The Blood Of Jesus
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Yes it was finished on the cross, and that is why Christ declared triumphantly "It is finished". Jesus was the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the world (John 1:29). And that was perfectly accomplished on the cross. Everything subsequently was a result of the finished work of redemption at the cross. Therefore there is no more sacrifice for sins.
And therefore the Catholic Mass is a repudiation of the finished work of Christ. The priest supposedly sacrifices Christ every time he makes that bloodless sacrifice in the Mass. And that violates Scripture and the finished work of Christ.
That is really what all of scripture is directing us to. To see him who is who is the truth of God. The person, not actions, or words, or beliefs, or deeds. Those things will come from knowing the truth, so to say. Scripture is clear in saying 'we shall know the truth.' And we have to take that as the person of Christ in us the hope of glory! Because he is truth! Not what I believe.
Davy
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If that were true, that the 'sin nature' is no more after believing on Lord Jesus, then why... did Lord Jesus say to pray that part in red below?...
Luke 11:1-4
11 And it came to pass, that, as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, one of His disciples said unto Him, "Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples."
2 And He said unto them, "When ye pray, say, Our Father Which art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
KJV
Obviously, according to Lord Jesus, we can still sin even after having believed on Jesus. Apostle John shows this in 1 John 1 also.
What was Apostle Paul really saying then, when he spoke that we should reckon ourselves dead to sin under Christ? He didn't say we could no longer sin. Reckoning ourselves dead to sin is one thing, still being able to commit sin is another.
Rom 6:7-13
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
The reason why the above is so, is because it is our flesh that causes most of our sins.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over Him.
10 For in that He died, He died unto sin once: but in that He liveth, He liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The Greek for "reckon" means to 'impute, suppose, reason, think on'. It means to consider ourselves buried and raised in newness of life with Lord Jesus. That is about our spirit-soul that receives that newness while inside our flesh, it is not about our flesh. Our flesh is still able to sin, and this is what Paul then warns...
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
KJV
Paul would not have said that, "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey the lusts thereof", if he meant we cannot sin anymore after having believed on Jesus Christ.
Those men who preach that we cannot sin anymore after believing on Lord Jesus Christ are preaching against God's written Word, because they leave out Apostle Paul's warning against continued sin for believers.
Brethren, it is so... easy to take a passage(s) in God's Word, and leave out others that goes with it, and create a whole new theme and doctrine. But it won't be a real Christian doctrine taught in God's Word, because God's Word doesn't leave the verses out those men do.
Why then would the devil love that false doctrine that those in Christ cannot ever sin again? It ought to be easy to figure out. It's because the devil wants... us to keep on sinning. And that is exactly what will happen if we just disregard the works of the flesh we may commit, which means to still sin. I see many brethren on the OSAS doctrine that are told they can no longer sin do exactly that, sin left and right with absolutely no regard for it whatsoever! That is not how Apostle Paul taught for us in Christ to live. He warned against that behavior (see 1 Timothy 1).
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Believers either see it or they don't. They either divide soul and spirit or take a multitude of scripture to prove points on both sides. Age old aguement that gives the believer no solid foundation.
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I'm not sure if the lusts of the flesh flee away when we are born of the Spirit?
After all, as has just been said, why did Jesus tell us to pray for the forgiveness of our sins?
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'That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.'
(Joh 3:6)
Hello @soul man,
As you will agree, the Believer on the Lord Jesus Christ consists of both flesh and spirit. In Christ we have two natures at work within us.
'The Flesh' (John 3:6): - 'cannot please God' (Romans 8:8). 'It profiteth nothing' (John 6:63).
'The Natural Man' (1 Corinthians 2:14):- 'receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God'.
'The Old Man' (Ephesians 4:22):- 'is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts' .
'The Outward Man' (2 Corinthians 4:16):- 'perishes' .
'The Heart' (Jeremiah 17:9):- is, 'deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked'. (Matthew 15:19).
'The Carnal Mind' (Romans 8:7-8):- is, 'enmity against God', Genesis 6:5, Isaiah 55:8.
'SIN' - The Root. (Romans 5:12-8:39) sins are it's fruit.
* These are all the names given to The Old Nature in Scripture.
