The Days Of The Last Trumpet

[Christina]

Satan's has 5 months thats whats the verse is about Satans 5 month
for the Elects sake his (Satans) time is shortened.
now originally he had 7 years divided into two 3 1/2 year periods right ..... the 7 years must still come to pass as its Daniels 70th week....... but the time Satan and his Army are here has been shortened not time itself ....

 

[jerryjohnson]

Satan's has 5 months thats whats the verse is about Satans 5 month
for the Elects sake his (Satans) time is shortened.
now originally he had 7 years divided into two 3 1/2 year periods right ..... the 7 years must still come to pass as its Daniels 70th week....... but the time Satan and his Army are here has been shortened not time itself ....

I believe you have that whole thing wrong but only time will convince you. Take care.

 

[Christina]

I believe you have that whole thing wrong but only time will convince you. Take care.

Suit yourself I might also point out that you might notice that five months is 150 days you might want to do look into where else 150 days is mentioned ... As it was in the begining it will be in the End ... did you ever notice there are also 150 psalms now you dont have to take my word for anything but when the times comes and you see Satan I suggest you start reading the psalms one a day should get you through Satans tribulation

 

[jerryjohnson]

Suit yourself I might also point out that you might notice that five months is 150 days you might want to do look into where else 150 days is mentioned ... As it was in the begining it will be in the End ... did you ever notice there are also 150 psalms now you dont have to take my word for anything but when the times comes and you see Satan I suggest you start reading the psalms one a day should get you through Satans tribulation

I expect you are thinking about the flood in verse 24 of Genesis 7, but if you would continue reading into chapter 8 you would see that the flood isn't over in 7:24.

 

[Christina]

Your right, the flood starts receeding,abates(interesting word) after this
The End doesnt come at the End of Satans tribulation either
God wrath is yet to come and we arent given any time period from that point on are we ? .... Anything after that point is pure speculation.

It still doesnt change the fact God gives him, Satan, and his locust army 5 months ...

God didnt shorten the time of the flood, of Noah, either did he. .....but he says he says he shortens Satan time/ Satans flood.
So why is it you think God bothered to give us the 150 day marking point of the flood ?
Just to throw another number out there ...or do you think he had a reason was trying to tell us something ?
24. And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
(150 Days)


Luke
1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,

This is our type the Child is hid 5 months !! for 5 months Gods son will be hid from the world Same as in Revelation 9 for 5 months God will allow a Satan to have his time
Christ and Gods words will be hidden from the world. Or we could see this as the one who announces Christ coming had 5 months before Christ same as the two wittness have 5mo. To announce Christ before he returns


So the question is how many wittness's do you need I count 4 at this point but as I said suit yourself

 

[whirlwind]

Just to make things interesting (it will drive some folks bananas) do the following:

When studying The Trumpets there are several places where all of mankind is completely accounted for. But the Church appears to be completely absent.

You would almost think the Lord has removed it before his day of wrath.

A careful study may Rupture some preconceived notions , but is that not what bible study is all about?


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I am willing to follow the teachings of men if those teachings are confirmed by careful study on my part. Some folks do not like that but I will never change. I suspect they will not change either. Therefore arguing is pointless. Careful self-study is not pointless. Trumpet scripture accounts for all people on earth during that time. Read carefully. Find out if you are there. You are the Church.

Best regards
Martin W.

The church is there during the five month period but....she is hidden:

Luke 1:24-25 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying, Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein He looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.​

Elisabeth represents His wife, the church, the woman. When the five months begin the Lord has already "dealt with me," and she/they/we are among those wearing the gospel armor. So she is hidden from the deception of the deceivers.

Psalms 17:8-9 Keep me as the apple of the eye, Hide me under the shadow of Thy wings, From the wicked that oppress me, From my deadly enemies, who compass me about.

27:5 For in the time of trouble He shall hide me in His pavillion: In the secret of His tabernacle shall He hide me; He shall set me up upon a rock.

