The Day of The Lord, Wrong Timing Applied

[Earburner]

All of the redeemed are under the alter and in the Lamb's book of life.

The Atonement was sufficient for every single human ever conceived. Those who reject the Atonement will be removed from the Lamb's book of life.

That "altar" is a reference to the OT faithful of Israel.
Malachi 3:16. They were still waiting for The Promise to come, but had died in faith, before the Day of Pentecost. God did not forget them, and now their names are also written in the book of Life, being they who are shown in Revelation 6:9-11.

No one has been redeemed as of yet, except Jesus, who is the Firstborn from the dead, being Himself "the first resurrection", aka the First NEW creature.

All we, who are born again of/by His Spirit, are now made to be "partakers of His divine nature" (His resurrection), while we are still in our mortal flesh.
"Blessed and holy is he that HATH PART* in the first resurrection.....", who is Christ.

* Note: "hath part" is in the present tense.

 

[Truth7t7]

The situation now is not what is prophesied to happen soon.
Isaiah 66:21 and some of them, [the people gathered from all the nations; faithful Christians] I shall take for My priests...
Revelation 5:10

The Ole Bait And Switch Trick, The Nutshell Game!

Isaiah 66:21-23 below represents the New Heaven and Earth, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as you claim, you have any more rabbits in that hat, smiles!

Isaiah 66:21-23KJV
21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord.
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

 

[Earburner]

So why only limit it to 3 times. Seems you are the one not taking full advantage of Scripture.

Jesus' comings/appearances are only three times!
1. In the flesh to Israel.
2. By His Spirit to all of us individually. (The figurative 1000 years, the Age of God's Grace)
3. In His Immortality and flaming fire for our redemption, and the destruction of the wicked. (The end of the Age of God's Grace)

The Battle of Armageddon and that of Gog and Magog, are the same event, but told from two different biblical perspectives.

It's also a same day event of redemption for the saints, and the destruction of all the wicked.
Luke 17:28-30.

 

[Earburner]

So you are not inclined to Remember the Sabbath Day, but are revolted by the fact the Lord God allowed creation 1,000 years to operate like God intended, without sin?

I wouldn't waste my time looking forward to a fairy tale in this old earth, when we are specifically told to expect and look for a NEW Heaven and a NEW earth, when Jesus is revealed from Heaven in flaming fire, in all His Glory.
However, even the following scriptures don't do it justice, in that it might not BE ANYTHING close to what we see now. The keywords are: "whereIN Dwelleth [God's] righteousness.**

2Pet.3[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Rev.21[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

**Note: are you able to think outside of your denominational box? Could it be, that it shall be we ourselves, who are the NEW Earth, and Jesus Himself, is our NEW Heaven?

Try this: 2 Corinthians 4[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in [through] the face of Jesus Christ.
[7] But we have this treasure [of Himself] in [our] earthen vessels [our mortal bodies], that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us."
> Of which now, though we still are mortal, we are "NEW creatures", looking for an eternal and glorified NEW earthen vessel, in the immortal likeness of Jesus.
Just thinking out loud here.
However, there are a number scriptures of Jesus and the Apostles that give it support.

In all of God's Eternity, WHERE does God the Father and His Righteousness desire to dwell forever?
Answer: Within His Son, and within US!!

What? A global earth?....again??
Maybe IT'S NOT a new global earth planet at all, but rather it looks..... like us!

 

[Timtofly]

Simply put, sheol is the grave (a pit), the place of the dead.
Any other description is speculation, bordering the fictitious imaginations of fantasy, derived out of the sheer ignorance of religion.

Then you should not call the earth itself, sheol. The place Satan and his angels are banned to. That is just speculation, bordering on fictitious imaginations of fantasy, derived out of sheer ignorance of religion.

There is a pit, sheol, and Satan will be bound in that pit for 1,000 years. Revelation 20:1-3.

