The Doctrines of Grace

[PinSeeker]

... what I am saying is that you are contradicting hundreds of Scripture.

I totally respect your opinion. <smile> I just refuted the first two alleged "contradictions" on my part in Post #998. Feel free to answer to that at any time; I'm sure that would be... interesting. Because right now, you're just saying stuff without even attempting to back any of your... "stuff"... up. Give it a try. <smile>

And... I would be very interested in the other... "hundreds." <chuckles>

If God wants all people to be saved, how can his desire be thwarted. Is God unable to perform his will?

Hmmm, okay, so are all people going to be saved, KUWN? Is that what you think? Are you a universalist?

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Ever wonder why God condemned mankind in Adam?

Note this in Rom 11.32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Paul is not dealing with the doctrine of original sin in Rom 11:32 He is speaking to born again Jews. He is simply telling them that God is going to show His children in the Gentile nations, the same mercy He is showing the Jews.

Please be careful how you handle the Word of God, you don't want to arouse His wrath.

Your suggestion that God will have mercy on all of them, makes God a liar. The truth is they will beg for mercy but God will show them no mercy as He casts them into the lake of fire.
God only shows mercy to His children, the Devils children will be cast into the lake of fire with the Devil and His Demons.

 

[Scott Downey]

Paul is not dealing with the doctrine of original sin in Rom 11:32 He is speaking to born again Jews. He is simply telling them that God is going to show His children in the Gentile nations, the same mercy He is showing the Jews.

Please be careful how you handle the Word of God, you don't want to arouse His wrath.

Your suggestion that God will have mercy on all of them, makes God a liar. The truth is they will beg for mercy but God will show them no mercy as He casts them into the lake of fire.
God only shows mercy to His children, the Devils children will be cast into the lake of fire with the Devil and His Demons.

The idea is God may or may not have mercy on all.
We know God shows mercy and compassion to whom He will.
And God hardens others.

Romans 9

10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice​

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As He says also in Hosea:

“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”
27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:

“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.
28 For [b]He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
29 And as Isaiah said before:

“Unless the Lord of [c]Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We would have become like Sodom,
And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”

 

[Scott Downey]

All of the apostle's doctrines are focused on the mercy of God which caused people to believe in Christ.
Do a word study on mercy and you will see that.

God's mercy for you turns into belief in the Son.
The others though, did not receive any mercy from God to be saved.
His great love for you is compassion.

Ephesians 2
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)

 

[KUWN]

If God wants all people to be saved, how can his desire be thwarted. Is God unable to perform his will?

Hmmm, okay, so are all people going to be saved, KUWN? Is that what you think? Are you a universalist?

Explain how God wants all people saved but not all people are saved? How is that possible? Interpret the quoted verse, don't avoid it. I want an explanation as you see it. Asking questions is not an answer. Interpret the verse please.

 

[Behold]

God only shows mercy to His children,

The Cross of Christ is not God "showing mercy" to Christians or to "His Children".
Its God showing mercy to us all.......= "ALL have sinned, there is none righteous, no not one""

 

[Scott Downey]

Hmmm, okay, so are all people going to be saved, KUWN? Is that what you think? Are you a universalist?

Explain how God wants all people saved but not all people are saved? How is that possible? Interpret the quoted verse, don't avoid it. I want an explanation as you see it. Asking questions is not an answer. Interpret the verse please.

This is according to God's purposes, that God sovereignly by His mercy saves some people even though expressing a desire in His word that everyone believe in His Son. God also commands all men everywhere to believe in Acts 17.
Nothing can separate His elect from the Love of God.

Romans 8
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

God’s Everlasting Love​

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written:

“For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”
37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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Some people are called to be saints and are preserved in Christ
Ephesians 1 is written to, and for and about His saints
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Greeting​

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,

To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Redemption in Christ​

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He [a]made us accepted in the Beloved.

7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and [b]prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, [c]both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Prayer for Spiritual Wisdom​

15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, 18 the eyes of your [f]understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality[g] and [h]power and [i]might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.

22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

 

[Behold]

Some people are called to be saints and are preserved in Christ

Its '""Gods will that everyone (all) believe in Jesus, whom God sent".

So, this is the Offer of THe Cross of Christ, as "all who will Believe"......or "To Whosoever will believe".....John 3:16

This is the context of "Jesus came into the world to save sinners".., and "all" are sinners.

Now, Lying Hyper Calvinism, denies The Cross, and insults the Grace of God by its demonic teaching that God wont allow some people to Trust in Christ.
This is the original John Calvinism false theology that was eventually evolved into "only the pre-destined" can believe.

So, this is one of Satan's finest "doctrines of devils"......one of the "big 3".

1.) MaryCult

2.) Calvinism, as Hyper Calvinism

3.) Islam