143:9 Deliver me, O LORD, from mine enemies: I flee unto Thee to hide me.

Revelation 12:6 (666) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.​

The church, Elisabeth, is hidden under His wings, on the Rock....on His Word....the "place prepared of God," during the "time of trouble," the "great tribulation," the "five months."
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[whirlwind]

The Lords Day has nothing to do with Satan time ...The night of the Lord is not scripture as we agree its leaglism in Gal. we are told not to use leaglism to make doctrine ... I guess we just have too agree to disagree here.
I still contend you are reading into scripture what isnt there ..
... As always in scripture you can have dual meanings and miss the forest through the trees. as you know. So the night of the Lord if you insist there is one started with Adam and ends When Satans 5 months is over.

No...I'm insisting there isn't a "night of the Lord." The night is Satan's time but the Day of the Lord comes "in the night."

In a spirtual sense we have been in the night of the Lord for 6000 years .... but this is not what the great tribulation is about which is why Satans time is given in earthly months and Gods given in heavenly days.

We have been living in the night of the Lord for 6000 years its about to come to end .... Maybe this is why nights are not mentioned in genesis they would all cover a 6000 year period

The Day of the Lord then starts at the 7th trump After Satan tribulation his 5 months not during it. And he then pours out his wrath just as we have many wittness to .... And again it doesnt say he comes in the night ... as a thief refers to a state of readieness. Not a time of day....IMHO

I agree the Day of the Lord begins at the 7th trump but is it written anywhere that the beginning is "after Satan's tribulation?" I always assumed it was but it can't be. I disagree though on it not being written that the Day comes in the night. I just saw this following verse and believe it is about that time....

Romans 13:11-12 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.​

That would be in accord with Jesus coming in the fourth watch...as night is ending and day is at hand.

However....you're right....we may have to just agree to disagree on this one. :)

 

[Christina]

No...I'm insisting there isn't a "night of the Lord." The night is Satan's time but the Day of the Lord comes "in the night."





I agree the Day of the Lord begins at the 7th trump but is it written anywhere that the beginning is "after Satan's tribulation?" I always assumed it was but it can't be. I disagree though on it not being written that the Day comes in the night. I just saw this following verse and believe it is about that time....

Romans 13:11-12 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.​

That would be in accord with Jesus coming in the fourth watch...as night is ending and day is at hand.

However....you're right....we may have to just agree to disagree on this one. :)

Whirl Im saying this because it was just given to me, and we have 3 wittness to it , its not written exactly when the 7th trump blows but you are using the wrong verses and therefore attempting to draw a conclusion not said ...But implied
This was the point of my first post to you every refereance to the Lords day is accosiated with Gods wrath not Satan,Nowhere wilI you find it written otherwise. .

I used to think like you but its wrong. Its my feeling that the 7th trump blows when the two wittness's are raised. No one knows the hour or day
of his coming ..therefore to go to the verses of hours does not hold the answers here. A theif in the night is just a figure of speech,an idiom meaning a state of readiness. Did God interfer/intervene with Job when he gave Satan permission to test him ? NO! and he will not intervene with Satans time of the End.
God is hidden from us for 5 months, Amos 8:12. I hope you come too see this but I love you either way :)
God Bless

 

[whirlwind]

Whirl Im saying this because it was just given to me, and we have 3 wittness to it , its not written exactly when the 7th trump blows but you are using the wrong verses and therefore attempting to draw a conclusion not said ...But implied
This was the point of my first post to you every refereance to the Lords day is accosiated with Gods wrath not Satan,Nowhere wilI you find it written otherwise. .

I used to think like you but its wrong. Its my feeling that the 7th trump blows when the two wittness's are raised. No one knows the hour or day
of his coming ..therefore to go to the verses of hours does not hold the answers here. A theif in the night is just a figure of speech,an idiom meaning a state of readiness. Did God interfer/intervene with Job when he gave Satan permission to test him ? NO! and he will not intervene with Satans time of the End.
God is hidden from us for 5 months, Amos 8:12. I hope you come too see this but I love you either way :)
God Bless

What if....God's wrath is the unleashing of Satan? It isn't that He intervenes but that He sends Satan for he is His servant.....

