THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

[Doug]

I already did--several times--Romans 11:17-22, for instance.

I already addressed this....they are remnant Gentiles.........be persuaded in your own mind as to what you believe

 

[GracePeace]

You’re trying to split God’s people into compartments—remnant Jews over here, believing Gentiles over there—but Paul dismantled that wall:\

No, it's even weirder--in his schema, the mechanism whereby a Jew or a Gentile becomes "remnant of Israel Church" is Peter's Gospel, but the mechanism whereby a Jew or a Gentile becomes "body of Christ Church" is Paul's Gospel! (?) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> “There is neither Jew nor Greek…for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal. 3:28)

He thinks Paul's Gospel is different than Peter's, so he will affirm that verse, but say it describes "the body of Christ Church", but not "the remnant of Israel Church".

Absolutely bonkers. Pandemonium. Pandora's box. Nonsense. Poppycock.

 

[GracePeace]

I already addressed this....they are remnant Gentiles.........be persuaded in your own mind as to what you believe

How are they "remnant of Israel Gentiles" when you say the mechanism for anyone joining the remnant of Israel is "Peter's Gospel", but Paul says "I magnify MY ministry to you Gentiles"?

 

[Doug]

Paul is citing Deuteronomy 32:21 when he says he wants to move his people to jealousy by magnifying his ministry to the Gentiles

[Mat 21:43 KJV] 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Because of their transgressions Israel was called not my people.......they will be moved to jealousy by the believing nation of Israel......a nation within a nation

 

[GracePeace]

[Mat 21:43 KJV] 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Because of their transgressions Israel was called not my people.......they will be moved to jealousy by the believing nation of Israel......a nation within a nation

1. Again, Deuteronomy 32:21 says because they chose another god, so He chooses another people--to say that He chooses the same people to make them jealous is like saying they chose the same God, not another god, and that made God jealous. It makes no sense--it is nonsense, not sound doctrine.
2. Also, how in the world is the Israel within Israel called "Gentiles" by Paul? LOL! Makes absolutely zero sense.
3. No, you said they were "remnant of Israel Church Gentiles", but, if we are to believe they are actually Israelites (the Israel within Israel), not non-Israelite Gentiles--since Paul says the remnant is a "remnant chosen by grace" (Romans 11), referring to his (Paul's) Gospel of Grace, but the mechanism for joining "remnant of Israel Church" is Peter's Gospel and not Paul's Gospel how could they be "remnant of Israel Church Gentiles"?

 

[Doug]

The fact that the Jewish believers are free from their obligation to serve by the Law proves they have died (Ro 7:1).
How did they die? "Through the body of Messiah" : they are the body of Christ, thus they share in His death and resurrection.
The same is true of all who believe and are baptized : they share in Christ's death and resurrection.
They die with Christ and are raised with Christ.
All believers are in Christ and are the body of Christ.

That would be true for Jews in the body of Christ

 

[GracePeace]

That would be true for Jews in the body of Christ

But not true of Jews who are in the "remnant of Israel Church"?
Why did Paul say Peter lived like a Gentile (Galatians 2) when Peter was making Gentiles live like Jews (even some were getting circumcised), showing him his hypocrisy?
Why was Peter told to eat unclean food--then went and ate with Gentiles?
(Jewish Christians confronted him for eating with Gentiles.)
Why did they confront him? Because Peter ate unclean food.
Isn't it true, then, that God is not holding Peter to the Law of Moses?
Again, this was why I asked if you were trying to resolve Acts 21.
It seems like you're saying Jews who believed Peter's Gospel were still under Law.
Are Jews who are in the "remnant of Israel Church" baptized into Christ's death and resurrection?

 

[Doug]

That’s one version, yes—but hyperdispensationalism isn’t limited to that label. The error is deeper: it over-divides the Word of God and fractures the Body of Christ.
Any theology that says the Church isn’t the Bride, isn’t part of the Kingdom, and has no earthly reign with Christ is operating in the same spirit—separating what God has joined. That’s the root problem. And it’s not new. It’s the same error Paul warned of:

> “Mark them which cause divisions contrary to the doctrine… and avoid them.” (Rom. 16:17)

True you can over divide

 

[Doug]

. The Church is the Bride:
Paul says in Ephesians 5:25–32 that Christ “loved the Church” and gave Himself for her, cleansing her “so that He might present the Church to Himself in splendor…holy and without blemish.” Then Paul says this is a mystery—but I speak concerning Christ and the Church. That’s bridal language. Not metaphor only—mystery revealed.

This doesnt say we are the bride......its a mystery that marriage depicts Christ and the church

Revelation shows who the bride is.................[Rev 21:9-10 KJV] 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

 

[Doug]

2. The Church is in the Kingdom:
Colossians 1:13 – “He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us into the Kingdom of His beloved Son.”
Revelation 1:6 – “He has made us kings and priests unto God.” We are not waiting to enter the Kingdom; we’re already in it spiritually—awaiting its physical manifestation.

There is a heavenly kingdom..........[2Ti 4:18 KJV] 18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve [me] unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Rev 1:6 is about Israel......[Exo 19:5-6 KJV] 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

 

[Doug]

3. One Body, One Destiny:
Ephesians 2:14–16 destroys the idea of two separate peoples:
“He has made both one…broken down the middle wall of separation…to create in Himself one new man from the two.”
Ephesians 3:6 calls it the mystery: Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

Thats true in the body of Christ only
The body wasnt formed until Paul's conversion in Acts 9

 

[Doug]

You just denied the plain text of Scripture.