* It's end is death. The Flesh, and all that pertains to it, its religion and its ungodliness, its virtue and its vice, all end in death. All is for time, and not for eternity. (1 Corinthians 15:22; Romans 8:6; Romans 7:24; Genesis 3:19)
* The Old Nature is not eradicated, but it is disempowered. The sinful nature remains, the change is in our standing before God. We now stand on a different plane: 'we walk by faith'; and by faith we reckon that, though the flesh is in us, we are 'not in the flesh'; and, in spite of the fruits which we see from time to time, we believe God when He tells us that the tree, in His sight, is condemned. A new graft has been put in, which can only produce 'fruit unto God'; while all that is produced from the old stock (below the graft) is worthless, and is cut away as such by the great Gardener's hand. We are His 'husbandry'. He grafts in us the new nature; and we believe Him which He tells us of all the wonders of the work which He has accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
The Two Natures in the Child of God
http://www.markfoster.net/rn/two_natures_in_the_child_of_god.pdf
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'For this is My blood of the new testament,
which is shed for many for the remission of sins.'
(Matthew 26:28)
'For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood,
to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,
through the forbearance of God;
To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness:
that He might be just,
and the justifier of Him which believeth in Jesus.'
(Rom 3:23)
'But God commendeth His love toward us,
in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Much more then, being now justified by His blood,
we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.'
(Rom 5:8-10)
'To the praise of the glory of His grace,
wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.
In whom we have redemption through His blood,
the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace;'
(Eph 1:6-7)
'Giving thanks unto the Father,
Which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Who Hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
and Hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through His blood,
even the forgiveness of sins:
(Col 1:12-14)
'For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fulness dwell;
And, having made peace through the blood of His cross,
by him to reconcile all things unto Himself;
by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works,
yet now hath He reconciled
In the body of His flesh through death,
to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in His sight:
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled,
and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard,
and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven;
whereof I Paul am made a minister;'
(Col 1:19-23)
Hello @soul man,
What wondrous things have been achieved by the blood of Christ, aren't there? and there are more verses which could have been quoted, but this last quote from Colossians has warmed my heart as much as any, for it shows that the Lord Jesus Christ, through His death, has been able to present us holy and without blame before the Father, and we now stand (in Him) unreproveable in His sight.
* It is our standing before God that has been changed.
Praise His Holy Name!
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
which is shed for many for the remission of sins.'
(Matthew 26:28)
'For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood,
to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,
through the forbearance of God;
To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness:
that He might be just,
and the justifier of Him which believeth in Jesus.'
(Rom 3:23)
'But God commendeth His love toward us,
in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Much more then, being now justified by His blood,
we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.'
(Rom 5:8-10)
'To the praise of the glory of His grace,
wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.
In whom we have redemption through His blood,
the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace;'
(Eph 1:6-7)
'Giving thanks unto the Father,
Which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Who Hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
and Hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through His blood,
even the forgiveness of sins:
(Col 1:12-14)
'For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fulness dwell;
And, having made peace through the blood of His cross,
by him to reconcile all things unto Himself;
by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works,
yet now hath He reconciled
In the body of His flesh through death,
to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in His sight:
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled,
and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard,
and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven;
whereof I Paul am made a minister;'
(Col 1:19-23)
Hello @soul man,
What wondrous things have been achieved by the blood of Christ, aren't there? and there are more verses which could have been quoted, but this last quote from Colossians has warmed my heart as much as any, for it shows that the Lord Jesus Christ, through His death, has been able to present us holy and without blame before the Father, and we now stand (in Him) unreproveable in His sight.
* It is our standing before God that has been changed.
Praise His Holy Name!
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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'Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more;
death hath no more dominion over Him.
For in that He died, He died unto sin once:
but in that He liveth, He liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,
but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body,
that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin:
but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead,
and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
For sin shall not have dominion over you:
for ye are not under the law, but under grace.'
(Rom 6:9-14)
Praise God!
death hath no more dominion over Him.
For in that He died, He died unto sin once:
but in that He liveth, He liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,
but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body,
that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin:
but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead,
and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
For sin shall not have dominion over you:
for ye are not under the law, but under grace.'
(Rom 6:9-14)
Praise God!
Davy
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Yeah, a true believer sees right through the doctrine of men you're pushing. It's a lie that we cannot sin anymore after having believed on Lord Jesus, and I revealed that fact from what Apostle Paul said. So one may choose to listen to Apostle Paul or not. I choose to heed what Paul said in that Romans 6 chapter.
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