The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

[Spiritual Israelite]

He was talking about a literal physical city and temple. Your obsessive spiritualizing away of reality has produced heresy. You deny the reality of Satan, demons and angels. Do you believe Jesus is real?

You have to wonder at this point. He tries to say that the Judea that Jesus mentions in the Olivet Discourse is spiritual or heavenly Judea. But, nowhere does scripture ever refer to a spiritual or heavenly Judea.

 

[Marty fox]

When that happens repeatedly, you have to wonder if it's on purpose or not rather than it just being a case where he's not reading what you're saying carefully or that he just lacks basic reading comprehension skills. As for me, I'm having no trouble understanding what you're saying at all. I, of course, don't agree with everything you're saying since I'm not a partial preterist, but I do understand what you're saying and can actually address what you're saying instead of misrepresenting what you're saying.


Yes, you have. Very plainly. Yet, he somehow missed all of those times you've said that? How?

After post #695 I actually think that his purpose is only to frustrate and play games.

He answerEd my direct question with an waste of time question like he’s just playing a game and trying to frustrate me and probably laughed about it.

He has constantly avoided direct questions he’s not interested is any real dialogue

 

[PeterAndroz]

Zech 14 relates to the First Advent. Have you any NT support to corroborate your opinion?

 

[ewq1938]

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Jesus ascended from the town of Bethany, near the MT of Olives but not on it.

Luk 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You have to wonder at this point. He tries to say that the Judea that Jesus mentions in the Olivet Discourse is spiritual or heavenly Judea. But, nowhere does scripture ever refer to a spiritual or heavenly Judea.

Here you go again...Of course you are in denial because you do not have spiritual discernment. Period.

The assumption that “Judea” in Matthew 24 must only refer to a physical, geographic region is not actually proven by the text itself. Scripture often uses geographic and temple-related language in a covenantal or symbolic way, especially in prophetic and apocalyptic contexts. Christ was talking about Judea with His Church in mind.

For example, in Matthew 24 Jesus speaks of “wars, famines, earthquakes, and pestilences” as “birth pains,” yet these are not isolated literal events tied only to one location—they describe covenantal judgment patterns right prior to the Judgment of the unfaithful congregation and the Second Coming. Likewise, “abomination of desolation standing in the holy place” cannot be reduced to a simple physical temple reading without first dealing with how the New Testament redefines the “holy temple” as God’s congregation (cf. 1 Corinthians 3:16, Ephesians 2:21).

The same passage includes highly symbolic language such as housetops, garments, winter, and Sabbath in connection with prophetic urgency. These details are not random—they are covenant-era imagery used to communicate spiritual realities and imminent judgment themes.

Even the warnings about “false christs and false prophets” showing signs and wonders did not take place in the first century. You do not even understand what the desert and secret chambers signifies when people are telling us that they have Christ there.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Jesus ascended from the town of Bethany, near the MT of Olives but not on it.

Luk 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

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"""Jesus ascended from the town of Bethany, near the MT of Olives but not on it.
Yet doesn't Acts 1:11-12 state/imply otherwise ?
11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
12Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

 

[ewq1938]

"""Jesus ascended from the town of Bethany, near the MT of Olives but not on it.
Yet doesn't Acts 1:11-12 state/imply otherwise ?

No, Christ had left before the diciples went over the Mt back to Jerusalem.

11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
12Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.