Jeremiah 25:9 Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.

Jeremiah 27:6 And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.​

A great deal goes in the "the night." I'm going to throw a few verses out for you to consider. I don't know if it'll change your mind but...it'll give you something to think about. Either way....friends to the end. :)

Numbers 11:9 And when the dew fell upon the camp in the night, the manna fell upon it.

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.​

 

[lecoop]

Coop, where does Scripture say they witness for 1260 days?

Sorry. Perhaps you would rather I had used the word prophesy?

Rev 11:3
...they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days...

But, in my defense, if they are called "witnesses," and I think prophecying can fit into witnessing.

Coop

 

[lecoop]

dear Coop you've always been confused on this issue
how can the Lords Day start before he gets here?

He comes at the 7th trump/ last trump ......not the 7th seal ...

Antichrist comes first as 2 thess. tells you, first the man of sin must be revealed, he isnt revealed until the 5th/6th trump.
Christ comes at the 7th and 6 comes before 7 everytime you count it ...

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

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Sorry, Christina, but you are the one confused. First, let's call it the "day of the Lord," not "the Lord's day," which in the days of the early church was used for Sunday. Does the Lord have to be present for the Day of the Lord to begin? Of course not!! That is just human reasoning. Go back and read Isaiah 2 and Joel 2, then read the 6th seal events: you will see that these two prophecies are fulfilled AT the 6th seal. And they BOTH speak of the "day of the Lord." It seems that those people IN that terrible earthquake, are wiser than YOU are, Christina, for they KNOW that what they have just witnessed, are the SIGNS for the day of the Lord. Therefore, at the 6th seal, the start of the day of the Lord is iminent; and will begin with the next realtime event: the 7th seal. Christina, how could a trumpet judgement that kills 1/3 of the world's population, NOT be the wrath of God, and a part of the Day of the Lord?

You have strayed even FARTHER from the truth, in thinking that He comes at the sounding of the 7th trumpet. sorry, but there is NO HINT - not one word - there that tells us of His coming. Christina, this is just more human reasoning. Go to chapter 19, and you can read CLEARLY of His coming. A beginning reader could understand that as His real coming. And that is after the 70th week has ended.

And you have missed in on 2 Thes 2 also. "That day," that is, "the day of the Lord," cannot come until a departure comes first. Later, Paul says that the restraining force will be "taken out of the way." Then he writes, "and now you know what restrains..." Of course we now know, because he told us in verse three of a daparting (something being taken out of the way.) And indeed, that departing DOES come first: John shows us the church of Jesus Christ IN HEAVEN, between the 6th and 7th seals, before the 70th week even starts.

Coop

Just to make things interesting (it will drive some folks bananas) do the following:

When studying The Trumpets there are several places where all of mankind is completely accounted for. But the Church appears to be completely absent.

You would almost think the Lord has removed it before his day of wrath.

A careful study may Rupture some preconceived notions , but is that not what bible study is all about?


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I am willing to follow the teachings of men if those teachings are confirmed by careful study on my part. Some folks do not like that but I will never change. I suspect they will not change either. Therefore arguing is pointless. Careful self-study is not pointless. Trumpet scripture accounts for all people on earth during that time. Read carefully. Find out if you are there. You are the Church.

Best regards
Martin W.

You would almost think the Lord has removed it before his day of wrath.

You think? We have no appointment with His wrath. It astounds me that some want to show up without an appointment.
A careful study of chapter 7 will show the church in heaven before the 70th week begins.

Coop

 

[whirlwind]

Sorry. Perhaps you would rather I had used the word prophesy?

Rev 11:3
...they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days...

But, in my defense, if they are called "witnesses," and I think prophecying can fit into witnessing.

