THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST
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All I was saying was the verses you gave in John was directed to his disciples not us
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The simplist arguments are the hardest to refute because they are too plain in sight to be misunderstood.
Doug, has been shown the errors in his theology yet continues on as if they have not been exposed for all to see that still have eyes that can see and ears that can still hear.
Of course the deaf and blind cannot as they have already been deceived by false teachers.
I'm not picking on Doug as this is common on forums. Folks are shown their beliefs have contradictions, inconsistencies and dont even have one scripture that mentions their doctrine like praying to the dead for example.
Heres one obvious reason Doug's interpretation is built upon sinking ground.
Ephesians 4:4-5, Paul says it so plain you have to put effort in to misunderstand him!!!!
ONE, ONE, ONE, ONE
Since Paul states there is ONE faith(gospel).
Then can there be two?
If I claim there are two faith's then have I not disagreed with Paul? Am I not contradicting Paul?
If Paul were here today gave a public teaching to us and said, there is ONE gospel.
Do you think anyone in the audience would stand up any say, " well there's actually two Faith's Paul".
I know Dougs reasoning is, during Paul's ministry when the epistle to the Ephesians was written there is one faith but in the past there was another gospel preached by Peter.
Ok, then by that reasoning I can also reason,
There can be more than ONE Spirit, more than ONE calling, more than ONE baptism etc.
More than ONE Lord!!!
If ONE doesn't really mean ONE except for what Paul is stating at the time of this epistle, then
One can argue there can be more than one of the others.
If not why not?
What should be so obvious about this entire doctrine is this,
Not once in the entire Bible does it say in the time of the new testament will there be two gospels.
Not one verse in the entire new testament with the word gospel(s).
That's awfully odd if there is gospels from diferent apostles.
Paul said he preached my gospel referring to his ministry, Romans 16:25
But Paul also said his gospel was our(we) gospel,
Galatians 1:8,
- but though we preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you let him be accursed
Paul includes the other apostles in his ONE gospel.
Paul even said in his epistle to the Galatians that he currently meamning during the time period he wrote the Galation epistle that he now preaches the gospel he once tried to destroy.
The gospel he now preaches , in his past before his conversion, he once tried to destroy Peter's gospel.
All the apostles are preaching the ONE gospel of Jesus Christ.
Galatians 1:11; 23,
- but I certify you, brethren that the gospel which is preached of me is not after man
- but they had heard only that he(Paul) which persecuted us in times past now preaches the faith(gospel) HE ONCE TRIED TO DESTROY
Paul is now preaching the same gospel that Peter and the rest of the apostles preached before him.
I do not disagree with the Bible Hub's understanding of G:2537, however in the New Wine in the refreshed wineskins parable, a "new wineskin" unless it is soft and pliable, it will burst if the skin has aged and become relatively hard and brittle and will burst if fresh wine is put into that wineskin. So, the wine skin needs to be refreshed/refurbished so that the skin becomes soft and pliable by the application oils and waxes so that the leather is usable as a wineskin. So, the wineskin is "made like new again"/renewed/refurbished before it is used to store wine in.
However, the use of the English word "new" in Rev 21:1 & 5 suggests the wrong context. What John is telling us is that God "will make like new again" the heavens and the land.
David in NJ
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HE did away with the law of Moses to establish a BETTER law = the Law of Christ
Yes John's baptism was old covenant
Israel had to believe the gospel of the kingdom which is the Davidic earthly kingdom over which Christ reigns for a thousand years
Israel also had to believe on the name of Jesus that he was Christ the Son of God
Thats why they baptized in his name..........baptizing was for remission of sins as well as believing on his name
[Mar 1:4 KJV] 4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
[Luk 24:47 KJV] 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Paul was citing Joel.....this was for Israel
[Joe 2:32 KJV] 32 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
Peter said Pentecost was about Joel 2:30-32
Romans 9-11 is about Israel
GracePeace
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I don't even understand how it could be hyper-Pauline to deny what Paul writes--mocking the idea that a man's wife is his own body, because they two become one flesh... anyway!
They all preached the resurrection and his death but Peter said he was raised to sit on David;s throne .........................[Act 2:30 KJV] 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Paul said he was raised for our justification
Peter preached his death by accusing them not for our sins.......................[Act 2:23 KJV] 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
GracePeace
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Being forgiven of your sins (as Peter says) is one and the same with being justified (as Paul says), because Paul defines "the righteousness of faith" (that results in justification) as BEING FORGIVEN (Ro 4:6-8).
Romans 4
5But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7“BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN,
AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.
8“BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.”
GracePeace
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GracePeace
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When Peter says Christ was raised to sit on David's throne, he's just talking about how Jesus is the Messiah LOL not differing with Paul. Both Paul and Peter identify Christ is the Messiah--and that's good, since Apostle John says if you deny that fact you are antichrist.
Both Paul and Peter preach that through Christ we are forgiven our sins--though Paul is more detailed in his explication in Romans.
These two are different dispensations.
Mark 1:4 Jesus is physically alive He is about to begin His earthly ministry. Therefore His new covenant is not yet in force. His new testament gospel has not yet gone into effect, Hebrews 9:16-17
Mark 1:4 is during the limited commission. Only the house of Israel is to be preached,
Matthew 10:5,
- these twelve Jesus sent out instructing them, do not go among the gentiles and to not go into a city of the Samaritans, Therefore John's baptism was under the old testament during Jesus' limited commission.
Luke 24:47 is Jesus preaching the great commission. This is new testament gospel for both jew and gentile as prophecied by Joel and quoted by Peter in Acts chapter 2.
- and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to ALL nations beginning in Jerusalem
The prophecy of Joel was for the last days.
Both Peter and Paul are preaching the new testament gospel of Jesus Christ in the last days starting with Peter's preaching in Acts 2.
Joel's prophecy was not for fleshy Israel alone but both jew and gentile, the whole world,
Acts 2:16-17,
- and it shall come to pass in the last days saith God I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh(jew and gentile) and your sons and your daughters shall prophecy and your young men shall see visions and your old men shall dream dreams
This prophecy is fulfilled in Acts 2 when the Apostles are Holy Spirit baptized
And the the gentiles recieve the Holy Spirit miraculous gift with Cornelius in Acts 10 as the first gentile convert to be saved by Peter's gospel.
Jews and gentiles being saved by the ONE gospel in the new testament.
Really?
Do you not know that the book of Acts is where the conversions took place and Romans are those whoobeyed the gospel in Acts? Acts 2:10.
Romans is written to Jews and gentiles,
The gospel Paul preaches in Romans is the great commission. It is for the whole world.
Romans 1:16,
- for I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth to the jew first and also to the greek(gentile)
Romans 10:9-11, 12
- for there is no difference between jew and gentile for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that CALL UPON HIM
Romans is not for fleshly Israel alone!!!
You are mistaken.
Paul clearly teaches that whoever calls upon the name of the Lord is for both jew and gentile.
Romans 10:9-13,
- for whosoever CALLS upon the name of the Lord shall be saved
Big Boy Johnson
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Yep, the devil did a number on these people and they don't even know it. Very sad.
The same folks have deep issues with believing and accepting the Lord loves them on a personal level.
GracePeace
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This passage goes into detail on how Abraham is father of many nations (Gentiles).
Romans 4:
9Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, “FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 10How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.
13For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; 15for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.
16For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17(as it is written, “A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS HAVE I MADE YOU”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist. 18In hope against hope he believed, so that he might become a father of many nations according to that which had been spoken, “SO SHALL YOUR DESCENDANTS BE.”
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