The Case for Eternal Security

[BarneyFife]

What a despicable post! Show me in any of my posts on this forum where I said that it's all good for a born again believer to go out and start molesting children and smoking crack etc.. You have an extreme view of OSAS that I do not hold to. I actually prefer to use the terms eternal security of the believer or preservation of the saints because of such radical, extreme views that people like you attach to OSAS. There is nothing comical about your sarcasm or your slander. You should have asked me what my views are in regard to OSAS before you jumped to conclusions with your false accusations which were unwarranted.

Hi, Dan! Long time no see!

Believe me when I say, DC's sole purpose for being here is to serve as the Howard Stern of CyB. He loves nothing better than to see anyone who doesn't belong to his "Whole Counsel Of God" (yeah, I know it's in the Bible) Lone Ranger religious club well-disgusted. If it seems like I'm being too harsh, then let me just say that once in a great while he (likely) accidentally says something insightful. I've never seen such a bad-faith participant since I started here, and that's no exaggeration. His bigotry and hubris know virtually no bounds. I have no idea how he gets away with his shenanigans. That I'm so comfortable saying all this is quite surreal, actually.

 

[Lambano]

 

[BarneyFife]

Well said.

I try, but you know...

(But you liked it )

 

[mailmandan]

No, the OSAS peoples don't say that in so many words.... although I'm hearing a few actually are.

But what they DO says is that once someone gets born again they can never ever lose their salvation causing many to stumble because they think they can go back to sinful living and it's all good because after all they are being falsely taught that it's impossible to lose their salvation

Your boy gnarly Charlie Stanley which the OSAS peoples claim to be an icon of the OSAS doctrine, a leading authority on eternal security literally claimed one can live in sin and even forsake their faith altogether and still be saved!

In his book, Eternal Security, Stanley says

"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy” (Chapter 10, p. 93)

“Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself” (p. 94).

“Believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful” (p. 94)

You claim to be a part of the OSAS community so own it!

It's not slander when it's true.

Maybe you should quit identifying as a OSAS or eternal security proponent and embrace the whole counsel of God instead View attachment 63460Hey you are the one going around claiming to be a proponent of this doctrine, so you are stuck with their teachings

Maybe you should stop jumping to conclusions and painting ALL Christians in the OSAS camp as promoting a license to sin. I know numerous folks in the OSAS camp, who do not promote that extreme view. I believe in OSAS from the perspective of eternal security of the believer, preservation of the saints and that is only IF one is truly saved to begin with. I believe in eternal security of the believer, but I don't believe in eternal presumption.

There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" or pseudo Christians. There are genuine believers, and there are make believers. You do not infallibly know the hearts of all men. Only God does so you need to stop painting everyone who believes in eternal security of the believer with a broad brush of embracing your extreme, radical view of OSAS then automatically judging and condemning them as promoting immorality.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

His bigotry and hubris know virtually no bounds

Yeah yeah we know... those who aren't members of the SDA social club are "bigots"

 

[Gottservant]

If you break the key in the lock, while the door is unlocked: you can hate the Door all you want, but it won't change the fact that the door is unlocked.

Fortunately no one is so foolish as to have the Devil board the door up, simply because they've been hated for using it - at least, as far as someone who has known God is concerned.

Knowledge makes it very hard to deny something, that is already and finally inevitable (selah).

 

[Dan Clarkston]

If you break the key in the lock, while the door is unlocked: you can hate the Door all you want, but it won't change the fact that the door is unlocked.

Fortunately no one is so foolish as to have the Devil board the door up, simply because they've been hated for using it - at least, as far as someone who has known God is concerned.

Knowledge makes it very hard to deny something, that is already and finally inevitable (selah).

In other words... how much wood could a wood chuck chuck IF a wood chuck could chuck wood?

 

[BarneyFife]

Yeah yeah we know... those who aren't members of the SDA social club are "bigots" View attachment 63497

No, even—and I'd go so far as to say especially—Adventists who commonly exhibit bigotry are safely deemed "bigots."

That's probably quite confusing to you, I'd imagine.

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[Dan Clarkston]

That's probably quite confusing to you, I'd imagine.

God is not the author of confusion so I'll leave you SDA peoples... to your confusion.

 

[St. SteVen]

God is not the author of confusion so I'll leave you SDA peoples... to your confusion.

Who are you to talk? - LOL

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[Dan Clarkston]

Who are you to talk? - LOL

Who are you to talk? - LOL

God is not the author of confusion and the SDA people definitely be a confused bunch