THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

[Taken]

THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

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Long… yet Brief…

Protocol:
Love -
Love Expressed - (one to another)
Love Reciprocated - (other to one)

Offering to Wed- (one to other) (Betrothal)
Acceptance- (other to one)

Betrothal- (Engagement)- Jewish Tradition;
Promise, Behavior equal to being Wedded, without (consummation).

Bride - remains with Earthly father.
Bride - Prepares Marriage Clothing
Groom - Prepares a home for Bride.
Groom - Prepares Marriage Celebration at His Father’s House.
Guests are invited to witness and partake in the Celebration.

*** (Jewish Tradition- During Betrothal (engagement)…should one or the other withdraw from the Promise to Wed…
A divorce / severing of contract to Wed is issued.
(Acceptable Reasonings… one has been unfaithful to the other).

Once the Groom has His Preparations Accomplished- The Groom sends His Servant to the Brides fathers house, to summon the Bride, who has Made herself Ready…to Leave her fathers house (leave her father and mother) and Go to Meet her Groom at His Fathers House.

Christs Bride… His Church ( agreed in Love, made prepared/ready)….Church summoned by Christs Servant…Bride leaves fathers house on Earth…Bride leaves father and mother… Bride taken to Groom at His Gathers house… Bride Meets Groom in His Fathers House (lower Heaven Clouds)… Bride and Groom Wed.

Tribulations Sent down from Heaven upon the whole of the Earth, being Wholly UN - Righteous.

During Trib: in the midst of chaos, death Destruction, Deaths…
Lamb is Sent to Holy Ground. (Mt ZION)
144,000 (sealed, of Twelve Tribes of ISRAEL Servants) Sent to Holy Ground (Mt ZION).
Tribes of Israel, summoned to Mt ZION.

Some upon the Earth, Become Faithful…(Particularly, The Tribes of ISRAEL.
Die in Faithfulness Are Soul Saved. Saved Soul Escorted to Heaven.

Groom returns to Earth with His Bride.
Earthly Home of Groom is Prepared for Him and His Bride and the Grooms Servants…
“The Grooms Kingdom”, promised (Via Promise to Abraham) to the Groom Christ) and The Grooms Faithful…(Groom, Bride/ Church, Faithful Servants/ holy Angels Return to Earth to:
Grooms Throne (promised Via king David’s Everlasting Throne in JERUSALEM) IS the Grooms Throne, and Seat of His Kingdom, and Governing Authority over ALL mortal kingdoms, of Earth…
A remnant of “UN- Saved Believing Mortals”…Not bodily Killed during the Trib.

Devil, Satan, his unholy servants, banned From Earth for 1,000 years.

Christ Jesus Groom, King) reigns over His Holy Kingdom on Earth and All Mortal kingdoms and mortal kings on Earth…
For 1,000 years.

( Understanding… for 1,000 years … mortals kingdoms are Prosperous, abundance, peace among the nations, none going without needs, food, shelter, teaching of Gods Word).

1,000 years end.
Satan, His unholy angels loosed, allowed on Earth.
Once again Satans cunning, ear-tickling instigation and influence … convinces the mortal kings, their nations … THAT
Christ and His Kingdom could be Theirs… and Would be Theirs… IF Satan “Ruled the World “ (of Earth).

Satans’ plot To take Christs Kingdom, is Hatched, is Agreed amongst mortal kings.
Mortal kings, Muster his citizens to War Against Christs Kingdom…
Satan gathers his Unholy Angel spirits to gather for battle.

All nations of mortals come Against… Christs Earthly Kingdom…
* They are Devoured, killed, by The Word of God Sending flames of Fire down from Heaven.
* Christs Holy Spirit Servant Angels… battle Satans unholy spirit angels… and Defeat them.
* killed unsaved human body’s are consumed by birds.
* unsaved souls are sent to hell to await “damning” Judgement and Sentencing.
* Satan and his unholy Angel servants are sent to the Lake of Fire, eternally alive, without possibility of Escape.