 

[Timtofly]

That "altar" is a reference to the OT faithful of Israel.
Malachi 3:16. They were still waiting for The Promise to come, but had died in faith, before the Day of Pentecost. God did not forget them, and now their names are also written in the book of Life, being they who are shown in Revelation 6:9-11.

No one has been redeemed as of yet, except Jesus, who is the Firstborn from the dead, being Himself "the first resurrection", aka the First NEW creature.

All we, who are born again of/by His Spirit, are now made to be "partakers of His divine nature" (His resurrection), while we are still in our mortal flesh.
"Blessed and holy is he that HATH PART* in the first resurrection.....", who is Christ.

* Note: "hath part" is in the present tense.

The book of Remembrance is not the Lamb's book of life. Revelation 20:12

"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

There were several books, plural and another book, the Lamb's book of life. Only the Lamb's book of life is the scroll with all the names. The other books are the historical record of all human life.

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus' comings/appearances are only three times!
1. In the flesh to Israel.
2. By His Spirit to all of us individually. (The figurative 1000 years, the Age of God's Grace)
3. In His Immortality and flaming fire for our redemption, and the destruction of the wicked. (The end of the Age of God's Grace)

The Battle of Armageddon and that of Gog and Magog, are the same event, but told from two different biblical perspectives.

It's also a same day event of redemption for the saints, and the destruction of all the wicked.
Luke 17:28-30.

The Holy Spirit is a separate person of the Trinity. You are claiming there are only 2 persons, God and Jesus. The Holy Spirit came to many OT men of faith, else they would have had no faith at all. They submitted to the Holy Spirit, and were credited as having faith. Now you deny that point, and claim they were never inspired nor could be obedient to the Holy Spirit.

Of course the Holy Spirit is the Lord's Spirit. But it is not Jesus/the Word. Jesus was the 4th person walking in the fiery furnace not the Holy Spirit. God, Himself appeared to Moses on mount Sinai, not Jesus nor the Holy Spirit. So many comings or appearances, of the Lord, not just these 3 you contrive of your own opinion.

Yes, Jesus came as a baby born of a virgin. Yes, God sent the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. Yes, Jesus showed up in the fiery furnace. Yes, Jesus as King will rule on earth for 1,000 years. Not just the 3 points of your choosing, but many times.

 

[Timtofly]

I wouldn't waste my time looking forward to a fairy tale in this old earth, when we are specifically told to expect and look for a NEW Heaven and a NEW earth, when Jesus is revealed from Heaven in flaming fire, in all His Glory.
However, even the following scriptures don't do it justice, in that it might not BE ANYTHING close to what we see now. The keywords are: "whereIN Dwelleth [God's] righteousness.**

2Pet.3[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Rev.21[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

**Note: are you able to think outside of your denominational box? Could it be, that it shall be we ourselves, who are the NEW Earth, and Jesus Himself, is our NEW Heaven?

Try this: 2 Corinthians 4[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in [through] the face of Jesus Christ.
[7] But we have this treasure [of Himself] in [our] earthen vessels [our mortal bodies], that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us."
> Of which now, though we still are mortal, we are "NEW creatures", looking for an eternal and glorified NEW earthen vessel, in the immortal likeness of Jesus.
Just thinking out loud here.
However, there are a number scriptures of Jesus and the Apostles that give it support.

In all of God's Eternity, WHERE does God the Father and His Righteousness desire to dwell forever?
Answer: Within His Son, and within US!!

What? A global earth?....again??
Maybe IT'S NOT a new global earth ball at all, but rather it looks..... like us!

I would call a global earth and your new version just religious fiction.

How do you like that thinking outside of your religious box of human theology?

Genesis 1 is what I accept. Anything else is just human opinion. Genesis 1 stopped fitting in the human theological religious box during Paul's lifetime in the first century. Theology went down hill from there. 2 Thessalonians 2:7

"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

 

[Earburner]

Then you should not call the earth itself, sheol. The place Satan and his angels are banned to. That is just speculation, bordering on fictitious imaginations of fantasy, derived out of sheer ignorance of religion.

