The Bible is not “Gods Word.” It's simply "The Bible."

[Gottservant]

The Bible starts with the Spirit of God moving over the waters. It's not a big stretch of the imagination to infer, that He does so because He is desiring to possess something beneath it. Well so, if the Bible is inspired by this and God wishes to possess it (His Word), how is it not God's Word?

I think you should be cautious of the idea that the Bible is "clever", not inspired.

 

[Dash RipRock]

The Bible is not “Gods Word.”

Which of course explains WHY so many claiming to be Christians are deceived!

They go by feelings and emotions and wanting to be accepted by those that are popular instead of what God says in His Word.

It's like junior high school all over again!

The demonites and the devilites are teaching people to ignore what God says in His Word and the result is deception!

 

[Manasseh]

I would like to thank the OP for posting this. I'm not really sure how to express myself as I sit here alone on a beautiful afternoon, tears flowing from my eyes, contemplating just how much I love my Father, and His Holy Word, and how grateful I am for every breath of it.

By His Holy Word He created all that is. The Holy Word of God lives in the pages of the Holy Scriptures. His Holy Word came from Heaven to die and live again that I might do the same. His Holy Word lives in my heart and transforms me day by day, however slowly, into His own Image. His Holy Word keeps me and sustains me until the day that I see Him as He is, face to face. I only know this because His Holy Word revealed it.

It occurred to me, upon hearing such preposterous claims as were posted here, that however difficult it may have been at various times throughout the last 30 years to submit to the will of almighty God as revealed in the Holy Scriptures, I have seldom, if ever, seriously doubted that the Scriptures were indeed His Holy Word.

This nonsensical challenge to the authority of scripture, caused me to think deeply upon something that I had always taken for granted. I am truly overwhelmed at the moment, and exceedingly grateful, though I am certain, that that was not the intent behind this post.

So, much thanks, and may God be merciful to the man who dared to utter such blasphemy.

 

[Behold]

I would like to thank the OP for posting this. I'm not really sure how to express myself as I sit here alone on a beautiful afternoon, tears flowing from my eyes, contemplating just how much I love my Father, and His Holy Word, and how grateful I am for every breath of it.

By His Holy Word He created all that is. The Holy Word of God lives in the pages of the Holy Scriptures. His Holy Word came from Heaven to die and live again that I might do the same. His Holy Word lives in my heart and transforms me day by day, however slowly, into His own Image. His Holy Word keeps me and sustains me until the day that I see Him as He is, face to face. I only know this because His Holy Word revealed it.

It occurred to me, upon hearing such preposterous claims as were posted here, that however difficult it may have been at various times throughout the last 30 years to submit to the will of almighty God as revealed in the Holy Scriptures, I have seldom, if ever, seriously doubted that the Scriptures were indeed His Holy Word.

This nonsensical challenge to the authority of scripture, caused me to think deeply upon something that I had always taken for granted. I am truly overwhelmed at the moment, and exceedingly grateful, though I am certain, that that was not the intent behind this post.

So, much thanks, and may God be merciful to the man who dared to utter such blasphemy.

Isnt' is great to have the word of God, the Bible that shows us Jesus......shows us God......Shows us who we are so that we can go to The Cross and find God's Grace.
Isn't it fantastic to know that there is a word of God that is always TRUE, and we have this because God wants us to know Him, and His Son, and His Salvation.

Thank you GOD, for your awesome Holy Book, that is Light for Life and Spiritual Food for the born again, and is a Lighthouse that a sinner can find within a dark world... and receive from God, according to the word in THE BIBLE = Eternal Life.
Its all found in God's Holy Book.

Beware of people who would deny the book, refuse the book, lie about the book... avoid the book, and try to get You to not Trust the Book., as they are doing The Devil's work.

 

[MatthewG]

I would like to thank the OP for posting this. I'm not really sure how to express myself as I sit here alone on a beautiful afternoon, tears flowing from my eyes, contemplating just how much I love my Father, and His Holy Word, and how grateful I am for every breath of it.

By His Holy Word He created all that is. The Holy Word of God lives in the pages of the Holy Scriptures. His Holy Word came from Heaven to die and live again that I might do the same. His Holy Word lives in my heart and transforms me day by day, however slowly, into His own Image. His Holy Word keeps me and sustains me until the day that I see Him as He is, face to face. I only know this because His Holy Word revealed it.

It occurred to me, upon hearing such preposterous claims as were posted here, that however difficult it may have been at various times throughout the last 30 years to submit to the will of almighty God as revealed in the Holy Scriptures, I have seldom, if ever, seriously doubted that the Scriptures were indeed His Holy Word.