The gathering together of the “Bride of Christ”…(those saved by Christ Before the Trib)
WITH…
The gathering together of those saved by the Lamb of God…during the Trib. Are the Bride of the New Jerusalem…

*** The celebration… of “THE MARRIAGE”. (Not the Wedding)… The Marriage Supper!

*** And the Whole New Heavens and Whole New Earth and It’s (made… Wholly Whole Holy) occupants Forever With THEIR Lord God Almighty.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Doug]

Ephesians 4:4-5, Paul says it so plain you have to put effort in to misunderstand him!!!!

ONE, ONE, ONE, ONE

Since Paul states there is ONE faith(gospel).
Then can there be two?

[Heb 11:4 KJV] 4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Faith goes back to Abel.........did Abel have Peter or Paul give him the gospel of one faith..........faith centers on Christ in the whole Bible

 

[GracePeace]

[Heb 11:4 KJV] 4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Faith goes back to Abel.........did Abel read Paul's epistles?..........faith centers on Christ in the whole Bible

"Faith" is simply believing what God says, what ever the message is.
Abraham, for example, believed God that his descendants would be numerous as the stars (Gn 15:5,6).
The Gospel was a mystery in the ages past (Ro 16:25).
Today, however, there is one faith--because there is one Gospel, one message from God we are to believe.

 

[Doug]

Ok, then by that reasoning I can also reason,
There can be more than ONE Spirit, more than ONE calling, more than ONE baptism etc.
More than ONE Lord!!!
If ONE doesn't really mean ONE except for what Paul is stating at the  time of this epistle, then
One can argue there can be more than one of the others.
If not why not?

There can be more than one gospel but that doesnt mean there can be more than one Spirit/Lord.........there are more than one baptisms however........here are three baptisms.....................[Mat 3:11 KJV] 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:

 

[GracePeace]

No, the occasion for having written Romans was that the Jews had been expelled from Rome (so the Christian Jews also had to leave), and, now, they were being permitted to return, but they were finding that the Church had been filled with Gentiles, and they had to have and understanding for how this was supposed to work, because the Gentiles did not practice the same way they though they were supposed to practice. Therefore, the topic is the Church, and how Jewish and Gentile believers were to live side-by-side.

The idea falls apart when we realize Paul corrected Peter's veering from the truth of the Gospel--only one Gospel, and Peter had to submit to it. He wasn't a free agent roaming around preaching his own thing.

I'm not sure why you would see "Paul's Gospel" would differ--he also warns that those who do not persist in faith can be cut off (Ro 11:17-22).

Think of what you are saying : Jesus says "Upon this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it", speaking of Peter, making Peter a member of the Church, yet you want to define Peter as a member of the bride, because he is of the remnant of Israel, but simultaneously deny that the Church is the bride!!!

@Doug this is for you too.

@Doug Are you a "Black Hebrew Israelite"?

Waiting for your responses.

 

[David in NJ]

The fact remains that there is more than one gospel
The one faith centers on Christ thru the whole Bible and grace

The one faith centers on Christ thru the whole Bible and grace

AGREE = therefore there is Only One LORD and One Gospel

Everyone who is submitted to Christ and filled with the Holy Spirit can preach "their" Gospel message = the One Gospel

How the Holy Spirit communicates thru us will always be the One Gospel.

 

[GracePeace]

@Doug Matthew 16:18“I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church

According to you, those who hear and believe "Peter's Gospel" become part of "the remnant of Israel", which you say is Christ's bride, whereas those who hear and believe "Paul's Gospel" become part of "the body of Christ", the Church (which just means "assembly" or "congregation"), which you deny is Christ's bride, but "the Church" includes Peter, and is built upon Peter's preaching of the Gospel (ie, it is not true that those who believe his Gospel become "remnant of Israel", Christ's bride, but not "the Church" which is "not Christ's bride"), so how does that work--why is Peter BOTH "the remnant of Israel" AND "the Church", BOTH "Christ's bride" AND "not Christ's bride"?

Your brains don't brain.

 

[Doug]

Paul is now preaching the same gospel that Peter and the rest of the apostles preached before him.

[Gal 2:2 KJV] 2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

If they were all preaching the same gospel then why would Paul have to tell them the gospel he preached?

[Gal 2:9 KJV] 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Why would they decide to separate their ministries if they were all preaching the same gospel?

[Rom 2:16 KJV] 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
[Rom 16:25 KJV] 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
[2Ti 2:8 KJV] 8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Why would Paul say it was his gospel?

