The devil's lie in Christian music

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You did know that one cannot be gay and be a Christian right?

Dan of course, however Lauren Daigle said this years ago, and in her defence it was on a Ellen DeGeneres show with a left leaning audience, so she probably felt very pressured to answer yes.

Just like I would feel pressured to agree in a Charlie Kirk interview on a few things that I may not agree with him on, don't get me wrong he has some good positions on certain moral issues and is a very strong interviewer, but he does have Trump rose coloured glasses on.

American conservatives and some Aussie and New Zealander conservatives cannot agree on everything. I have more of a conservative Pope Leo stance on certain issues, you gotta have morality, but you also gotta have compassion.
 

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I think it's important to not get too legalistic on this stuff, there is Christian music and then there is worship music.

Those like Lauren Daigle or even Skillet have gotten some wanting to find out more about Christianity, these kinds of artists they are reaching audiences others wouldn't usually reach, and then some of the listeners learn oh, there are some Christian themes in these songs and then they want to find out more about Jesus.
I agree with this.

Just like there's secular artist that were clearly going through spiritual changes that became obvious through their music and a lot of Christian artists that I would not recognize as being edifying.

I used to get offended easily by certain Christian artists that weren't *as* reverent, but there's a difference between devoted worship and still listening to clean music that glorifies God.


I think we should worry more about Christians spitting Snoop Dog lyrics at traffic stops while sporting fish bumper stickers in the back.
 
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My sheep hear my voice. Another they will not hear.....Jesus

If you cannot recognise the World in much of what is deemed Christian music, you are flirting with a dangerous alignment
 
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Surely snoop dog won’t go to hell for his pimp juice song @DuckieLady.

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If people like something or don’t they should just up front about it. I think personally. Not all taste of music is everyone’s thing.



In the context of a song and artist and living and making bounty off of it in itself is no bad thing. It is expressive art; and we have no inclination outside of that to even remotely judge them other than I like or I dislike.

Before God they are on their own.
 

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2 Peter 2:1-3
1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
2 Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;
3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.


It seems to me that, when it comes to modern "Christian" music, Peter hits the nail squarely on the head. The Church in the West has been industrialized; around it has clustered those who would make merchandise of (i.e. exploit) the Church, creating an industry of "teachers" who, for the sake of material gain and personal notoriety (think: Joel Osteen, Andy Stanley, Todd White, Kenneth Copeland, etc), secretly introduce destructive heresies into the Church and musicians who, for the same reasons, provoke the natural sensuality of Christians and lead them into grossly carnal and even blasphemous "concerts of worship." There is nothing of God in the "sound and fury" of modern "Christian" pop music, only the flesh in the costume of "spirituality" and "praise." God is not lifted up by these promoters of sensuality, they are.

2 Peter 2:13-15
13 ...They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you,
14 having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children;
15 forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;


Peter's words here are very applicable to the modern "worship" industry; terms like "pleasure," and "revel," and "carouse" describe modern "Christian worship" extremely well. And the fleshly tumult of these concerts mimics very closely the concerts of the God-hating lost whose music demonstrates that they are bound under the power of the World, the Flesh and the devil (Eph. 2:1-3; Tit. 3:3). What does God say to those who would know Him?

Psalm 46:10
10 Be still, and know that I am God...

Isaiah 32:16-18
16 Then judgment shall dwell in the wilderness, and righteousness remain in the fruitful field.
17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
18 And my people shall dwell in a peaceable habitation, and in sure dwellings, and in quiet resting places;

When Jesus wanted to draw near to the Father, to commune with Him, did Jesus look for sensual stimulation? Did he search for noise and colorful pageantry, for a jumping, screaming Mob whipped into an emotional frenzy by a cluster of musicians bouncing around a stage, pounding out tunes? No. Instead, he resorted to the solitude and stillness of the wilderness and mountains.

Scripture is very clear that spiritual living cannot come by way of fleshly, sensual living, by stimulation of one's physical senses and agitation of one's emotions. Fewer and fewer are the Christians today who know this, however.

James 3:15
15 This wisdom descends not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

2 Peter 2:9-10
9 ...the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment,
10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires...

Jude 1:18-19
18 ... there will be mockers in the last time, who will walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These are they who cause divisions, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Romans 13:12-14
12 The night is almost gone, and the day is near. Therefore let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.
13 Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy.
14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.


Galatians 5:17
17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.


Romans 8:5-8
5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.