Coop

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

What he's referring to, I believe, is the possibility that they don't prophesy for 1,260 days but prophesy about 1,260 days. It's a very interesting idea.

 

[lecoop]

I'm not rearranging. Yes....every seal is broken before the trumpets sound as they tell us what will happen. They are prophecy. Yes....the trumpets sound before the vials are poured.

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Coop wrote

The "day of the Lord," does come suddenly, and brings "sudden destruction." "They get the "sudden destruction" but we don't. Why is that? Because the church is caught up at the rapture as THE FIRST EVENT of the sudden destruction. This happens at the 6th seal, before the 70th week has started. As Paul said, we have no appointment with His wrath. His wrath will begin with the 7th seal, which officially opens the day of the Lord, AND the 70th week.

You are mistaken. You just said the seals are broken before the trumpets and here you say the opposite. I agree that we aren't appointed to His wrath.

How am I saying the opposite? ONLY because you have misplaced the rapture in your theories. Go back and read Chapter 7: John saw the church in heaven, at the throne of God, between the 6th and 7th seal. If you will look, you will see that the 7th chapter IS before even the first trumpet is sounded. TWO events MUST be accomplished before the 7th seal opens the "day of the Lord," God's wrath, and the 70th week. They are the sealing of the 144,000 and the rapture of the church.

No...the vials are filled with His wrath, not the trumpets.

Suppose I am a cook. (I really am.) Everyone has hot chocolate with whipped cream on the top! You and others are finishing up your meal. Then pies are served: sour cream lemon, sour cream blueberry, and sour cream cherry, all topped with whipped cream! Everyone gets their choice. Some eat one piece of each!! Then, someone brings clean plates! On everyone's new plate is a lovely HOT creampuff, FILLED with whipped cream!! Someone exclaims, "WOW, this creampuff is FILLED with Whipped cream!!"

Now, did the filling of the cream puffs make it IMPOSSIBLE that cream was also used on the Hot Chocolate? Certainly NOT!! neither did it prevent me from using cream in the pies and ON the pies. Therefore, just because the vials are filled with His wrath, does not make it impossible that he was angry BEFORE the vials. We can be SURE God is angry, when one trumpet kills 1/3 of the world's population.

Remember....one thousand years is as a day. Are these literal three and one half days or...3,500 years? Are the many witnesses literally dead or are their "dead bodies" their carnal nature?

Yes, of course they are real days. The whole scenario MUST fit into 1260 days. And dead bodies would be eating by animals and insects LONG before 3500 years were up!! Surely you were not serious!!

I try not to. :)

GOOD!!

Coop

 

[Christina]

What if....God's wrath is the unleashing of Satan? It isn't that He intervenes but that He sends Satan for he is His servant.....

Jeremiah 25:9 Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.

Jeremiah 27:6 And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.​

A great deal goes in the "the night." I'm going to throw a few verses out for you to consider. I don't know if it'll change your mind but...it'll give you something to think about. Either way....friends to the end. :)

Numbers 11:9 And when the dew fell upon the camp in the night, the manna fell upon it.

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.​

Because thats not what he says, that Satan is his wrath, he allows the great delusion and Satan because we believe a lie,and to turn the hearts of the Chhildren back to their Fathers.......

His wrath is upon Satan and his ONLY

Revelation 16 and Isa and Zep.

The Seven Bowls of God's Wrath

1Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go, pour out the seven bowls of God's wrath on the earth."


God wrath is the last thing he does its very specicfic and tied to the Lords Day
your verse in Peter just proves my point , the parable tells us to always be ready as we know not when the thief comes its a figure of speech
Peter 3:10 is when God destroys this earth and makes a new one, after the White throne Judgement, after the Millieum and there is no night at this time because he is our light.

 

[lecoop]

Then Satans time must be very long

This is a misinterptation of scripture it does not say he comes at the night

1 Thessalonians 5:2,5 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

It means he comes Unsuspecting when you least expect it to me . but even if you see it other wise it still doesnt nessarily mean at night but can be ready to fight back just as scripture says Satan does when he calls his troops to Armageddon.