 

[GracePeace]

[Gal 2:2 KJV] 2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

If they were all preaching the same gospel then why would Paul have to tell them the gospel he preached?

Because he was humble enough to want to verify it, because he got it by private revelation, not from men.

[Gal 2:9 KJV] 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Why would they decide to separate their ministries if they were all preaching the same gospel?

Because Jesus already said He was sending Paul to the nations (Acts 9:15).

[Rom 2:16 KJV] 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
[Rom 16:25 KJV] 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
[2Ti 2:8 KJV] 8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Why would Paul say it was his gospel?

It does not follow from "Paul says 'my Gospel'" that he is saying "My Gospel is different than Peter's"--that's a non-sequitur, and you have been debunked endlessly on that point.

 

[Doug]

HE did away with the law of Moses to establish a BETTER law = the Law of Christ

Thats not what Ezekiel says about the new covenant...................[Eze 36:26-27 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].

The law will be in their hearts

 

[Doug]

Being forgiven of your sins (as Peter says) is one and the same with being justified

What verse are you referring to where Peter says forgiven of sins

 

[GracePeace]

Thats not what Ezekiel says about the new covenant...................[Eze 36:26-27 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].

The law will be in their hearts

Yeah, and, accordingly, Paul says the Gentile believers, who neither possess (Ro 2:14) nor know the Law (Ro 7:1), qualify as "doers of the Law" (Ro 2:13, 14, 26, 27)--even without observing the days the Jews observe (Ro 14:5, 6).

 

[GracePeace]

What verse are you referring to where Peter says forgiven of sins

Acts 2:38

 

[GracePeace]

What verse are you referring to where Peter says forgiven of sins

The way forgiveness works is that the priest makes atonement, and, after that, then God forgives--Christ made atonement, and now God forgives. When Peter preaches Christ's sacrifice, he preaches God's forgiveness.

Leviticus 4
20‘He shall also do with the bull just as he did with the bull of the sin offering; thus he shall do with it. So the priest shall make atonement for them, and they will be forgiven.

 

[Lizbeth]

All I was saying was the verses you gave in John was directed to his disciples not us

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Jesus was speaking to His disciples at the time, but it was written down for all our (the whole church's) edification.

 

[Doug]

When Peter says Christ was raised to sit on David's throne, he's just talking about how Jesus is the Messiah LOL

To sit on David's throne means Christ will sit on his throne in the earthly kingdom as promised

[2Sa 7:13 KJV] 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
[Psa 132:11 KJV] 11 The LORD hath sworn [in] truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.
[Jer 33:17 KJV] 17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
[Luk 1:32 KJV] 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

 

[David in NJ]

Thats not what Ezekiel says about the new covenant...................[Eze 36:26-27 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].

The law will be in their hearts

And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].

The law of Christ = "If you love ME, keep MY commandments"

 

[GracePeace]

To sit on David's throne means Christ will sit on his throne in the earthly kingdom as promised

[2Sa 7:13 KJV] 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
[Psa 132:11 KJV] 11 The LORD hath sworn [in] truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.
[Jer 33:17 KJV] 17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
[Luk 1:32 KJV] 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Yeah, Jesus is the offspring of David, and is the King of the Jews, the Christ (Messiah).
What's the problem?

 

[Titus]

The fact remains that there is more than one gospel
The one faith centers on Christ thru the whole Bible and grace

There cannot be one faith if there is more than one gospel.
More than one gospel,
Then there are Faiths not the Faith.

Jude 3,
- it was needful for me to write unto you and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the Faith's which was once for all delivered unto the saints(Jews and gentiles)

 

[Doug]

Romans is not for fleshly Israel alone!!!
You are mistaken.
Paul clearly teaches that whoever calls upon the name of the Lord is for both jew and gentile.
Romans 10:9-13,
- for whosoever CALLS upon the name of the Lord shall be saved

To clarify Romans 9-11 is about the remnant of believing Israel and the unbelieving

[Rom 10:12 KJV] 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

This verse pertains to Gentiles who believed as in Acts 10..........................[Act 10:45 KJV] 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

These Gentiles were placed into the believing remnant of israel