The more sensual - that is, stimulating to the physical senses of one's flesh - a Christian's "worship" is, the less spiritual it is. The things of the Spirit and the things of the flesh don't mix; you can't make appeals to the flesh with pounding noise, flashing lights, fog and writhing, bouncing musicians and be having a genuinely spiritual experience. Caught up by the force of the Mob and the music, one may have an intensely emotional experience, but this is by no means therefore a spiritual experience. If God's word is correct, these two things - fleshly excitement and a spiritual encounter with God - are actually in opposition to one another.
 
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If you are a Christian who is born again from above by the saving Grace of God through the power of Jesus Christ. You will not compromise the gift God gave you by denying the Word of God through compromise. No pressure could sway me to agree to something the Holy Spirit disagreed with. I played Christian music and gospel music. I would not play in church unless I knew the writer and artist were both Christian.
 
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Dan of course, however Lauren Daigle said this years ago, and in her defence it was on a Ellen DeGeneres show with a left leaning audience, so she probably felt very pressured to answer yes.

Only a fake "christian" doesn't know what God's Word teaches on the gay thing and only a fake "christian" lets demonic people pressure them in to denying the Lord and the Truth of His Word.

Lauren Daigle is clearly a tare as are the majority of those in the "christian music industrial complex" mightily used by satan to bring deception to the masses misrepresenting the Lord Jesus bringing reproach upon the Lord Jesus and the Body of Christ.



Just like I would feel pressured to agree in a Charlie Kirk interview on a few things that I may not agree with him on

Yeah, in these last days most claiming to be Christians have NO spine to stand up and acknowledge publicly what they believe.




American conservatives and some Aussie and New Zealander conservatives cannot agree on everything. I have more of a conservative Pope Leo stance on certain issues, you gotta have morality, but you also gotta have compassion.

Politics and what passes for "morality" in the eyes of blind mankind.... have ZERO to do with God's Word.
 

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Surely snoop dog won’t go to hell for his pimp juice song @DuckieLady.

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If people like something or don’t they should just up front about it. I think personally. Not all taste of music is everyone’s thing.



In the context of a song and artist and living and making bounty off of it in itself is no bad thing. It is expressive art; and we have no inclination outside of that to even remotely judge them other than I like or I dislike.

Before God they are on their own.
Yet...

"Everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial. Everything is permissible, but not everything is edifying."

God was the intelligent creator of a perfect world with no sorrow or death, the greatest artist and most creative, but an act of sin brought on by deception took it away.

As for making a profit from music, well, what am I going to do? Go through their pocketbooks and ask what they're doing with it? That's not how I define a person's value or moral standing. That's outside the point.

Nobody is taking it with them. It's just a means of exchange for life on earth.
 

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Scripture is very clear that spiritual living cannot come by way of fleshly, sensual living, by stimulation of one's physical senses and agitation of one's emotions. Fewer and fewer are the Christians today who know this, however.
Amen! We are to be transformed by the renewing of our minds, no longer conforming to the pattern (think schematic) of this world. Our minds are renewed according to the knowledge of the One who creates us, that is, just like Jesus said, Learn of Me.

So we put the right things into our ears, and our thoughts, as we replay in our minds what we listen to, and watch. Scripture first, psalms, hymns, spiritual songs, songs that turn our spirits to the Lord, and to godly living.

Much love!
 

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Artist get paid for their work, to say they never had faith at the end of life would just be silly @DuckieLady. Whatever a person wants to reap and sow to themselves is on themselves.

Therefore my own life and your own life are different. To whatever those intargers are.
 

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Artist get paid for their work, to say they never had faith at the end of life would just be silly @DuckieLady. Whatever a person wants to reap and sow to themselves is on themselves.

Therefore my own life and your own life are different. To whatever those intargers are.
You shall know unbelievers by their fruit. Matthew 7:16-20
 

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Surely snoop dog won’t go to hell for his pimp juice song @DuckieLady.

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If people like something or don’t they should just up front about it. I think personally. Not all taste of music is everyone’s thing.



In the context of a song and artist and living and making bounty off of it in itself is no bad thing. It is expressive art; and we have no inclination outside of that to even remotely judge them other than I like or I dislike.

Before God they are on their own.
She was just using Christians singing Snoop Dogg lyrics as an example, as for secular music, some secular stuff is alright, some is not.

As for Snoop Dogg, it's not my cup of tea, I am not a fan of the lifestyle he raps about, even though his music was massively popular in our generation.
 
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Hello, @Josho, I am just conversing. I am also making another point. Thanks buddy, i don't care in the end what people listen to. Thats their preference.


I dont listen to music all that often myself personally. Regardless i like rap, and hard hitting beats but that is just personal.
 

