The Bible: One of the Believer's Biggest Problems

[theefaith]

... Don't be silly. Lots of people believe lots of errors, so Of course "an error can be believed!"

God cannot lie.
That is a real impossibility, but "no error can be believed" is untrue.



[PS. It is unwise to reject essential doctrines. ]


Says what Law?

I reject the concept and of essential doctrine!

we believe all God has revealed without error for salvation

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

 

[atpollard]

In post #75 I outlined a clear contradiction in Luke's resurrection narrative and have given fundamentalists about a week to respond. As expected, when confronted with that contradiction, the fundamentalists have frozen like Bambi in the headlights because they have no answer! So kindly abandon your mindless pontifications claiming the Truth OT has no legitimate point for discussion.

Sorry, I was away for a while and never saw your open challenge.

[Behold: "Objective errors ? You will show us misspelled words and your opinion regarding "original Koine greek", and "Original Extant manuscripts", when in fact the only originals are the Apostle's letters, and they dont exist.
So, you want to ERECT your strawman based on quoting your educational history, as if this proves you are the authority over the word of God.
This is your self anointing, waiting to be turned loose to awe us here?" really? Too funny."

You need to create a false strawman of what I mean by "objective error" to avoid the hard work of explaining this one error among many others that I'm about to lay out in response to your challenge. In Luke the women at Jesus' tomb are greeted by 2 angels and don't see the risen Jesus. Then they tell 2 disciples that they just saw angels there (24:23). But in Matthew (28:8-10) and John (20:11-15), the women see Jesus near the tomb. In Matthew, Jesus instructs the women to go, tell the disciples that they have seen Him and that they must go to Galilee to see Him there. In John Mary Magdalene sees the risen Jesus, who tells her to report to the disciples that she has seen Him.

Behold will now explain why Luke's version does not contradict Matthew and John's version. Not!

One quick question.
I can explain from the burial to telling the disciples (two clear events in all of the narratives), but the explanation requires some effort to "prove" that my opinions are verifiable from the Gospels themselves. It came about from an attempt to understand why one account said "one angel" and another account said "two angels" visible in the tomb. I am reluctant to waste a lot of effort if you don't really care about the answer (and I get the impression that you have already made up your mind).

So do you want a real explanation, or just a quick answer that you can reject and get back to mud slinging?

 

[amigo de christo]

... Don't be silly. Lots of people believe lots of errors, so Of course "an error can be believed!"

God cannot lie.
That is a real impossibility, but "no error can be believed" is untrue.



[PS. It is unwise to reject essential doctrines. ]


Says what Law?

Thee faith is in grave danger . Now , with that being said
it is a sin to not believe what GOD reveals . We cannot willfully reject truth .
As far as wha he said about essential doctrine should not be rejected . THAT IS TRUE .
But the problem is the CC has rejected essential doctrine and yet he follows their precepts .
That is the problem . Any man can come and say a truth , yet DO THEY themselves really FOLLOW TRUTH .
That is the question to be asked . And the CC has failed the souls of men .
Choose ye this day , to serve either twisted doctrines of men , or the absolute truth of GOD ,
as for the lambs WE GONNA CHOOSE the aboslute truth of GOD . THUS learn CHRIST and the orginal doctrine of the apostles in that bible .
For many men have come throughout the ages and have taught the worship of GOD through the precepts of men and have
led many to destruction . I say , Open bibles and let all that draws breath feed as a straved baby lamb on its mothers teet .
Cause we have us one heck of a delusion running its course and many men have and are leading many astray .
KNOW THY LORD . That means THE BIBLICAL ONE .

 

[amigo de christo]

I reject the concept and of essential doctrine!

we believe all God has revealed without error for salvation

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

There he goes again , pointing to the CC .
As for me i will point to Christ and the sound doctrine in that bible that they taught .
IN the end many are gonna find out they followed the precepts of dangerous men , NOT CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

How is that a contradiction? As as matter of fact the Jews were generally disobedient to God. But the Law was given by God through Moses and Moses was obedient (except for one instance). And while Moses was up on Mount Sinai receiving the tablets of stone, the Israelites were down below worshipping a golden calf!

There are NO contradictions in the Bible for the simple reason that God does not -- and cannot -- contradict Himself.

Jim is lacking understanding .
IF we listen to what JESUS taught , THEY claimed to FOLLOW MOSES . YET did they really follow moses .
JESUS said NO , FOR HAD YOU TRULY , TRULY BELEIVED MOSES YE WOULD HAVE BELIEVED ME
for HE wrote of me . THEY did not follow nor keep the law . Jesus rebukes them for this .
They often did contrary to the law . THEY DID NOT KEEP IT . THEY followed not MOSES .
they ONLY CLIAMED they did . THEY followed not abraham , TEHY ONLY CLAIMED TOO .
BUT JESUS KNEW their hearts . YOUR RIGHT the BIBLE does not contradict itself . ITS simply a lack of understanding
of the part of he or she who thinks so .