Galatians 3:29 doesn’t say we’re “heirs of Christ only.” It says:

> “If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”



What promise? The Abrahamic one—justified by faith, not by law, not by bloodline. That’s the entire point of Galatians 3. Paul is explicitly connecting Gentile believers to Abraham’s covenant through Christ:

> “The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham: ‘In you shall all nations be blessed.’” (Gal. 3:8)



That blessing? Not just salvation—it’s inheritance. Paul confirms this in Romans 4:13:

> “For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith.”



So yes—we are heirs of Christ and heirs of the Abrahamic promise, because those two are not separate. Christ is the seed (Gal. 3:16), and all who are in Him become part of the promise.

To reject that is to reject the very foundation of Gentile inclusion in the plan of God.

So as heir of Abraham what promises do you inherit?

 

[GracePeace]

This doesnt say we are the bride......its a mystery that marriage depicts Christ and the church

Revelation shows who the bride is.................[Rev 21:9-10 KJV] 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Yes, Peter describes the Church as God's house, and so does Paul.
Jerusalem was the place where God dwelt on earth; now, New Jerusalem is the new place God dwells on earth--in all believers who have the Holy Spirit.

 

[Doug]

> “You are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people…”
(1 Peter 2:9—Peter writing to both Jew and Gentile believers scattered abroad.)



That language is directly quoting Exodus 19, showing that what was once reserved for Israel has now been fulfilled in Christ’s body. The Kingdom of priests isn't future Israel-only—it’s the blood-bought Church:

Peter was talking to the remnant of Israel not the body

 

[RenewedStrength316]

Doug, listen carefully:

I speak as a watchman called by God to defend the truth and the unity of Christ’s Body. Your teaching fractures the Bride, divides the Gospel, and sows confusion among the faithful.

The Word is clear:

The Church is the Bride of Christ, grafted into Abraham’s promises (Galatians 3:28–29, “If ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise”).

The apostles preached the full gospel of Christ crucified and risen, not a partial kingdom message (1 Corinthians 15:3–4, “Christ died for our sins… He was buried, and that he rose again the third day”).

The resurrection is the power of salvation for all believers, not just earthly Israel (Ephesians 2:6, “And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus”; 1 Corinthians 15:17, “if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain”).

The kingdom Jesus proclaims is both present and coming, spiritual and physical, not confined to national Israel (John 18:36, “My kingdom is not of this world”; Matthew 6:10, “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven”).

Gentiles are included as heirs and fellow members of the Body by God’s grace (Ephesians 3:6, “the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel”).


These truths cannot be denied without severing yourself from the faith once delivered (Jude 1:3).


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But I do not speak to condemn you outright, Doug.

I speak to call you to repentance, to the fullness of the Gospel, and to the unity Christ commands (Ephesians 4:13).

God is patient but just. His Word is a two-edged sword—cutting away error but healing those who turn from lies to truth (Hebrews 4:12).

If you repent, there is restoration (2 Chronicles 7:14). If you harden your heart, know this: judgment will follow, for divisiveness and false teaching bring ruin (Romans 16:17–18, “Mark them which cause divisions… avoid them”).


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This is not hatred, but love in its fiercest form.

The Church is bleeding. The Bride needs unity. I cannot stand silent while you tear apart what Christ has built (1 Corinthians 3:17).


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Repent now. Embrace the full counsel of Scripture. Stop dividing the Body. Preach the gospel of grace and resurrection to all people (2 Timothy 4:2).

The watchman’s horn sounds. The fire is kindled.

May mercy meet you before the judgment falls (James 5:19–20).

 

[Doug]

But then you added something the text never says: that this is only for Old Testament saints, remnant Israel, and tribulation martyrs—not the Church.

Where’s that in the verse?
It’s not there. You’re reading that into the text. That’s eisegesis, not exegesis.

There are only 2 resurrections outside of Christ's ...the just and unjust
We are raised according to Paul at the rapture so who is left to be raised as part of the just?

 

[Doug]

You claim the Rapture is only for the Body of Christ, but Scripture says all who are in Christ rise

Those in the body who are in Christ will

 

[Doug]

The Church is the Bride of Christ, grafted into Abraham’s promises

Again please tell me what promises you have

 

[RenewedStrength316]

Again please tell me what promises you have

Doug, listen closely—this isn’t about wishful thinking or vague ideas. The promises grafted to the Church come straight from the Word of God, unmistakably clear:

Galatians 3:29 — “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Romans 8:17 — “Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ.”

The promises are not empty words; they’re inheritance in Christ—eternal life, adoption into God’s family, and the kingdom authority that comes with being the Bride.

This isn’t limited to ethnic Israel but extended to all who are in Christ by faith.

Rejecting this cuts at the heart of the gospel’s fullness.

If you deny this, you deny the power of the cross to unite Jew and Gentile in one body, one Bride.

Stand on the Word, not human tradition or division.

What Scripture do you bring against these promises? Or do you stand only on man’s reasoning?

 

[Doug]

Doug, listen closely—this isn’t about wishful thinking or vague ideas. The promises grafted to the Church come straight from the Word of God, unmistakably clear:

Galatians 3:29 — “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Romans 8:17 — “Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ.”

The promises are not empty words; they’re inheritance in Christ—eternal life, adoption into God’s family, and the kingdom authority that comes with being the Bride.

This isn’t limited to ethnic Israel but extended to all who are in Christ by faith.

Rejecting this cuts at the heart of the gospel’s fullness.

If you deny this, you deny the power of the cross to unite Jew and Gentile in one body, one Bride.

Stand on the Word, not human tradition or division.

What Scripture do you bring against these promises? Or do you stand only on man’s reasoning?

Respectfully you have not given me the promises which according to you we receive