Mar 14:48 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Are ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and [with] staves to take me?

Luk 22:52 Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?


if he comes and gathers his own at sunset assuming a day starts at sunset .... Then how long is the night in 1000 year period ?

you are still bouncing from a 24 hour day and 1000 day year. you cant have both

If the Lord comes at his day (1000 years) and it starts at sunset how long is a night in 1000 year period of time if one hour is 5 months then how long is a night ?



I might add at this point there is no night of the Lord ever mentioned in scripture ...its legalism not scripture ...
Satan is bound for 1000 years if you spiritually see Satan is the darkness he is gone ...Therefore no need for a night to come he is not the God of darkness.
and the planets and the sun and moon are moved out of their orbits as Isa. says on the Day of the LORD /the day of his wrath
then there is no night of the lord and if there is then figuring out when it is would be impossible as without a sun and moon there is no longer a 24 hour day and we can not judge time the same old way.

The millenium is called the Day of the Lord for a reason . Not the day and night of the Lord. God states the Day of The Lord is his Day of Wrath which is immediately after the great tribulation on the world by Satan .... Why does God grant Satan his short time then interfer with it by trying to destroy him ..It defeats the entire purpose of Allowing Satan his time ...which is to turn the hearts of the children back to the father
he allows a short time for this.... Then he comes and gathers his own then he pours out his wrath, God doesnt harvest out of season .... If one understands that the night would have to come hour/hours after sunset and one hour is 5 moths then three hours our time would 15 months .... Do you think it will take God 15 months to deal with Satan ? How long would an entire night be then ? certainly not the one hour(5 months) Satan
How long is a night in a 1000 year day ?

Christina, you were right to chastise Whirlwind, for he is wrong on everything.

But, you too are missing John's chornology, and the timing of the "day of the Lord, and the 70th week.

The day of the Lord begins with the 7th seal. The 70th week of Daniel begins at the same time. The first six trumpets are in the first half of the week, and the vials are in the last half of the week. The abomination takes place at the exact midpoint of the week, with the sounding of the 7th trumpet.
Therefore, "those days" of "great tribulation" will begin seconds after the 7th trumpet sounds. But, it will take the beast a while to get his killing machine going. So it may be a week or a month or longer before the 2nd beast shows up, the image is build, and the mark is ready to be enforced.

By the time Chapter 16 is starting, the beast will be at the HEIGHT of terror, and heads are rolling at a phenominal rate. THIS IS WHEN God begins pouring out the vails of His wrath, to SHORTEN those days of great tribulation. After a few of the vials, the murder will be STOPPED. People will find it impossible to carry out the beast's wishes.

Therefore, exactly as John shows us, God's wrath and Satan's wrath are concurrent.

Coop

 

[whirlwind]

How am I saying the opposite? ONLY because you have misplaced the rapture in your theories. Go back and read Chapter 7: John saw the church in heaven, at the throne of God, between the 6th and 7th seal. If you will look, you will see that the 7th chapter IS before even the first trumpet is sounded. TWO events MUST be accomplished before the 7th seal opens the "day of the Lord," God's wrath, and the 70th week. They are the sealing of the 144,000 and the rapture of the church.

You do realize the seals are the telling of what will be....not the actual event?

Suppose I am a cook. (I really am.) Everyone has hot chocolate with whipped cream on the top! You and others are finishing up your meal. Then pies are served: sour cream lemon, sour cream blueberry, and sour cream cherry, all topped with whipped cream! Everyone gets their choice. Some eat one piece of each!! Then, someone brings clean plates! On everyone's new plate is a lovely HOT creampuff, FILLED with whipped cream!! Someone exclaims, "WOW, this creampuff is FILLED with Whipped cream!!"

Now, did the filling of the cream puffs make it IMPOSSIBLE that cream was also used on the Hot Chocolate? Certainly NOT!! neither did it prevent me from using cream in the pies and ON the pies. Therefore, just because the vials are filled with His wrath, does not make it impossible that he was angry BEFORE the vials. We can be SURE God is angry, when one trumpet kills 1/3 of the world's population.