There is a pit, sheol, and Satan will be bound in that pit for 1,000 years. Revelation 20:1-3.

Sorry to disappoint you, there is no religion involved with what I said.
Heb.12[29] For our God is a consuming fire.

God Himself is an Eternal Fire, and the initiator of the LoF.
All that shall be in the LoF shall be burned up, which of itself will cease to burn*, when there is nothing left to burn.
Elementary fire doesn't burn without fuel.

2Pet.3[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the EARTH ALSO and the WORKS* that are therein shall be burned up.
Iows, the ENTIRETY of this global earth will be molten LAVA

* Note: graves are also a "work" of man.

 

[Earburner]

The book of Remembrance is not the Lamb's book of life. Revelation 20:12

I never said it was!!!
But, what was given to each one, so that they COULD be in the Lamb's book of Life?
See Romans 8:9.

 

[Earburner]

Yes, Jesus came as a baby born of a virgin. Yes, God sent the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. Yes, Jesus showed up in the fiery furnace. Yes, Jesus as King will rule on earth for 1,000 years. Not just the 3 points of your choosing, but many times.

I did not say anything about the fiery furnace in Daniel. I was referencing the NT prophecy of Jesus soon to be revealed the third time from Heaven, in flaming fire, as declared in 2 Thessalonians 1:8.

 

[Earburner]

The Holy Spirit is a separate person of the Trinity. You are claiming there are only 2 persons, God and Jesus. The Holy Spirit came to many OT men of faith, else they would have had no faith at all. They submitted to the Holy Spirit, and were credited as having faith. Now you deny that point, and claim they were never inspired nor could be obedient to the Holy Spirit.

No! There is something missing in your understanding. It's called having the permanency of the GIFT of God's Holy Spirit DWELLING within those who believe in Christ, ever since Pentecost, NOW and forever. KJV- Romans 8-9, 1 John 5:12-13.

The OT patriarchs and prophets were ONLY visited upon by God. God was NOT able to stay within them permanently, because the Blood of the Lamb OF God was NOT YET shed. God the Father needed Christ's sacrifice just as much as we do, but for different reasons.

 

[Earburner]

Of course the Holy Spirit is the Lord's Spirit. But it is not Jesus/the Word. Jesus was the 4th person walking in the fiery furnace not the Holy Spirit. God, Himself appeared to Moses on mount Sinai, not Jesus nor the Holy Spirit. So many comings or appearances, of the Lord, not just these 3 you contrive of your own opinion.

KJV Scripture says the following, of which I have shown in great detail a few pages back.
Here is a shortened view of it:

John.14
[15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him.

 

[Timtofly]

Sorry to disappoint you, there is no religion involved with what I said.
Heb.12[29] For our God is a consuming fire.

God Himself is an Eternal Fire, and the initiator of the LoF.
All that shall be in the LoF shall be burned up, which of itself will cease to burn*, when there is nothing left to burn.
Elementary fire doesn't burn without fuel.

2Pet.3[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the EARTH ALSO and the WORKS* that are therein shall be burned up.
Iows, the ENTIRETY of this global earth will be molten LAVA

* Note: graves are also a "work" of man.

What does any of this have to do with Satan bound in the pit for 1,000 years? A pit God created for Satan and his angels. A pit that will not be burned up.

I never said it was!!!
But, what was given to each one, so that they COULD be in the Lamb's book of Life?
See Romans 8:9.

The Lamb's book of life was written to and sealed before creation. Every name of every soul ever conceived was entered. After the 7th Seal is removed, names will start being removed. This is not a record of works. This is a book of names.

There is not a single verse that states names are ever added. There are verses about blotting names out of the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Timtofly]

I did not say anything about the fiery furnace in Daniel. I was referencing the NT prophecy of Jesus soon to be revealed the third time from Heaven, in flaming fire, as declared in 2 Thessalonians 1:8.

