THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

[David in NJ]

Which is what?
The Gospel was kept a mystery in the past (Ro 16:25), which was why none of the Apostles understood that he had to die and be raised--neither did anyone else in the past. The messages they believed were definitely God's Word, but the message about His Son dying and rising as a sacrifice for our sins was kept hidden.

the message about His Son dying and rising as a sacrifice for our sins was kept hidden.

Hidden in 'plain sight' in the OT Scriptures = just as JESUS said = Luke 24:25-27

Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!
Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?”
And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

 

[Doug]

So, if the bride of Christ is Israel, not the Church, why does Christ say He will build His Church upon Peter--making Peter both part of Christ's bride ("Israel"), and not part of Christ's bride ("the Church")?

Christ built his church upon himself the rock not Peter

 

[GracePeace]

Hidden in 'plain sight' in the OT Scriptures = just as JESUS said = Luke 24:25-27

Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?”
And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

Right, the Scriptures were about Him. The Bronze Serpent was about Christ, in a way, but it wasn't in plain sight.
It was hidden in ages past (Ro 16:25)--what is your response to that?

 

[David in NJ]

Right, the Scriptures were about Him. The Bronze Serpent was about Christ, in a way, but it wasn't in plain sight.
It was hidden in ages past (Ro 16:25)--what is your response to that?

In "plain sight" in the Scriptures = just as they are now Today

the difference is = "not revealed"

 

[GracePeace]

Christ built his church upon himself the rock not Peter

LOL That wasn't what Jesus was saying. Jesus says "You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church, and I will give you [Peter] the keys..."--the subject never changes, it goes from "You are Peter [rock]" and then "on this rock [Peter] I will build My Church" and then "I will give you [singular, Peter] the keys".

But I guess what you're admitting is that if Peter was part of the Church your entire theory would fall apart--and you're seeing that it truly is falling apart. LOL!

Come off it. You aren't seeing correctly.

 

[David in NJ]

LOL That wasn't what Jesus was saying. Jesus says "You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church, and I will give you [Peter] the keys..."--the subject never changes, it goes from "You are Peter [rock]" and then "on this rock [Peter] I will build My Church" and then "I will give you [singular, Peter] the keys".

But I guess what you're admitting is that if Peter was part of the Church your entire theory would fall apart--and you're seeing that it truly is falling apart. LOL!

Come off it. You aren't seeing correctly.

read this again more carefully

When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”

14So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

16Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

 

[Doug]

You said that the Gospel of the remnant of Israel differed from the Gospel of Paul, because their salvation wasn't secure, but our salvation is secure, and you used John 15, which says they could be cut off, to prove this, but "Paul's Gospel" contains the very same warning (Ro 11:17-22), so, do you care to retract your (debunked) claim?

Their salvation was secure by believing on Christ but not entering the earthly kingdom
Paul in Romans 11 was talking about the remnant not us......the remnant which included Gentiles could be cut off as well

 

[Doug]

Heb 4:2 - For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them:

Hebrews Says = SAME gospel

It doesnt say the same gospel as we believe today since that wasnt revealed yet
They had to believe
What gospel was preached to Israel in the wilderness?

Deuteronomy 1:8 Behold, I have set the land before you: go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give unto them and to their seed after them.

 

[Doug]

the SAME gospel was preached to Abraham by God Himself

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham. - Galatians 3:8

@GracePeace @Doug

This gospel tells you what it says
There is more than one gospel

 

[Doug]

The purpose was to make sure he hadn't run in vain--to verify his Gospel was accurate.
How could he do that? By asking those who would have known best what the Gospel was.

No scripture for your assertion

 

[Doug]

The title of the thread is "the Church is not the bride of Christ".
Who, in your view, is "the bride of Christ"?

Revelation tells us who the bride is
[Rev 21:9-10 KJV] 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Not the church the body

 

[GracePeace]

@Doug

LOL That wasn't what Jesus was saying. Jesus says "You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church, and I will give you [Peter] the keys..."--the subject never changes, it goes from "You are Peter [rock]" and then "on this rock [Peter] I will build My Church" and then "I will give you [singular, Peter] the keys".