Folks spiritually die because of deception....they are not physically slaughtered.

Yes, of course they are real days. The whole scenario MUST fit into 1260 days. And dead bodies would be eating by animals and insects LONG before 3500 years were up!! Surely you were not serious!!

God's real days are really one thousand years. The "dead bodies" are not actual flesh laying around in the street. It would be redundant to say "dead bodies." What other kind are there? :) What is meant is "spiritually dead bodies," otherwise....simply saying bodies would be sufficient.

GOOD!!

Coop

 

[whirlwind]

Because thats not what he says, that Satan is his wrath, he allows the great delusion and Satan because we believe a lie,and to turn the hearts of the Chhildren back to their Fathers.......

His wrath is upon Satan and his ONLY

Revelation 16 and Isa and Zep.

The Seven Bowls of God's Wrath

1Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go, pour out the seven bowls of God's wrath on the earth."


God wrath is the last thing he does its very specicfic and tied to the Lords Day
your verse in Peter just proves my point , the parable tells us to always be ready as we know not when the thief comes its a figure of speech
Peter 3:10 is when God destroys this earth and makes a new one, after the White throne Judgement, after the Millieum and there is no night at this time because he is our light.

And there's no night because Satan is a crispy critter.

Forget what I quoted from 11 Peter. I copied it from Bible Gateway. When I found it in my Bible the part "in the night" wasn't in the texts. Apparently the translators added it from the Thessalonians text. But...I stand by the Thesslonians quote of "in the night." It was there.

When the seventh trump has completed it's sounding....it's over. Remember though....there are days of it sounding. No one is able to repent after that blast ends. When the plagues are being poured there is still the opportunity for repentance. It is Satan's time as well as the time of the plagues.....

16:9-11 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, Which hath power over these plagues; and they repented not to give Him glory. And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, And blasphemed the God of heaven because fo their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

16:12-14 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water therof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

16:15-16 Behold, I COME AS A THIEF, Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame, And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the Temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done."​

The vials are being poured at the same time Satan's working miracles....all before Armageddon.

 

[Christina]

Christina, you were right to chastise Whirlwind, for he is wrong on everything.

Coop

First off coop I was not chatiseing Whirlwind, but having a discussion we may not agree on this
but she certainly needs no chatiseing from me.
and if my posts sound that way I will humbley ask her forgiveness
she is someone I consider my friend, and a serious Bible student.

Now you maybe a nice guy coop and you and I have had our debates over the last year or so, I even enjoyed them
but I dont have as much time to post here these days,
So I try to make it count and even though Im sure we do have some points of agreement... End times is not one of them ...
I have never met a Rapture believer that had the foggiest clue or understanding about end times events
why should they ..they think they are going to be gone ..and as long as Satan has you blinded with this false doctrine
I dont have time to get into another debate with you...
Come out of fairytale land and I will be very happy to talk with you
I wish you the best and you can believe what ever you chose to believe.
But time is short disgussing things of men and make believe isnt my priority

 

[jerryjohnson]

Sorry. Perhaps you would rather I had used the word prophesy?

Rev 11:3
...they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days...

But, in my defense, if they are called "witnesses," and I think prophecying can fit into witnessing.

Coop

It is the word "for" that I am talking about that is why I put the word "for" in red.

It is not talking about an amount of time but a topic to be learned. It is a message title.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy "a thousand two hundred and threescore days," clothed in sackcloth.

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You think? We have no appointment with His wrath. It astounds me that some want to show up without an appointment.
A careful study of chapter 7 will show the church in heaven before the 70th week begins.

Coop

Coop, No where does it talk about the church going anywhere in all of Revelation. The church is the mystery of God's Grace and it ends when the dispensation of judgment begins. Now if you choose to believe the lie that the church is flown away I can't stop you.