 

[atpollard]

I reject the concept and of essential doctrine!

we believe all God has revealed without error for salvation

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

I am a huge fan of the Athanatian Creed, but you are confusing Athanasius (who technically did not write the creed) with God. God breathes infallible scripture. Men offer (at best) inspired but fallible creeds and letters.

Here is the Creed you referenced:

Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith:


That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence.
For the person of the Father is a distinct person,
the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one,
their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.


What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has.
The Father is uncreated,
the Son is uncreated,
the Holy Spirit is uncreated.


The Father is immeasurable,
the Son is immeasurable,
the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.


The Father is eternal,
the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.


And yet there are not three eternal beings;
there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings;
there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.


Similarly, the Father is almighty,
the Son is almighty,
the Holy Spirit is almighty.
Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.


Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.


Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.


Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord,
so catholic religion forbids us
to say that there are three gods or lords.


The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone.
The Son was neither made nor created;
he was begotten from the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten;
he proceeds from the Father and the Son.


Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers;
there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.


Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller;
in their entirety the three persons
are coeternal and coequal with each other.


So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity
and their unity in their trinity.


Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.


But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.


Now this is the true faith:


That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.


He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.


Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however,
not by his divinity being turned into flesh,
but by God's taking humanity to himself.
He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence,
but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh,
so too the one Christ is both God and human.


He suffered for our salvation;
he descended to hell;
he arose from the dead;
he ascended to heaven;
he is seated at the Father's right hand;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
At his coming all people will arise bodily
and give an accounting of their own deeds.
Those who have done good will enter eternal life,
and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.


This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.​

NOTHING in this talks about mode of Baptism or a Law to believe everything that God has revealed in order to be saved (like the OP and YOU have claimed). It is mostly an affirmation of the Trinity of the Godhead and the work of Christ for our salvation (tagged on at the end).

 

[amigo de christo]

There is a saying that i have come to correct .
It goes like this , Know thyself and to thine own self be true .
They can keep that .
I say KNOW THY GOD and TO HIM BE TRUE . And when i say KNOW GOD , It had better be the biblical one and His Christ
Now , let all that draws breath praise the glorious and wonderous , the magnificent and Holy righteous LORD .

 

[theefaith]

[Behold: "Objective errors ? You will show us misspelled words and your opinion regarding "original Koine greek", and "Original Extant manuscripts", when in fact the only originals are the Apostle's letters, and they dont exist.
So, you want to ERECT your strawman based on quoting your educational history, as if this proves you are the authority over the word of God.
This is your self anointing, waiting to be turned loose to awe us here?" really? Too funny."

You need to create a false strawman of what I mean by "objective error" to avoid the hard work of explaining this one error among many others that I'm about to lay out in response to your challenge. In Luke the women at Jesus' tomb are greeted by 2 angels and don't see the risen Jesus. Then they tell 2 disciples that they just saw angels there (24:23). But in Matthew (28:8-10) and John (20:11-15), the women see Jesus near the tomb. In Matthew, Jesus instructs the women to go, tell the disciples that they have seen Him and that they must go to Galilee to see Him there. In John Mary Magdalene sees the risen Jesus, who tells her to report to the disciples that she has seen Him.

Behold will now explain why Luke's version does not contradict Matthew and John's version. Not!

how do you know Luke doesn’t simply have more detail covering more time the angels first then Jesus

not much of a contradiction

what about the virgin birth Isa 7:14 and Jesus is the son of Joseph Jn 1:45?

 

[theefaith]

There he goes again , pointing to the CC .
As for me i will point to Christ and the sound doctrine in that bible that they taught .
IN the end many are gonna find out they followed the precepts of dangerous men , NOT CHRIST .

the church is an extension of Christ to all nations for all ages

matt 28:19

 

[theefaith]

I am a huge fan of the Athanatian Creed, but you are confusing Athanasius (who technically did not write the creed) with God. God breathes infallible scripture. Men offer (at best) inspired but fallible creeds and letters.

Here is the Creed you referenced:

Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith:


That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence.
For the person of the Father is a distinct person,
the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one,
their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.


What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has.
The Father is uncreated,
the Son is uncreated,
the Holy Spirit is uncreated.


The Father is immeasurable,
the Son is immeasurable,
the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.


The Father is eternal,
the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.


