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Featured The Devil's Lies Must be Exposed - Do Not Be Deceived

Discussion in 'Unorthodox Doctrine Forum' started by AlertChristians, Dec 6, 2018 at 9:21 PM.

  1. AlertChristians

    AlertChristians Member

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    John 6:70
    70 Jesus answered them, Did not I choose you the twelve, and one of you is a devil?

    Judas Iscariot was a devil. The Lord Jesus knew who he was before choosing him as a disciple, a devil. Since Judas looked like a man, how could the Lord say that he was a devil?

    In the same way Satan is referred to as a serpent, the Great Dragon, and can disguise himself as an angel of light, Judas could also look like a devil. Today this is known online as shapeshifting. Anyone can see this supernatural behavior on YouTube by searching words like "shapeshifter eyes", "shapeshifter reptilian", or "shapeshifter compilation".

    Supernatural parentage is accounted for in the Holy Bible.
    For example, Genesis 3:15.
    15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    God states here Satan will have children. And there's no indication that he ever stopped having children; he is still having children and has done so for thousands of years. God put hate between Satan and Eve because they had the child Cain. And God put hate between their children.

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    The Holy Bible Accounts for Shapeshifting.

    2 Corinthians 11:14
    And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

    In addition to being able to disguise himself as an angel of light, Satan is also referred to as the Great Dragon, a serpent, and like lightening (falling from Heaven). Shapeshifting is the word used today to describe this ability.

    Satan has been having children since the Garden of Eden. Genesis 3:15 refers to Satan as having children. Matthew 13:38-39 refers to children of the wicked one (Satan).

    It reasonably follows that Satan's children, regardless of the mothers, would have supernatural (above human) abilities that would include shapeshifting.

    YouTube.com has many videos showing shapeshifting of various kinds. Search "shapeshifter compilation" or "shapeshifter eyes".

    Satan's lie for the existence of shapeshifting would be aliens or extra-terrestrials having children in the world.

    The Dead Sea Scrolls show the Holy Bible has been tampered with, including Genesis 4:1, which falsely claims Cain was a son of Adam and Eve. Cain was a son of Satan and Eve.
     
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  2. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Not exactly. Cain was the offspring of Adam and Eve (Gen 4:1).

    And Adam knew [had intimate relations with] Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

    We need to be careful that while trying to expose the lies of Satan, we ourselves accurately present what is stated in Scripture.
     
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  3. Hidden In Him

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    Umm.. Alert, I won't comment on literal children of the Devil other than to say that might not be the best material to meditate on.

    But as to your use of John 6:70, διάβολος simply meant "adversary/accuser/enemy." Regardless of how it is translated (and now that you draw attention to it I think it was almost universally translated poorly), Jesus was not here saying Judas was literally a demon and/or a shapeshifter. The Greek word was used to translate a couple different Hebrew words in the LXX that meant "enemy," and Liddell-Scott likewise lists "enemy" as the proper translation of διάβολος in certain LXX uses. Thus proper translation should be:

    70 Jesus answered them, "Did I not choose you twelve, and one of you is an enemy?" 71 But He spoke of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for this one was about to betray him, being one of the twelve.
     
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  4. VictoryinJesus

    VictoryinJesus Well-Known Member

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    Matthew 7:22-23
    [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew [had an intimate relationship with] you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
     
  5. Hidden In Him

    Hidden In Him Well-Known Member

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    Ummmm..... Victory, your point was?
     
