The Easter Bunny

[Mungo]

I object to the name Easter, the bunny, eggs and all that garbage. I also object to the lies about the death and resurrection. He did not die on friday and rise on sunday.

Am I right then that you do not object to our celebrating Christ's Passover Supper, Passion, Death and Resurrection, but to the timing of those celebrations?

Of your stated objections can we look at the word Easter first?

The word is peculiar to English - and German (Ostern) from which it is thought to be derived.

Other languages use their word for:
1. the Hebrew & Greek Pascha (e.g. Latin, French, Dutch, Polish , and many more).
2. 'Resurrection' (e.g. Chinese, Bosnian, Korean and others)
3. 'Great Day' (most Slavic languages such as Bulgarian & Czech)
4. A few others such as Persian (Chaste Feast) & Geogian (rising)

There are several theories as to the derivation of the word Easter.
The first is that it comes from the name of Saxon godess Eostre. The only source for this the 7th/8th century monk Bede (but see more below about this).

According to the Encyclopedia Brittanics:
There is now widespread consensus that the word derives from the Christian designation of Easter week as in albis, a Latin phrase that was understood as the plural of alba (“dawn”) and became eostarum in Old High German, the precursor of the modern German and English term.

There is a third theory that the name is based on alba meaning 'white' because of the white vestments used at this time. These two theories of 'alba' are merged in the explanation from religioustolerance.org:
The name given by the Frankish church to Jesus' resurrection festival included the Latin word "alba" which means "white." (This was a reference to the white robes that were worn during the festival.) "Alba" also has a second meaning: "sunrise." When the name of the festival was translated into German, the "sunrise" meaning was selected in error. This became "ostern" in German. Ostern has been proposed as the origin of the word "Easter".

A different theory is suggested by the Catholic apologist, Taylor Marshall.
The Anglo-Saxons called the Spring equinox "Eostre". It was a astronomical description. Since pagans ceremoniously celebrate astronomical events as holy days, the natural phenomenon (the spring equinox as a "shining") and the religious feast (the goddess of fertility and light, Ashtorah) were indistinguishable.

Anglo-Saxons didn't borrow the name of a goddess for the feast of Christ's resurrection. They simply denoted it by the name of the natural phenomenon (the spring equinox), since the festival is calculated by using marking the equinox. It just happens that the name of the goddess and the name of the feast are etymologically connected. This would confirm the exact context of Bede's words:
"Eostur-month, which is now interpreted as the paschal month, was formerly named after the goddess Eostre, and has given its name to the festival."

Whichever explanation you prefer it seems that the word Easter is not simply taken from the pagan godess Eostre.

Note: As the official language of the Catholic Church is Latin, the official name for the celebrations at this time of year is Pascha

 

[heretoeternity]

As usual you provide no evidence for these claims.

Ex 20:16
"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
You claim you obey all the Ten Commandments. Why do you not obey this one?

It seems to be impossible to have a discussion with you because you make wild claims with no evidence and just seem intent on trolling Catholics. You don't enter into debate.

Are you here just to insult?

This is a discussion forum not an anti-Catholic insult forum.

As usual you provide no evidence for these claims.

Ex 20:16








Of course Mungo when anyone quotes the Bible you consider that to be bashing of your roman religious system....manmade quotes mean nothing, the words of the Bible are the ones to follow....but you keep following your pope, the human being you consider infallible...all these mean nothing. The Bible is the authority on all spiritual matters..you should know that by now..read Revelation 13,17 and 18 to see what God thinks of your religious system.
"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
You claim you obey all the Ten Commandments. Why do you not obey this one?

It seems to be impossible to have a discussion with you because you make wild claims with no evidence and just seem intent on trolling Catholics. You don't enter into debate.

Are you here just to insult?

This is a discussion forum not an anti-Catholic insult forum.

 

[FHII]

Whichever explanation you prefer it seems that the word Easter is not simply taken from the pagan godess Eostre.

Note: As the official language of the Catholic Church is Latin, the official name for the celebrations at this time of year is Pascha

I don't prefer any of them. They all sound like an attempt to make the term more acceptable. I am not buying any of it.

 

[Stranger]

I don't prefer any of them. They all sound like an attempt to make the term more acceptable. I am not buying any of it.

I don't understand. Easter is the time we acknowledge the resurrection of Jesus Christ. What is wrong with that?