And yet there are not three eternal beings;
there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings;
there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.


Similarly, the Father is almighty,
the Son is almighty,
the Holy Spirit is almighty.
Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.


Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.


Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.


Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord,
so catholic religion forbids us
to say that there are three gods or lords.


The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone.
The Son was neither made nor created;
he was begotten from the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten;
he proceeds from the Father and the Son.


Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers;
there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.


Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller;
in their entirety the three persons
are coeternal and coequal with each other.


So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity
and their unity in their trinity.


Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.


But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.


Now this is the true faith:


That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.


He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.


Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however,
not by his divinity being turned into flesh,
but by God's taking humanity to himself.
He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence,
but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh,
so too the one Christ is both God and human.


He suffered for our salvation;
he descended to hell;
he arose from the dead;
he ascended to heaven;
he is seated at the Father's right hand;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
At his coming all people will arise bodily
and give an accounting of their own deeds.
Those who have done good will enter eternal life,
and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.


This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.​

NOTHING in this talks about mode of Baptism or a Law to believe everything that God has revealed in order to be saved (like the OP and YOU have claimed). It is mostly an affirmation of the Trinity of the Godhead and the work of Christ for our salvation (tagged on at the end).

thanks

 

[theefaith]

The church is an extension of Christ!

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1


Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20



Jesus is the truth!

Jn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

To know the truth it is required to know Jesus Christ!

The truth is not some thing but somebody! Jesus Christ!

 

[theefaith]

The doctrine of the “Bible alone” or the “Bible is the only source of authority”

Deny’s the divine tradition: Christ teaching the apostles in person.

Deny’s the power of the Holy Spirit: to guide the apostles into all truth, Jn 16:13 and to governing the church. And be witnesses for Christ. Acts 1:8

Deny’s the apostolic tradition:
Authority to define scripture:
Authority to interpret scripture:
Authority to teach the entire divine revelation.

Denys the authority other than the “Bible alone! Including
Divine authority
Apostolic authority
angelic authority
Civil authority
Parental authority


Restricts the divine revelation and the word of God to scripture alone.

Provides no authority to know what is scripture.
Provides no authority to know what is not scripture.
Provides no authority to safeguard and protect scripture from errors.
Provides no authority to teach scripture without error.
Provides no authority to interpret scripture.

Reasons to oppose the doctrine of the “Bible alone”

Blind or illiterate and cannot read scripture. (Most people before the 20th century were illiterate)
Rare & Expensive (even after the printing press)
Faith comets by hearing not reading.


The Bible alone does not teach the doctrine of the “Bible alone”.

Biblical reference to authority other than the Bible alone.
Matt 16:18-19
Matt 18:18
Matt 28:18-20
Matt 18:17
Jn 20:21-23
Acts 2:42
Acts 8:31
1 Tim 3:15


When God called abram, Moses, the prophets, John the Baptist, and apostles it was not by the “Bible alone” Lk 3:2 the word of God came to John in the wilderness… a book did not fall out of the sky.


There is no list of scripture in scripture!

How does a person know what books, chapters, and verses are scripture and which ones are not?


The word of God is not limited to the “Bible alone”!

The word of God came to Abraham, to Moses, the prophets, and to John the Baptist in the wilderness (Lk3:2) but it did not come by the Bible, or the “Bible alone” not by any book, chapter, or verse!


Scripture all scripture is inspired, all the books and chapters of the canonical scripture authorized by Christ and His church!

The teaching authority of the apostles is the God breathed word of God!

Jn 20:23 He breathed on them (the apostles) and said receive the Holy Spirit…

Lk 10:16 he who hears you (the apostles) hears me. (Hears the word of God)

Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, I send you.

Acts 2:42 the doctrine of the apostles is the word of God!

Matt 28:18-20

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

1 Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ

1 Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

(The apostles received the word of God and handed it down to us, partly in the scripture)

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

All scripture is inspired! 2 Tim 3:16
(Not only 66 books with missing chapters)

2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.

Did the apostle John possess the truth? Or only when He wrote it down did it become the truth?

Is what He taught only mere human tradition of men? But what He wrote was the inspired word?

Why is there joy complete in the person of the apostle?


The doctrine of the “Bible alone”
or that the church believes by the “Bible alone” is a heresy!


The truth is revealed by God thru Christ and taught by His church with the unity of the spirit and obedience of faith! Jude 1:3 Matt 28:19
One shepherd & on flock!
Jn 10:16


Scripture challenge!

Show me from or in “the Bible alone”?

1) a list (not contents) of the Ten Commandments.

2) what things is Lk 1:49 referring to.

3) what Christ commanded his apostles in Matt 28:20

4) a list of scripture (books chapters) in scripture?