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  6. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    You are seriously mistaken, and Bible Hub can be cut and pasted to show you why:

    New International Version
    Then Jesus replied, "Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!"
    New Living Translation
    Then Jesus said, "I chose the twelve of you, but one is a devil."
    English Standard Version
    Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.”
    New American Standard Bible
    Jesus answered them, "Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?"
    King James Bible
    Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    Jesus replied to them, "Didn't I choose you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is the Devil!"
    International Standard Version
    Jesus answered them, "I chose you, the Twelve, didn't I? Yet one of you is a devil."
    NET Bible
    Jesus replied, "Didn't I choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is the devil?"
    Aramaic Bible in Plain English
    Yeshua said to them, “Have I not chosen you twelve, and one of you is a Satan?”
    GOD'S WORD® Translation
    Jesus replied, "I chose all twelve of you. Yet, one of you is a devil."
    Jubilee Bible 2000
    Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
    King James 2000 Bible
    Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
    American King James Version
    Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
    American Standard Version
    Jesus answered them, Did not I choose you the twelve, and one of you is a devil?
    Douay-Rheims Bible
    Jesus answered them: Have not I chosen you twelve; and one of you is a devil?
    Darby Bible Translation
    Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you the twelve? and of you one is a devil.
    English Revised Version
    Jesus answered them, Did not I choose you the twelve, and one of you is a devil?
    Webster's Bible Translation
    Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

    Not a single translation says "enemy". And not "the devil" (as some have shown) but "a devil".
     
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  7. Hidden In Him

    Hidden In Him Well-Known Member

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    Yes, Enoch. I saw it. Let me ask you then: In what sense did He mean Judas was a devil?
     
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    So is Peter also a devil? "Get thee behind me Satan"?
     
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  9. Hidden In Him

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    Well, see the question here is why was he calling Peter Satan. It seems likely He was addressing Satan himself because Jesus used the exact same expression when He addressed him directly during the temptation (Luke 4:8). But I attribute this to be Jesus addressing Satan whom He discerned was speaking through Peter.

    Telling the disciples that one of them actually was a devil, however, leaves less leeway. The Greek clearly uses the word "is." (καὶ ἐξ ὑμῶν εἷς διάβολός ἐστιν = "And from among you one a devil is")
     
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    Mmmm. Perhaps there comes a time in ones treachery when there is such lowering of ones state of spiritual reality that the spokesman and the inspirer are one and the same.
     
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  11. Hidden In Him

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    Ummm... I think that might be going a little too far myself. I certainly think we can be used as mouthpieces through which demons or even Satan himself can speak, and I think we see that happen with Christians all the time unfortunately. But to say they actually become completely one with those demons, even if only momentarily, seems to me to be stretching it just a bit.
     
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  12. VictoryinJesus

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    Was Judas an enemy for our sake? If so, would Judas be included in Romans 11:26 “And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:”

    Romans 11:29-33
    [29] For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. [30] For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: [31] Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. [32] For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. [33] O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

    Yes or no? Would Judas be included in “all Israel”?
     
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  13. Hidden In Him

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    I do not believe Judas obtained mercy, no. Why do you ask?
     
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    Do you think Adam obtained mercy?
     
  15. Hidden In Him

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    Certainly.
     
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    I'm wondering where in Scripture it clearly says that Adam was justified by faith. (Hebrews 11 dies speak of the faith of Abel.)
     
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    Why is it so easy and quick to say Adam, “certainly”? When Romans 5:12 says “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

    John 17:12
    [12] While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

    You didn’t answer. Was Judas an enemy for your sake?
     
  18. Hidden In Him

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    I thought your question was if Judas would be included in all Israel, and if he would obtain mercy according to Romans 11:29-33, so I said no.

    Was Judas an enemy of God because of me? No, I don't think he was an enemy of God because of me. I wasn't even alive back then. Not sure what you are asking me.
     
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    Luke 22:3 and John 13:27 indicate Judas was not a devil when Jesus chose him.

    Luke 22:3 Then Satan entered into Judas called Iscariot, who was of the number of the twelve.
    John 13:27 And after the sop, then entered Satan into him. Jesus therefore saith unto him, What thou doest, do quickly.

    It seems his own selfish thinking and greedy attitude allowed Satan to enter an otherwise "righteous" man that Jesus had chosen and trained for years.
     
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  20. VictoryinJesus

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    Why is Judas not included in Romans 11:29-33. Matthew 27:3-5
    [3] Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, [4] Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that . [5] And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

    How cold and unmerciful: “What is that to us? see thou to that.”
     
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