works in our lives). It's the difference between deductive reasoning (mathematical proof) and inductive reasoning (scientific evidence).

In fact these discoveries have elements of both, because they consist of evidence based on mathematics.
 
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A fundamental element of the mathematical code in the Bible is fractal geometry, unknown to the ancients but recently understood to influence natural forms, from snowflakes to clouds to life itself. This is encoded as the first steps towards the creation of the Koch snowflake and antisnowflake within Genesis. This is shown below. Note that both constructions are encoded as numbers within the verse (colour coded below), which is itself fractally encrypted. In fact I call Genesis 1.1 The Snowflake Generator.

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The figures on the left and right are the first steps (iterations) towards the Koch snowflake and antisnowflake, The underlying geometry in all kinds of natural forms.

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The Greek word Logos (word) is a beautiful example of a snowflake that has been taken two steps towards the Koch snowflake. It was named the Logos Star by its discoverer, Richard McGough.

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I find this subject of fractal properties and reoccurring shapes and structures within scripture fascinating. However, what does it really mean and say about the authenticity of scripture and the existence of your God?
 

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I find this subject of fractal properties and reoccurring shapes and structures within scripture fascinating. However, what does it really mean and say about the authenticity of scripture and the existence of your God

It has several related themes, although I can only give the briefest of overviews here.

Firstly, it says that the original writers could not have encrypted these numbers. Neither could later editors have inserted them, because large portions of the scriptures and certainly the first verses of Genesis and John were complete long before we understood what these numbers meant. The Dead Sea Scrolls contain a fragment of Genesis 1.1 which predates the Incarnation yet is letter-for-letter identical to the verse in the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensis, which is the standard version of the Hebrew Bible. All the mathematics in there was there when Jesus walked the earth, yet some of it was unknown at that time. For example Genesis 1.1 and John 1.1 together encode Alpha, the fine structure constant, unknown until the early 20th Century.

Secondly, The codes slowly accumulated over time, as the Bible was written, edited and translated in different lands, different times and in different languages. So it could not have been, say, given to us by passing aliens with a quantum computer (which would have been necessary for such an incredibly complex feat). It has no issue, therefore with the view that the Bible slowly evolved.

Thirdly, this only leaves two options, astronomically improbable coincidence, or a higher power existing in a plane beyond time and space, a power Christians understand to be "omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent". You are free to believe what you like about these codes, but scientific naturalism and philosphical materialism are refuted in one stroke. There are many other implications in fact, one being a resolution of the long-standing disagreements between Christians, Jews and Muslims about the status and authority of Jesus Christ.

Those of a more scientific bent may wish to see it is terms of David Bohm's notion of the implicate order and explicate order, The code was conceived in the implicate order (heaven) and slowly manifested in the explicate, our universe.

The code is not just there to dazzle, edify and inspire us with mathematical wonders (and books have already been written on this subject). It gives us a wider and deeper view of Creation and delivers a specific message for these times. But it's too early plunge into that. The groundwork first has to be lain.

The codes also link to and illustrate the words of the plain text. For example the highest concentration of fractal snowflakes is found within the Creation narrative, where God's creation of our fractal universe and fractal lifeforms within it are described.

The code also makes use of visual metaphors. Cor example the Most Holy Place within the Tabernacle, with the ark inside, is a model of a tesseract, the 4D analogue of a cube. The Day of Atonement is a symbolic union of male (high priest) and female (the tabernacle itself, the parts of which are named after the parts of a female). The ark itself is an ovum and the staff, tablets and manna represent the male generative parts. The ark threfore represents a zygote that will become a male, the result of the union. The parts also represent 4 spatal dimensions.

Manna/corners of ark = 0 dimensional point
Aaron's staff/edges of ark = 1 dimension
Tablets/sides of ark = 2 dimensions
chest of ark = 3 dimensions, with the cerubim reaching into the 4th dimension and the atonement cover symbolising Christ as the gate ( het in Hebrew) between heaven and earth.
Glory of the Lord = the 4th spatial dimension, God in heaven.

If you ever wondered where heaven actually is, it is in the 4th dimension, giving at least 5 dimensions if we include time.
 
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It has several related themes, although I can only give the briefest of overviews here.

Firstly, it says that the original writers could not have encrypted these numbers. Neither could later editors have inserted them, because large portions of the scriptures and certainly the first verses of Genesis and John were complete long before we understood what these numbers meant. The Dead Sea Scrolls contain a fragment of Genesis 1.1 which predates the Incarnation yet is letter-for-letter identical to the verse in the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensis, which is the standard version of the Hebrew Bible. All the mathematics in there was there when Jesus walked the earth, yet some of it was unknown at that time. For example Genesis 1.1 and John 1.1 together encoded Alpha, the fine structure constant, unknown until the early 20th Century.