This nonsensical challenge to the authority of scripture, caused me to think deeply upon something that I had always taken for granted. I am truly overwhelmed at the moment, and exceedingly grateful, though I am certain, that that was not the intent behind this post.

So, much thanks, and may God be merciful to the man who dared to utter such blasphemy.

Can you show me where man has authority to thwart a bible around as though it is authority and not Yahavah himself?

Many times has the bible been manipulated time and time again through generation and generations to come it shall continue to be used for "admission" to what man says, and not truly what Yahavah through his Son had spoken. They miss it all together, and still to this very day use it to ones own advantage. Am I right, Am I wrong? Probably always one or the other most all the time.

 

[Behold]

Can you show me where man has authority to thwart a bible around as though it is authority and not Yahavah himself?

When a person loves the word of God and exalts it as the final authority, they are exalting the One who gave them His word.

The Holy Bible is not just a book..
Its words are "spirit and they are life"..

Eternal Life is found in the words of the Bible, as its in the Bible where we find Jesus on the Cross, and are told WHY.

 

[MatthewG]

When a person loves the word of God and exalts it as the final authority, they are exalting the One who gave them His word.

The Holy Bible is not just a book..
Its words are "spirit and they are life"..

Eternal Life is found in the words of the Bible, as its in the Bible where we find Jesus on the Cross, and are told WHY.

The Bible is a Material Book. With evidences for spiritual influences concerning Yahavah, and his dealings with mankind.

I just don't believe any person can go around wielding the bible around like a sword cutting peoples ears off.

Nothing more, nothing less. The Bible is the Bible. It does set the authority for the narrative of the context as a whole, however that authority is unable to be assertive on people as they must adhere to because someone says such a thing. Who is the final authority on matters? It's Yahavah. Not material book.

You can't just have spirit from material. It's completely separate and holy.

 

[Behold]

The Bible is a Material Book.

The Holy Bible is the word of God.
Jesus read from it, and stated that He is in it.

God wil preseve the words in the bible, "forever"...

With evidences for spiritual influences concerning Yahavah, and his dealings with mankind.

The words in the Holy Bible, are the ONLY way to Heaven, as : John 14:6
Accept no substitute.

I just don't believe any person can go around wielding the bible around like a sword cutting peoples ears off.

"you dont believe"......

so, Is that why you like to castigate the HOLY Bible with your disrespectful words?

Your Savior is found in the Pages of that BOOK............so you might realize this and show it something other then your continuiang disrepect, @MatthewG .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

But this verse "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" tells us that if we want to know Jesus we need to know scriptures.

Curious if I hold the bible in my hands, am I literally holding Jesus Christ in my hands? What gets me is our contradictions. What I always hear is It’s not spiritual but literal, until it is spiritual. Then we spiritualize it beyond the literal, which most say is a no-no. Especially if it is Spirit, it contradicts our man-made doctrines. Because for the word to be God, it is Spiritual.


Concerning the word became flesh and dwelt among us… even the words of the bible one could say became flesh and dwells among us. We are discussing the bible among us right now…is it flesh among us which one must eat? Is it Spiritual which one must eat? Meaning men took what was Spirit and turned it into flesh. How many ways do men make the bible pertain to the flesh? Even though His Words are Spirit, where even all the books in the world could not contain all that is written of Him. Personally I think that is pointing to what is written on the hearts by not pen and ink, but written of God, of the Spirit. Think about it …out of all the bibles written …so many versions and translations…what if God is revealing something amazing that all those printed versions in ink can not contain all that is and will be written of the Spirit in the heart. How God reveals it’s not a bound book with printer ink that is desirable for Him to write on by His Spirit, but the heart.

 

[MatthewG]

The Holy Bible is the word of God.
Jesus read from it, and stated that He is in it.

God wil preseve the words in the bible, "forever"...




The words in the Holy Bible, are the ONLY way to Heaven, as : John 14:6
Accept no substitute.




"you dont believe"......

so, Is that why you like to castigate the HOLY Bible with your disrespectful words?

Your Savior is found in the Pages of that BOOK............so you might realize this and show it something other then your continuiang disrepect, @MatthewG .

If you say so. What some may hold true to themselves, may not hold true to others. And that is okay with me. I see the Bible as the Bible. A useful spiritual guide for those who desire to seek to know Yahavah. That is where eternal life is founded, in knowing also the son Jesus Christ, whom he had sent. Amen.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Can you show me where man has authority to thwart a bible around as though it is authority and not Yahavah himself?

You've been shown these passages before and you are still being tricked by the devil in to denying what God has said and commanded to be put in to written form:

The biblical writers were not making stuff up and they were not writing their own thoughts.