Not in Bible not important
Acts 8 the eunuch had scripture, God sent an apostle to teach him!
Lk 3:2 the word of God came unto John in the wilderness, a book did not fall out of the sky!
Jn 21:25 many more things than those in scripture!
2 Jn 1:12 the apostle in person makes their joy complete not scripture!


Essential doctrine:
Some doctrines are necessary and some are not is error, it is unlawful and forbidden to reject a truth revealed by God, who can neither deceive or be deceived.

Examples of oral tradition! (Teaching)

Peter speaks at Pentecost acts 2
Paul speaks at Athens acts
Even Christ teaching the divine revelation to His apostles in person.

WHEN???

When did it become divine revelation?
When did it become the inspired word of God?

When it was Spoken by Christ to His apostles?

When it was taught by the apostles?

When it was Written down decades latter?

When it was canonized by the supreme Roman pontiff in 381?

When did it become the inspired word of God?

If only when written down (Bible alone) then when it was spoken it should have been rejected as mere human tradition or the tradition of men, and therefore they would not possess the truths revealed by God and could not write scripture!

If you believe the false doctrine of the “Bible alone is the only authority” then you must reject the authority of Christ and His apostles!

It is an error to believe that the office or authority of the apostles ended with the apostle John and public revelation, revelation was complete with the apostle John but the teaching authority or office of the apostles must continue till the return of Jesus Christ! Matt 28:19-20 I am with you (the apostles) unto the end of the world.

Tongues of fire at Pentecost represent the light of divine Truth and the fire of divine Love!

The apostles possessed the Authority of Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit in their persons! Acts 1:8 2 Jn 1:12










Questions about the doctrine of the “Bible alone” or the “Bible is our only authority”?

How can we know what is scripture?

How can we know what is not scripture?

How can we safeguard and protect scripture from errors?

Who has authority to teach scripture without error?

Where does scripture say: “the Bible alone”?

Why does scripture support tradition? The teaching authority of the apostles?

Who has authority to Authentically interpret scripture?

Where does it say the word of God is limited to the “Bible alone”?

Why does scripture teach the authority of Christ in His church in the persons of the apostles?
AKA The Apostolic Tradition (teaching)

 

[amigo de christo]

the church is an extension of Christ to all nations for all ages

matt 28:19

The CHURCH is THE BODY of CHRIST . i fully agree . But the CC aint IT my friend .
GO and learn thy bible well . Feast upon the pages of the bible and pray to GOD IN JESUS NAME
for learning and for wisdom . HURRY , the CC has truly become a den of thieves .
I dont know exactly when it occured . Cause i can only go so far back into history .
I can say from at least the time of constantine IT HAD SOLD OUT .
Before that i dont know . FLEE HER . HURRY thee faith . I warn us all TIME is running out .
And also no man knows the hour of their own death . We will be praying for you . But you
need to start listening .

 

[amigo de christo]

Its just as i feared . No man can type that fast . THEE faith is getting his cues from the CC . HE is not thinking for himself .
I can type kind of quick and there is no way i could type up both those pages in one minute.
THEE faith has not learned for himself . HE has learned through the lens of men .

 

[amigo de christo]

Thee faith doesnt know the bible . HE knows only how to respond by cue cards .
NO way anyone can type that fast . Course i knew this all along .
HE brings many scrips that were already put together by the CC , and uses the verses
to try and justify HIS CHURCH . BUT HE has not learned for himself .
Thee Faith is not defending THE FAITH . GO and read the bible for yourself . HURRY .

 

[theefaith]

The CHURCH is THE BODY of CHRIST . i fully agree . But the CC aint IT my friend .
GO and learn thy bible well . Feast upon the pages of the bible and pray to GOD IN JESUS NAME
for learning and for wisdom . HURRY , the CC has truly become a den of thieves .
I dont know exactly when it occured . Cause i can only go so far back into history .
I can say from at least the time of constantine IT HAD SOLD OUT .
Before that i dont know . FLEE HER . HURRY thee faith . I warn us all TIME is running out .
And also no man knows the hour of their own death . We will be praying for you . But you
need to start listening .

tomorrow is Good Friday
Are you making the stations?

 

[Glen55]

When your reminded the quote of the Greatest born of woman was called least to least in heaven is needed is what the term of woman can mean, was it is called covenant with first one that was based on old wine that wasn't for rebirth called Mother of all reborn, it's term was always about your younger rebirth always overcomes its older being flesh and blood called a body of dust, a very Spiritual seed we all have not a babe till you at least thinking christ in you, babes are least awake but still born again compared with great first born still only looking and waiting for christ to come outside. Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.