But I guess what you're admitting is that if Peter was part of the Church your entire theory would fall apart--and you're seeing that it truly is falling apart. LOL!

Come off it. You aren't seeing correctly.

In fact, you already said Peter WAS part of the Church :

The believing remnant of Israel was Christ's church.........it was the church of God Paul persecuted.....................[1Co 15:9 KJV] 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

 

[GracePeace]

No scripture for your assertion

The Scripture for my assertion is the Scripture we are discussing--it's just that you are, in order to hold your crumbling view together, refusing to see it for what it is saying ("lest I had run in vain" he went to consult with the Apostles to make sure his message was on point--and he says they added nothing to him, so, yes, he was correct in his message).

And again the point is that they had the same message--and again you are powerless to answer how, if this were not the case, Paul could have called Peter out when he was not walking according to "the [one] truth of the [one] Gospel", later in the same chapter, if they walked by two different Gospels. It makes no sense--literally nothing you assert makes any sense at all.

 

[GracePeace]

Revelation tells us who the bride is
[Rev 21:9-10 KJV] 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Not the church the body

The OP seems to assert that "Israel" is the bride?
Am I understanding your view correctly?

 

[Doug]

Not at all--I'm saying that, in general, when God speaks to makind, it is good news (when Abraham is told that he will have offspring as numerous as the stars of the heavens, that was the good news to him; when Noah was told God would destroy the earth, but that he would be preserved through the Ark, that was good news, etc), but TODAY God's good news throughout the ages has culminated in God's good news about His Son Ro 1:3, which is a singular message for all humanity to believe.

sounds like more than one gospel to me

 

[GRACE ambassador]

The law of Christ = "If you love ME, keep MY commandments"

Great! 'Which' ones?:

1) Christ, The Minister Of the circumcision/covenants/prophecy, on the earth, to 12 apostles, for Israel? or:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

2) Christ, The Head Of His Body, From Heaven, To (ONE apostle!) Paul, According To The
Revelation Of The Mystery, For The Body Of Christ, In The Dispensation ( Today! ) Of Grace!?
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I have decided to follow Jesus?!​

Amen.

 

[GracePeace]

sounds like more than one gospel to me

LOL Peter wasn't preaching "God is going to flood the earth, so you will have to build an Ark and God will save you through the Ark" (though that foreshadowed what God would do in the future--the message we believe about His Son), nor "God will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in heaven" (though that foreshadows what God would do in the future--the message we believe about His Son), he was preaching about God's Son, just like Paul was preaching about God's Son.

Your brain is so mangled, though, that I guess you would have to see it the way you're wanting to see it--you're trying to hold your crumbling view together.

 

[GracePeace]

Great! 'Which' ones?:

1) Christ, The Minister Of the circumcision/covenants/prophecy, on the earth, to 12 apostles, for Israel? or:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

2) Christ, The Head Of His Body, From Heaven, To (ONE apostle!) Paul, According To The
Revelation Of The Mystery, For The Body Of Christ, In The Dispensation ( Today! ) Of Grace!?

Wouldn't you agree, though, that God is preserving a remnant of the nation of Israel / circumcision by grace, according to Romans 11? So, what's the issue--why think Peter and Paul preach different Gospels when you agree Paul's Gospel of Grace is the means whereby God is preserving the remnant of the nation of Israel?

 

[Doug]

To clarify,
You now have Jews and gentiles being saved under Peter's gospel, then gentiles being saved under Paul's gospel.

So there is two gospels for gentiles and one gospel for jews.

No
not one gospel for Jews and one for Gentiles
Gentiles were saved under Peter in Acts 10 and saved under Paul

 

[Doug]

But I guess what you're admitting is that if Peter was part of the Church your entire theory would fall apart--and you're seeing that it truly is falling apart. LOL!

Peter was part of the believing Israel church