2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Peter 1:21 - For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Revelation 19:10 - for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (God's Word is what 2 Peter 1:16-21 is speaking of)

2 Peter 1:21 is referring to that which Jesus (God's Word) has to say to mankind thru the written Word which is the oracles of God which came thru the descendants of Abraham

Romans 3:2 - because that unto them were committed the oracles of God

Hebrews 1:2 - Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13), and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

Those that believe they don't need God's Word or believe there's no need to judge what they are getting in the Spirit to see if it agrees with God's Word are sadly deceived by the devil.

The devil's MO can be found in how he deceived Adam and Eve in to not believing God's Word and those being tricked to discard what God said will regret doing so for all eternity in a place very very hot where they will be tortured


Matthew 7:24 -27 - Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Those claiming we don't need God's Word in written form are building their lives on sinking sand

 

[MatthewG]

Curious if I hold the bible in my hands, am I literally holding Jesus Christ in my hands? What gets me is our contradictions. What I always hear is It’s not spiritual but literal, until it is spiritual. Then we spiritualize it beyond the literal, which most say is a no-no. Especially if it is Spirit, it contradicts our man-made doctrines. Because for the word to be God, it is Spiritual.


Concerning the word became flesh and dwelt among us… even the words of the bible one could say became flesh and dwells among us. We are discussing the bible among us right now…is it flesh among us which one must eat? Is it Spiritual which one must eat? Meaning men took what was Spirit and turned it into flesh. How many ways do men make the bible pertain to the flesh? Even though His Words are Spirit, where even all the books in the world could not contain all that is written of Him. Personally I think that is pointing to what is written on the hearts by not pen and ink, but written of God, of the Spirit. Think about it …out of all the bibles written …so many versions and translations…what if God is revealing something amazing that all those printed versions in ink can not contain all that is and will be written of the Spirit in the heart. How God reveals it’s not a bound book with printer ink that is desirable for Him to write on by His Spirit, but the heart.

Yes, that is the thing about it. It's hearts of individuals.

There are many people who become the middle man before them and God themselves. And that they must be adhered too.

You know where that may come from "Because we are elders of the Church."

I don't get where any man has the Authority. It's just the self and God which is between themself and Yahavah.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Yes, that is the thing about it. It's hearts of individuals.

There are many people who become the middle man before them and God themselves. And that they must be adhered too.

You know where that may come from "Because we are elders of the Church."

I don't get where any man has the Authority. It's just the self and God which is between themself and Yahavah.

love
2 Corinthians 3:1 : Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some, letters of commendation to you or from you?

2 Corinthians 3:2 : You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men;

2 Corinthians 3:3 : being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
2 Corinthians 3:4 : Such confidence we have through Christ toward God.










What that says to me is if the bible has glory…what is written on the hearts exceeds in glory. Just considering that with …if people handled hearts with as much care and gentleness as they do the bible considering it’s on the heart as ^mentioned above you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God,
I’m going to have to let that sink in. “A Letter of Christ” “you are” “cared for by us” ….considering if people put half the time in caring for a letter of Christ which “you are” as they do cradling a bible and stroking it as what is cared for … going to have to think about that.


2 Corinthians 3:7 : But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was,

2 Corinthians 3:8 : how will the ministry of the Spirit(written in the heart) fail to be even more with glory?

 

[Dash RipRock]

Curious if I hold the bible in my hands, am I literally holding Jesus Christ in my hands?

No, you are holding in your hand that which God has said to mankind that God commissioned to be put in written form that Jesus oversaw being brought into written form by leading the biblical writers in what to write thru the Holy Spirit.

The devil is tricking people in to not listening to what God has said just like he did with Adam and Eve and the end result is being separated from the Lord for eternity.

 

[JohnDB]

Curious if I hold the bible in my hands, am I literally holding Jesus Christ in my hands? What gets me is our contradictions. What I always hear is It’s not spiritual but literal, until it is spiritual. Then we spiritualize it beyond the literal, which most say is a no-no. Especially if it is Spirit, it contradicts our man-made doctrines. Because for the word to be God, it is Spiritual.


Concerning the word became flesh and dwelt among us… even the words of the bible one could say became flesh and dwells among us. We are discussing the bible among us right now…is it flesh among us which one must eat? Is it Spiritual which one must eat? Meaning men took what was Spirit and turned it into flesh. How many ways do men make the bible pertain to the flesh? Even though His Words are Spirit, where even all the books in the world could not contain all that is written of Him. Personally I think that is pointing to what is written on the hearts by not pen and ink, but written of God, of the Spirit. Think about it …out of all the bibles written …so many versions and translations…what if God is revealing something amazing that all those printed versions in ink can not contain all that is and will be written of the Spirit in the heart. How God reveals it’s not a bound book with printer ink that is desirable for Him to write on by His Spirit, but the heart.