Secondly, The codes slowly accumulated over time, as the Bible was written, edited and translated in different lands, different times and in different languages. So it could not, say, have been, say, given to us by passing alipens with a quantum computer (which would have been necessary for such an incredibly complex feat). It has no issue, therefore with the view that the Bible slowly evolved.

Thirdly, this only leaves two options, astronomically improbable coincidence, or a higher power existing in a plane beyond time and space, a power Christians understand to be "omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent". You are free to believe what you like about these codes, but scientific naturalism and philosphical materialism are refuted in one stroke. There are many other implications in fact, one being a resolution of the long-standing disagreements between Christians, Jews and Muslims about the status and authority of Jesus Christ.

Those of a more scientific bent may wish to see it is terms of David Bohm's notion of the implicate order and explicate order, The code was conceived in the implicate order (heaven) and slowly manifested in the explicate, our universe.

The code is not just there to dazzle, edify and inspire us with mathematical wonders (and books have already been written on this subject). It gives us a wider and deeper view of Creation and delivers a specific message for these times. But it's too early plunge into that. The groundwork first has to be lain.

The codes also link to and illustratethe words of the plain text. For example highest concentration of fractal snowflakes are found within the Creation narrative, where God's creation of our fractal universe and fractal lifeforms within it are described.

The code also makes use of visual metaphors. Cor example the Most Holy Place within the Tabernacle, with the ark insode, is a model of a tesseract, the 4D analogue of a cube. The Day of Atonement is a symbolic union of male (high priest) and female (the tabernacle itself, the parts of which are named after the parts of a female). The ark itself is an ovum and the staff, tablets and manna represent the male generative parts. The ark threfore represents a male. The parts also represent 4 spatal dimensions.

Manna/corners of ark = 0 dimensional point
Aaron's staff/edges of ark = 1 dimension
Tablets/sides of ark = 2 dimensions
chest of ark = 3 dimensions, with the cerubim reaching into the 4th dimension and the atonement cover symbolising Christ as the gate ( het in Hebrew) between heaven and earth.
Glory of the Lord = the 4th spatial dimension, God in heaven.

If you ever wondered where heaven actually is, it is in the 4th dimension, giving at least 5 dimensions if we include time.
This is a large subject to digest all in one setting I'm afraid. I am versed in mathematics of this kind and some of Mandelbrot's work. We can find these unique recyclable and fundamental shapes in nature, in many things besides the word of God. I remember programming fractal equates and code into computers at college, and designing and generating my own code for different designs at home as I was very curious...

So, as a general first conclusion, are you saying that the Spirit of God and his expression into this physical realm or dimension, his word, energized by his Spirit, expresses and communicates in this encoded fractal mathematics that you and other have discovered?
 

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The Bible is built on a Rock, all right. Mathematics is not His name.
God is beyond any description and I did not mean to suggest He is nothing more than a set of equations. Not at all. But just as we humans use language to communicate our thoughts, so God uses the universal language of mathematics to communicate His thoughts, coupling it toour own languages via systems of alphabetic numbering to communicate those thoughts. In doing so God has watermarked the Bible with a seal of authenticity.
 

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The encoding of mathematics into the Bible is possible because Hebrew and Greek words can also be read as numbers, according to historically-attested schemes of alphabetic enumeration. I'm having trouble posting images from my little iPad here so I'll link to a series of Substack articles I posted a couple of years ago.

The Creation Triangle
I have to admit by the third page I was starting to glaze over, but what amazing information! Thank you!

Much love!
 

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This is a large subject to digest all in one setting I'm afraid. I am versed in mathematics of this kind and some of Mandelbrot's work. We can find these unique recyclable and fundamental shapes in nature, in many things besides the word of God. I remember programming fractal equates and code into computers at college, and designing and generating my own code for different designs at home as I was very curious...

So, as a general first conclusion, are you saying that the Spirit of God and his expression into this physical realm or dimension, his word, energized by his Spirit, expresses and communicates in this encoded fractal mathematics that you and other have discovered?
We can indeed find fractals in nature, which is why these fractals and many more are found in the prologues of Genesis and John, which deal with creation by the word of God. Incidentally, man's works tend to be Euclidean. The difference between God's creation and man's creations is the difference between a magnificent old-growth forest and a dull city street. A telling exception is great works of art, which we call "inspired" and which have recently been shown to embody fractal patterns. An example is the opening statement of Beethoven's fifth symphony, which contains a recursive short-short-long pattern. The codes show that the Bible was inspired too and to a far greater degree than any symphony.

That answers your excellent question in fact. Yes, the Spirit of God, the Word, expresses itself through life and through inspired works of men and women.
 
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