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Another statement though @Josho, I'm sure Jesus loves those people. Regardless if someone else disregards their lifestyle. We dont really know how people live in their lives outside of the music they make anyway. Unless they show up being arrested etc. Doesn't make the person not of faith though.


Jesus loved going to a good party, and he ate with sinners.
 

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Hello, @Josho, I am just conversing. I am also making another point. Thanks buddy, i don't care in the end what people listen to. Thats their preference.


I dont listen to music all that often myself personally. Regardless i like rap, and hard hitting beats but that is just personal.
Well there's the lyrical content and I think that's what Duckie is getting at, however I won't judge you, you aren't the only one who listens for the sound.

I watched a Lecrae interview, and he mentioned he listens to secular rap to get artistry ideas, those are not the exact words he said but something along those lines, however he likes the certain style worldly rappers rap, even though he doesn't agree with the lyrics. In the same interview he mentioned a lot of these worldly rappers come from very broken environments.

Skillet also has some "musical influences" from some worldly bands too like Metallica and Linkin Park, as long as Christian metal band Stryper.

Music is an artform, and Christian artists do borrow some musical ideas from the world, some people on here may slam that, but who is to say Christian music must be of only one genre.

If I was a professional Christian music artist, I would incorporate a heavy amount of Pedal Steel guitar as I do like that traditional country sound and throw in some Alan Jackson, George Strait musical ideas... In saying that I also like a reggae beat and I really like what Christafari is doing with Christian music and I may also do a bit of that myself if I was in a position like that.

As for secular reggae I find myself having to skip a lot of songs, as it doesn't just sit right with me listening to some of those songs, I can't say secular country is perfect either, if I want to nitpick there are too many songs about drinking to get drunk in secular country.

We are living in a broken world though and not everybody has a squeaky clean journey through life.
 

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You did know that one cannot be gay and be a Christian right?

Homosexuals can trust in Christ, same as you.

Homosexuality is just sin........a lifestyle of sexual sin.

Everyone is a sinner.......and "Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS".

God does not require that you stop sinning before He will save you........in fact, its because "all have sinned"....... that "while we were YET sinners"...... Jesus saved us.

So, the only way a Homosexual is going to be able to leave that perverted sexual bondage is exactly the same way that any sinner who trusts in Christ can become free from whatever it is that they are manifesting as their particular sinful bondage.

"but behold ...., are you saying that the sex perverts can keep being one after they are saved"?

A.) Dumb question that is found in the immature mind of a self righteous fool........who has no spiritual wisdom, or understanding of The Cross of Christ or the sin cleansing power of the Blood of Jesus.


The reality is....... Homosexuals, Drunkards, Child molestors, Murderers, Drug addicts, Atheists, Porn addicts, or any other type of SINNER......is welcome to come to God through Christ and find deliverance from bondage to sin.
 
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Well there's the lyrical content and I think that's what Duckie is getting at, however I won't judge you, you aren't the only one who listens for the sound.

I watched a Lecrae interview, and he mentioned he listens to secular rap to get artistry ideas, those are not the exact words he said but something along those lines, however he likes the certain style worldly rappers rap, even though he doesn't agree with the lyrics. In the same interview he mentioned a lot of these worldly rappers come from very broken environments.

Skillet also has some "musical influences" from some worldly bands too like Metallica and Linkin Park, as long as Christian metal band Stryper.

Music is an artform, and Christian artists do borrow some musical ideas from the world, some people on here may slam that, but who is to say Christian music must be of only one genre.

If I was a professional Christian music artist, I would incorporate a heavy amount of Pedal Steel guitar as I do like that traditional country sound and throw in some Alan Jackson, George Strait musical ideas... In saying that I also like a reggae beat and I really like what Christafari is doing with Christian music and I may also do a bit of that myself if I was in a position like that.

As for secular reggae I find myself having to skip a lot of songs, as it doesn't just sit right with me listening to some of those songs, I can't say secular country is perfect either, if I want to nitpick there are too many songs about drinking to get drunk in secular country.

We are living in a broken world though and not everybody has a squeaky clean journey through life.
With that being said, I am finding more and more each day that Christian music is way more uplifting by far, compared to secular music.
 

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With that being said, I am finding more and more each day that Christian music is way more uplifting by far, compared to secular music.

This is "recent" Contemporary Christian Music.

Katy is 22 yrs old.

Reader....See what you think about the lyrics and the song itself..
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This is "recent" Contemporary Christian Music.

Katy is 22 yrs old.

Reader....See what you think about the lyrics and the song itself..
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It's inspirational to be sure. I can see how believers might find it uplifting, but an unbeliever wouldn't come away from listening with an understanding of his sin or how to be saved. It seems more directed at the Christian market to sell them and profit from it.