Don't confuse poetry and Spiritual....
Massive error.

The Spirit causes poetry....not Poetry Driving the Spiritual.

We MUST approach the scriptures with ALL soberness and respect for what they are. GOD'S direct speech to us using his favorite people.
Do not rewrite. Add to, or take away from scriptures....no editing using scissors or rewrites.

FEAR of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom....not careless emotion driven desires to warp what God has said to make it fit your emotions.

 

[Manasseh]

Can you show me where man has authority to thwart a bible around as though it is authority and not Yahavah himself?

Many times has the bible been manipulated time and time again through generation and generations to come it shall continue to be used for "admission" to what man says, and not truly what Yahavah through his Son had spoken. They miss it all together, and still to this very day use it to ones own advantage. Am I right, Am I wrong? Probably always one or the other most all the time.

Sure, right after you show me with what authority you deny that the scriptures are Gods Holy Word.

And BTW, who is this Yahavah of which you speak? Gods name is YHWH, or Yahweh, or just Yah, as declared by David in the Psalms.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Don't confuse poetry and Spiritual....
Massive error.

The Spirit causes poetry....not Poetry Driving the Spiritual.

We MUST approach the scriptures with ALL soberness and respect for what they are. GOD'S direct speech to us using his favorite people.
Do not rewrite. Add to, or take away from scriptures....no editing using scissors or rewrites.

FEAR of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom....not careless emotion driven desires to warp what God has said to make it fit your emotions.

With all due respect I don’t think I’m the one confusing poetry and Spirit. Lots of authors use metaphors. I can tell you how often I hear God’s Word reduced to “it’s only a metaphor”. Here and there it’s likened to even what some of the most famous writer could do, speak in metaphors. I’ve yet to read other authors give metaphors that give Life.

I’m not against reading the bible. But to me it’s more than metaphors. Does a metaphor have the power to give Life?

 

[MatthewG]

Sure, right after you show me with what authority you deny that the scriptures are Gods Holy Word.

And BTW, who is this Yahavah of which you speak? Gods name is YHWH, or Yahweh, or just Yah, as declared by David in the Psalms.

Just the same as those.
Don't know what you mean by your first question.
When it comes to the Bible, I trust the information that is founded with in it.

 

[ScottA]

So many people believe today that the Bible is considered either “Gods words or The Word of God.”

It’s not true… it’s a collective of God and his people their doings and happenings. It’s simply “The Bible.” Nothing more. If you disagree with an interpretation all of sudden you’re going against “Gods words or the word of God.” When all you are doing is disagreeing with an interpretation.

Why is that? Taught Tradition?

What you take out of it and use of it is at your discretion.

The Bible is not “Gods Word.” It's simply "The Bible."

The title of your thread was "The Bible is Not God's Word." I am saying to you that the Bible is God's word but not in a constant stream or conversation. It's pockets of who he is, his character, his personality, and his personal walk with mankind from Genesis to revelation. The Bible is God's...

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God calls His word His word, and that it is (Isaiah 55:11), for: "All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made" (John 1:3).​

The thing is, this is all His creation.

But as one caught up in the spirit and in His presence, it is my witness that the Bible is a collection of witness testimonies (not unlike my own), ultimately under the complete selection and providence of God Himself. I for one, could not have written of my own spirit what I myself have penned of His. By this I know that, as it is written, "whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit"--that was not I who spoke (Mark 13:11).

Which, for our time, Jesus clarified and confirmed, saying, "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you" (John 16:14).

 

[JohnDB]

With all due respect I don’t think I’m the one confusing poetry and Spirit. Lots of authors use metaphors. I can tell you how often I hear God’s Word reduced to “it’s only a metaphor”. Here and there it’s likened to even what some of the most famous writer could do, speak in metaphors. I’ve yet to read other authors give metaphors that give Life.

I’m not against reading the bible. But to me it’s more than metaphors. Does a metaphor have the power to give Life?

The bible was penned by men led by the Holy Spirit to convey thoughts and ideas to a decided and defined audience.

That audience was (at the latest) 2,000 years ago in a culture that has little resemblance to ours in a language that does not share the same construction or parts of speech.

The oldest was almost 6,000 years ago in an even more ancient culture and language that was verb based and metaphorical in nature. Not even close to a noun based language that English is. But that doesn't mean that it's not understandable for us today. That's what history and anthropology studies are for. They help us understand the metaphors written in scripture.

WHAT did God say to us? Is it not important? What does "The Word became flesh" mean?

If you don't know the Word you cannot know the flesh it became.

Logical conclusion in all reality. (Spirit and truth)