The Bible Is Built on the Rock of Mathematics
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Sister-n-Christ
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The positions of each letter in the Hebrew Bible's opening verse have been arranged so as to encode the title 'The LORD God'. The Hebrew equivalent title is YHVH Elohim and it has been inserted into Genesis 1.1 in a remarkable way, employing the Hebrew letter Aleph. This is the first in their alphabet and is regarded as the 'father' of the other letters. Here is the encoding, found by Vernon Jenkins (Elohim) and myself (YHVH)
So for example, reading right to left, the second aleph is the ninth letter in Genesis, but the sixth letter after the first aleph. Hopefully that's clear.
This gives us the values of each individual name . . .
YHVH = 26
Elohim = 86
. . . and can be regarded as our heavenly Father's numerical signature on His masterpiece.
So for example, reading right to left, the second aleph is the ninth letter in Genesis, but the sixth letter after the first aleph. Hopefully that's clear.
This gives us the values of each individual name . . .
YHVH = 26
Elohim = 86
. . . and can be regarded as our heavenly Father's numerical signature on His masterpiece.
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It's an interesting question, whether or not God created mathematics, which is a purely formal system of ideas and could in principle be worked out by anyone at any time.
You could argue He did not create mathematics - it simply IS. 1+ 1 = 2 and all else follows. That doesn't restrict God in any way. In mathematics there are infinite dimensions, including infinite fractional dimensions, infinities beyond infinity, infinitesimally small quantities and imaginary numbers that turn out to be built into nature.
Some of myfellow researchers think that there are codes in the decimal digits of pi. But that is literally impossible, as I've tried to explain, because the digits of pi are generated according to fixed infinite series and could never be altered, even by God. The most that could be done there is to take advantage of certain numerical sequences within the digits, which are 3.141592654 . . . . to infinity and always will be so
But on the other hand, mathematicians, like mystics, prophets, writers, artists, scientists, etc, have done inspired work. Ramanujan said his theorems came from a Hindu goddess. Poincare wrote of a set of functions that came to him fully formed as he stepped on a bus. So in a sense mathematics is created.
shepherdsword
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Interesting, but I admit I struggle with the whole concept of hebrew gematria. It hints at occultic numerology. Not saying you are there with this method but if it turns into a predictive model then I see trouble. However, if it is used just to show mathematical formulas I don't have a problem
quietthinker
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The Bible Is Built on the Rock of Mathematics
Jesus is The Rock.The Rock that gushes water in a dry and weary land.
The Rock upon which the Church is built.
The Rock that becomes a mountain and fills the whole Earth.
The Rock which ensures the anchor holds. The Rock that the house which does not fall is built on.
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I understand and certain numbers have consciously been inserted into the text by the writers, the many instances of the number seven in Genesis being a well-known example. But this is mathematics, not Kabbalah, a Divine watermark through the text, not numerology (except in the broadest sense). The writers, editors and translators were totally unconscious of what they were doing, mere paintbrushes. The Artist was God, working through their unconscious minds to create a true masterwork, the greatest miracle since the Resurrection, a miracle anybody who cares to look can be a witness to - and thereafter rest in the knowledge that the Bible, though written by men, truly was inspired by God and can be considered to be the Word of God.
I agree. How's this for a rock then? This is the Trinity in Greek and Hebrew as strata within the rock that is triangle 6328, formed by summing the values of Genesis 1.1 (2701) and John 1.1 (3627) and a suitable metaphor for the eternal Trinity.
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I found what was buried in the Bible by its Creator. Some would rather it stayed buried, but it is a gift to us all, buried not in the spirit of a pirate burying treasure, but of a loving Father wrapping gifts for his children who have come of age.
Everything about these codes suggests the Trinity. If you look at my answer to quietthinker you will see a huge triangle formed from the numerical values of Genesis 1.1 and John 1.1, containing the Hebrew and Greek titles for each Person of the Trinity as strata within it.
The very use of triangulpar geometry suggests the Trinity. It's certainly possible that the writer of Genesis 1.1 might deliberately have encrypted the 73rd triangular number, since this was known, at least to the Greeks, in Biblical times, but being a monotheist the writer of Genesis and any later editors would certainly not have wished to suggest a Triune God.
