Shalom, pom2014.
pom2014 said:
Heart, the kingdom is within you. Stop trying to look outside for comfort.
You're already home.
Sorry, but that is a
BAD interpretation of Luke 17:21!
Luke 17:20-21
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
KJV
People have misused and abused this verse for centuries! That is
NOT what Yeshua` was saying! First of all, the Greek words are “
hee basileia tou Theou entos humoon estin.” The word “
entos”
CAN mean “within,” but it can also mean “among.” Look to whom He was talking! He was
NOT talking to His disciples at the time; He was talking to the
P’RUSHIYM - the
PHARISEES! Surely, you’re not implying that He was saying the Kingdom of God was within
THEM, are you? Furthermore, the word “
humoon,” spelled “
upsilon-mu-omega-nu,” is the
PLURAL word meaning “you!” (I use “
o” for
omicron and “
oo” for
omega.) It’s like “y’all” to those of us in the South! He wasn’t saying that the Kingdom was
INSIDE of each one of them; He was saying that the Kingdom was
AMONG THEM as a
GROUP! How was that possible? It’s because the Kingdom is only to be found in the presence of the
KING! Since
HE was there among their group, then so was the potential for His Kingdom ...
TEMPORARILY! However, they chose to reject Him, and thus, He rejected them, and they lost their chance of receiving His Kingdom at that time.
Notice two things: First, Yeshua` is
NEVER called a “king,” except in prophetic scripture. He is always called “the Messiah” (or “the Messias”) or “the Christ!” Those words, the first a transliteration from the Hebrew and the second a transliteration from the Greek, both mean that He is
ANOINTED/PAINTED/CHOSEN/SELECTED by GOD to become the King, just as David was anointed and S
moh (Solomon) was anointed before they became king! He was
SUPPOSED TO BE their King, and was named such at both His birth (Matthew 2:2) and His death (Matthew 27:37), but the elders of His own tribe, Yhudah or Judah, would not accept Him as such.
Second, the disciples
KNEW that the Kingdom was not yet in place when Yeshua` was taken away from them!
Acts 1:6-11
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven (the sky) as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven (the sky)? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven (the sky), shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven (the sky).
KJV
His answer was simply, “It’s not for you to know; that’s
GOD’S business.” They got their answer when He rose into the sky! “Nope. Not yet."
Recall His parable:
Luke 19:11-28
11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.
KJV
Thus, Yeshua` will bring His Kingdom
WITH HIM when He returns! We’re not “home” until the Messiah returns and becomes King here on this earth!
_______________
Shalom, ATP.
ATP said:
So I guess the events that occurred to the Jewish
people have no relevance either?
1. 162-163 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and Feast of Tabernacles; coincided at the height of the worst persecution of Jews and Christians in the history of the Roman Empire. Thousands were martyred in Rome's arenas. Rome was suddenly flooded by the Tiberas River in the spring of 162 AD, leading to severe famine and a plague that killed 1/3 of the Roman Empire's population. Prophetic significance: Jews remain scattered.
2. 795-796 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur; coincided with King Charlemagne of the Holy Roman Empire establishing a buffer zone between France and Spain which halted Islamic invasions into Western Europe. This was a key turning point in spread of Christianity in Europe and stability of Jews in the region. Prophetic significance: Jews remain scattered.
3. 842-843 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur; coincided with the break-up of the Carolingian Empire in Europe, weakening the position of Jews in Europe and setting the stage for their future persecution. This also led to Rome being sacked and the Vatican being looted by Islamic armies. Prophetic significance: Jews remain scattered.
4. 860-861 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles; coincided with the Greeks of the Byzantine Empire permanently stopping the Islamic invasion of Eastern Europe. This kept Islam confined to Asia Minor and the Middle East, allowing the continued spread of Christianity in Europe, thus allowing Jews to live in relatively security. Prophetic significance: Jews remain scattered.
5. 1493-1494 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Trumpets; coincided with the Spanish Inquisition when the King of Spain ordered all Jews to leave the country. The Jews had settled in the region about 200 AD and thus Spain became a second Jewish homeland. This also coincided with Christopher Columbus' discovering of America, which is home today for more than 5 million Jews outside Israel. Prophetic significance: Jews remain scattered.
6. 1949-1950 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles; coincided with (1) the rebirth of Israel as an independent nation on May 14, 1948, (2) the winning of the Israeli War for Independence and the first official permanent government on January 25th, 1949, and (3) the Knesset passing the "Law of Return" on July 5, 1950 which gave Jews the right to settle in Israel and obtain citizenship . Prophetic significance: Jews regathered, Israel a nation.
7. 1967-1968 AD - Occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles; coincided with the "6-Day War" of June 5-10, 1967 with Israel retaking of Jerusalem and capturing critical portions of land including Judea, Samaria, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank and the Golan Heights. Prophetic significance: Jews regathered, Israel a nation, Jerusalem regained.
8. 2014-2015 AD -
Stan J says: Jesus said no man would know the HOUR or the DAY, so all I can say is your sense of anticipation was just like butterflies in your stomach. The rapture will indeed happen but as to when, ONLY God knows.
ATP says: Actually, that's not true. We can know the hour and day of rapture. Matt 24:36 is not about believers not knowing, it's all about nonbelievers not knowing.
Those are all significant events, but did the position of the sun and moon really have anything to do with them? Are you trying to convince me that there’s something real to astrology?
It’s
GOD who made these events significant, not the position of the sun and the moon! He
MAY decide to do something significant with 2014-2015 as well, but it’s not because there’s some “alignment of the sun and moon!” He just as well
MAY NOT decide to do something! It’s
HIS prerogative, and
HE will decide!
StanJ is correct. There’s nothing in the context of Matthew 24:36 that limits the “no man” to “no unbeliever!"
Matthew 24:36-37
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
KJV
The parallel passage in Mark adds this information:
Mark 13:32
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
KJV
So, are you telling me that you know more than the Son of God does?