The Holy Spirit is not a coming. The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity. The third person came on the day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Lord.

 

[Earburner]

Of course the Holy Spirit is the Lord's Spirit. But it is not Jesus/the Word. Jesus was the 4th person walking in the fiery furnace not the Holy Spirit. God, Himself appeared to Moses on mount Sinai, not Jesus nor the Holy Spirit. So many comings or appearances, of the Lord, not just these 3 you contrive of your own opinion.

The KJV Scripture says the following, of which I have shown in great detail a few pages back.
Let's try again:

John 14
[15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another [G243-different form of] Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
[17] Even the Spirit of truth [I AM... THE TRUTH]; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:
but ye know him [It is I myself]; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
[18] I will not leave you comfortless:
I will come to you.
[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me:
because I live, ye shall live also.
[20] At that day [Pentacost-"I will come to you"]
ye shall know that
I am IN my Father, and
ye IN me, and
I in you. See Colossians 3:1-4, Revelation 3:20

[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE [my Father and I] will come unto him, and make OUR abode [G3438-dwelling place/mansion] with him. See John 14:2.

> One plus one equals two (1+1=2 or 2=1+1), which when together, are one.

 

[Earburner]

The Holy Spirit is not a coming. The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity. The third person came on the day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Lord.

Most Christians have a "religious log jam" in their head, which has been placed there by the sheer repetition of man made creeds.

You said: "The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Lord"
My reply: Which Lord? The Lord Jesus, or the LORD God the Father? John 14:28.
Are they not both together as 1+1=2, being ONE together, as "WE" and "OUR", as it is also revealed in KJV Genesis 1:26 "Let US make [create] man in OUR image".

I am not having a problem with it.
As for simple English grammar, the words we, our, and us means PLURAL, as in TWO together.
God the Father and Jesus together, with each other, ARE together, being themselves both of Holy Spirit together, are Holy Spirit together. KJV Romans 8:8-9.

 

[Earburner]

The Holy Spirit is not a coming. The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity. The third person came on the day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Lord.

What is Revelation 3:20 all about, to every person who has received Jesus into their life, as their Savior?
Did He not Come to them to dwell WITHIN them?

Since Pentacost, has Jesus ever stopped "coming" to people? If so, please tell us when.
All of "church-ianity" has been duping many people for many years.

 

[Earburner]

What does any of this have to do with Satan bound in the pit for 1,000 years? A pit God created for Satan and his angels. A pit that will not be burned up.

The pit, or a pit, is in reference to a grave on the earth (H-sheol, G-hades/hell), the location of where the unconscious, non-living flesh and blood bodies of the human dead are placed.
Rev. 20[14] And death and hell [the graves, pits] were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Satan is BOUND to this earth, having no way of escape from it whatsoever!! Therefore, he also will be "burned up", along WITH THIS present global earth.
Rev.20[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Luke.10[18] And he said unto them, I beheld [past tense] Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Rev.12[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
2 Peter 3[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Yes, since our God is a consuming fire, it is very plain, and really quite simple!

 

[Truth7t7]

The pit, or a pit, is in reference to a grave on the earth (H-sheol, G-hades/hell), the location of where the unconcious, non-living flesh and blood bodies of the human dead are placed.
Rev. 20[14] And death and hell [the graves, pits] were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Satan is BOUND to this earth, having no way of escape from it whatsoever!! Therefore, he also will be "burned up", along WITH THIS present global earth.
Rev.20[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Luke.10[18] And he said unto them, I beheld [past tense] Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Rev.12[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
2 Peter 3[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Yes, since our God is a consuming fire, it is very plain, and really quite simple!

Your claim of "Unconcious" is 100% false, the rich man died and was in "Conscious" torment in the flame!

Luke 16:19-24KJV
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.