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The signature you arrived at is that of the Father, the God of Jewish montheism; the Messiah’s God and Father.
What you’re calling the Trinity only looks like a triad to me.
That’s an important point you’re making. I hope others won’t rush past it. What you stated so well with this comment is the constraint of history.
The writer wasn’t a trinitarian, nor were any later editors. They wouldn’t have wished to suggest a Triune God. They’re Jewish monotheists - unitarians - and we must allow them to be what they are. We must understand them in the context of their belief which is expressed in their writings.
What @Bill Downie stated in post #31 aligns very well with what the Catholic writer Edmund J. Fortman said in his book, The Triune God: A Historical Study of the Doctrine of the Trinity.
“[The New Testament writers] give us in their writings a triadic ground plan and triadic formulas. They do not speak in abstract terms of nature, substance, person, relation, circumincession, mission, but they present in their own ways the ideas that are behind these terms. They give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons. But they do give us an elemental trinitarianism, the data from which such a formal doctrine of the Trinity may be formulated.
To study the gradual transition from an unformulated Biblical witness to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to a dogmatic formulation of a doctrine of the Triune God, we look first to the Eastern Church where most of this development took place.”
The NT writers were Jewish monotheists, just like the OT writers. We must allow them to be what they are. We must understand them in the context of their belief which is expressed in their writings. Fortman does that in his book.
The church gradually went beyond the Jewish monotheism of Israel and primitive Christianity over the course of a few centuries. This is basic church history. It should be taught in every church, and privately in homes.
“[The New Testament writers] give us in their writings a triadic ground plan and triadic formulas. They do not speak in abstract terms of nature, substance, person, relation, circumincession, mission, but they present in their own ways the ideas that are behind these terms. They give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons. But they do give us an elemental trinitarianism, the data from which such a formal doctrine of the Trinity may be formulated.
To study the gradual transition from an unformulated Biblical witness to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to a dogmatic formulation of a doctrine of the Triune God, we look first to the Eastern Church where most of this development took place.”
The NT writers were Jewish monotheists, just like the OT writers. We must allow them to be what they are. We must understand them in the context of their belief which is expressed in their writings. Fortman does that in his book.
The church gradually went beyond the Jewish monotheism of Israel and primitive Christianity over the course of a few centuries. This is basic church history. It should be taught in every church, and privately in homes.
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I can't do multiquote yet, soforgive the block reply here
I'm no theologian and I suspect this is more your territory. I have a geometric answer to your point, several triangles that are composed of the names of the Trinity. But to give it would put this out of sequence, like giving an answer to a university maths problem asked by a school student (if you'll also forgive the analogy - and I'm very much a student myself).
This is a weak answer, but I will say something others have probably mentioned in the past. The Hebrew name Elohim, the first name given for God, is the plural of Eloah. A Christian could possibly see this as a veiled reference to the Trinity. In Genesis 1.26 Elohim says "Let Us make man in Our image", so there is no doubting the plurality of Elohim. There is also the possibility that monotheism itself (although it can be traced back to Akhnaten in Egyot) was not the original belief system of the ancient Israeltes. Monotheism may have gradually developed among the Jews, just as Trinitarianism itself developed among the early Christians.
I’ve dealt elsewhere with the Hebrew word elohim (which is always plural in form but can be either singular or plural in meaning - God: singular vs. gods: plural) and Genesis 1:26 (which, as a Jewish monotheist who believes Jesus is the Messiah, I understand as the author of Genesis would have understood it) so I won’t go into that again in your thread.
What I find most appealing, and refreshing, in your presentation is that you don’t ignore the constraints of history. That’s seldom found on internet discussion forums. It makes you stand out in the crowd.
Well, as a Messianic Jew you might especially appreciate my next construction. It isn't found in the Hebrew Bible but the full Hebrew name and title equivalent to 'Jesus the Messiah' is Yehoshua HaMashiach.
The value of these words is 754 and this number of counters forms a triangle of conjoined stars, with structural properties implying the Hebrew and Greek names for 'the word' and 'word'.
shepherdsword
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You need to study the Jewish "two powers of heaven". It was very popular until the advent of Jesus Christ
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