The Doctrine that Blasphemes the Holy Ghost

[ScottA]

Warn against what? Doing righteousness at all times and not sinning, nor lusting to do so from the heart?

It's time to declare yourself:

Are you an unrighteous christian sinner, or a righteous Christian saint?

I do not answer to you--besides, I have told you already.

 

[Robert Gwin]

In your own way, as it is with many, you have elaborated with errors the words of one resurrection and one ascension, aka two resurrections (just as it was with Jesus, whom we follow): That is, that resurrection of "the last who are first", followed by "the first who are last"--which "we by no means proceed." Which is to say, you have made Two events into multiple events, even occurring at multiple times--those two events that did occurred once in Christ, first in his resurrection from the dead, then in his ascension unto the Father. Which, even I too have now said in different ways--not to multiply the number, but only to explain.

Just as God has unfolded the events in word for revelation, they must also be refolded to Christ. You have the words, I have explained them.

Bringing back the most recently deceased persons first makes sense Scott. Jehovah's people have always been educated in His ways, and there have been many changes over the centuries among His people. We will continue to be educated in the coming Kingdom, and those most recently deceased are the best to bring those previous ones up to speed. That is why we believe the last will be resurrected first. Make sense to you sir?

 

[Robert Gwin]

If you're not going to correct anything, then it stands.

They were accusing Jesus' good work as unrighteous, and He said they were blaspheming the Holy Ghost who did the good work with Him.

And so it is to accusing Jesus' righteous flesh and bones as self-righteous.

The result is the same: there is no forgiveness available to them who condemn righteousness without sinning as self-righteous boasting.

They must first repent of the delusional lie, before they can ever even think of repenting from sinning.

As you said, deliberately working against His purposes of purifying and sanctifying to Himself a righteous and holy church today, to resurrect in the last day.

Yes sir, fully agree.

 

[ScottA]

Bringing back the most recently deceased persons first makes sense Scott. Jehovah's people have always been educated in His ways, and there have been many changes over the centuries among His people. We will continue to be educated in the coming Kingdom, and those most recently deceased are the best to bring those previous ones up to speed. That is why we believe the last will be resurrected first. Make sense to you sir?

No...and that is not biblical.

Biblically, the first and the last used by Jesus to outline and give understanding about the resurrection is best summarized by Paul, saying "to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile" Romans 2:10. Which is even a foreshadowing of the greater spiritual truth of: "However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual" 1 Corinthians 15:46. Which Paul also refers to as "the dead in Christ" as Israel having died in their sins before salvation came; and "the living in Christ" as those in Christ who receive salvation while alive...which is that first resurrection of whom Christ is the firstfruits.

As for the dead in Christ who were born and died before salvation had come, it is written: "But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished" Revelation 20:5. Being the first into the world, they were the last to receive salvation. However, having died with Christ, which itself came first--we who are alive in Christ and a part of that first resurrection, have not preceded the dead 1 Thessalonians 4:15.

 

[ScottA]

So, I tried to think better of you, but not.

All of your writings are a mixture of pseudo spiritual and mystical prophecies of a corrupted soul, who thinks he is already resurrected from the dead and recieved his immortal body in heavenly places, while his poor hapless flesh remains on earth, all on it's own to sin or not to sin daily, as the mood strikes, or as the old newsreel plays itself out.

I have saved your quotes to post on the threads of their own, and I believe I will begin with your sinners bearing sins delusion, when I unravel it from your spirit-speak.

"Spirit-speak" -- thanks for the compliment!

 

[Heart2Soul]

Members please do not make these threads a personal platform to attack another member over their beliefs.
Yes there are many doctrines of faith presented on these forums...everyone has a right to express their beliefs without fear of being attacked by another member of a different belief.
ADDRESS THE TOPIC NOT THE INDIVIDUAL!!!!!!!!
Thank you and God Bless

 

[marksman]

Can I simplify things? To blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is to call the work of the Spirit the work of Satan. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Can I simplify things? To blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is to call the work of the Spirit the work of Satan. Nothing more and nothing less.

Maybe a little more explanation....and please forgive my cut and paste from a fellow believer but he says it so well it doesn't need any editing...
"Thus, the unforgiveable sin of blasphemy against the Spirit is not a wayward word uttered in a moment of anger. Nor is it some other dramatic sin, like murder, or suicide, or adultery. There is not a hint in Matthew 12 that Jesus had such sins in mind. (Besides, don’t we observe God forgiving such sins throughout the Bible?—think only of the narratives of David and Paul). Rather, as stated before, blasphemy against the Spirit is ongoing hardening of your heart against the Holy Spirit who is trying to lead you to repent of sin and believe in Christ. It is an issue of the heart that manifests in one’s words (and actions). Someone who hardens his or her heart against the convicting ministry of the Holy Spirit and who refuses to repent of sin and turn to Christ in faith has committed a sin that never can be forgiven. The person who repeatedly and without repentance rejects the Holy Spirit’s testimony to Christ is the one who has blasphemed the Holy Spirit. That sin is the only sin that never will be forgiven."
What is the Unforgiveable Sin? What is Blasphemy against the Spirit?

 

[GTW27]

It is as Jesus said, no more, no less. There is no wiggle room.

 

[Heart2Soul]

It is as Jesus said, no more, no less. There is no wiggle room.

Jesus said the Pharisees were guilty of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit because they accused Him of casting out demons by the power of Baal...and accusing Him of having an unclean spirit.
This kind of blasphemy is not possible for us because Jesus is seated at the right hand of God..."The unpardonable sin today is the state of continued unbelief. The Spirit currently convicts the unsaved world of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:8). To resist that conviction and willfully remain unrepentant is to “blaspheme” the Spirit. There is no pardon, either in this age or in the age to come, for a person who rejects the Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ and then dies in unbelief."
What is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? | GotQuestions.org
Again excuse my copy and paste for what is in quotations...I fully agree with this ministry on this topic.

 

[Enoch111]

Jesus said the Pharisees were guilty of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit because they accused Him of casting out demons by the power of Baal...

That would be "Beelzebub" (in Greek Beelzeboul) but close enough. That is another name for the devil. It originally meant "dung god" or "god of the flies", or "lord of the flies" (since Satan stinks).

 

[Heart2Soul]

That would be "Beelzebub" (in Greek Beelzeboul) but close enough. That is another name for the devil. It originally meant "dung god" or "god of the flies", or "lord of the flies" (since Satan stinks).

I did not know that...but now I do!
Thanks for sharing.

 

[GTW27]

Jesus said the Pharisees were guilty of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit because they accused Him of casting out demons by the power of Baal...and accusing Him of having an unclean spirit.
This kind of blasphemy is not possible for us because Jesus is seated at the right hand of God..."The unpardonable sin today is the state of continued unbelief. The Spirit currently convicts the unsaved world of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:8). To resist that conviction and willfully remain unrepentant is to “blaspheme” the Spirit. There is no pardon, either in this age or in the age to come, for a person who rejects the Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ and then dies in unbelief."
What is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? | GotQuestions.org
Again excuse my copy and paste for what is in quotations...I fully agree with this ministry on this topic.

Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against The Spirit will not be forgiven. And who ever says a word against The Son of Man will be forgiven; but who ever speaks against The Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age, or in the age to come.