If you don't want to call it Easter, fine. It is still the time we acknowledge the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Are you saying there is a problem in acknowledging the resurrection of Christ on a certain day?

Stranger

 

[FHII]

I don't understand. Easter is the time we acknowledge the resurrection of Jesus Christ. What is wrong with that?

If you don't want to call it Easter, fine. It is still the time we acknowledge the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Are you saying there is a problem in acknowledging the resurrection of Christ on a certain day?

Stranger

I object to the name Easter, the bunny, eggs and all that garbage. I also object to the lies about the death and resurrection. He did not die on friday and rise on sunday.

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't understand. Easter is the time we acknowledge the resurrection of Jesus Christ. What is wrong with that?

If you don't want to call it Easter, fine. It is still the time we acknowledge the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Are you saying there is a problem in acknowledging the resurrection of Christ on a certain day?

Stranger

"Gee, i just can't figure out what's wrong with Ishtar, gee, i mean it's in the Bible and everything...as long as you stick to the KJV...and don't look in the Lexicon...and don't care about it having no Witness...and you don't care about Christ being our Passover"...and...snarf.

you should stick to maybe being a critic of Fiction, Stranger. No offense.

 

[heretoeternity]

As usual you provide no evidence for these claims.

Ex 20:16
"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
You claim you obey all the Ten Commandments. Why do you not obey this one?

It seems to be impossible to have a discussion with you because you make wild claims with no evidence and just seem intent on trolling Catholics. You don't enter into debate.

Are you here just to insult?

This is a discussion forum not an anti-Catholic insult forum.

As usual you provide no evidence for these claims.

Ex 20:16








Of course Mungo when anyone quotes the Bible you consider that to be bashing of your roman religious system....manmade quotes mean nothing, the words of the Bible are the ones to follow....but you keep following your pope, the human being you consider infallible...all these mean nothing. The Bible is the authority on all spiritual matters..you should know that by now..read Revelation 13,17 and 18 to see what God thinks of your religious system.
"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
You claim you obey all the Ten Commandments. Why do you not obey this one?

It seems to be impossible to have a discussion with you because you make wild claims with no evidence and just seem intent on trolling Catholics. You don't enter into debate.

Are you here just to insult?

This is a discussion forum not an anti-Catholic insult forum.

Interesting website to read: End times deception the antichrist hidden in plain sight....you should check it out..

 

[Stranger]

I object to the name Easter, the bunny, eggs and all that garbage. I also object to the lies about the death and resurrection. He did not die on friday and rise on sunday.

I don't believe any Christian here is thinking that Easter is about rabbits and eggs. It is about the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

If Christ did not die on Friday and rise on Monday, when did He die and rise?

Stranger

 

[FHII]

I don't believe any Christian here is thinking that Easter is about rabbits and eggs. It is about the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

If Christ did not die on Friday and rise on Monday, when did He die and rise?

Stranger

Do you believe there might be Christians on this page thay told their little Children about the Easter Bunny and set out easter baskets for their children to find?

How bout Santa? Do you think some Christians on this board told that lie to their children?

Jesus died on Wednesday and rose from the dead on Saturday before sundown.

 

[Stranger]

Do you believe there might be Christians on this page thay told their little Children about the Easter Bunny and set out easter baskets for their children to find?

How bout Santa? Do you think some Christians on this board told that lie to their children?

Jesus died on Wednesday and rose from the dead on Saturday before sundown.

No Christians I know ever knew thought the Easter Bunny or Santa Clause replaced Jesus Christ.

Ok. Prove your point that Jesus died on a Wednesday and rose on a Saturday.

Stranger

 

[epostle1]

Am I right then that you do not object to our celebrating Christ's Passover Supper, Passion, Death and Resurrection, but to the timing of those celebrations?

Of your stated objections can we look at the word Easter first?

The word is peculiar to English - and German (Ostern) from which it is thought to be derived.

Other languages use their word for:
1. the Hebrew & Greek Pascha (e.g. Latin, French, Dutch, Polish , and many more).
2. 'Resurrection' (e.g. Chinese, Bosnian, Korean and others)
3. 'Great Day' (most Slavic languages such as Bulgarian & Czech)
4. A few others such as Persian (Chaste Feast) & Geogian (rising)

There are several theories as to the derivation of the word Easter.
The first is that it comes from the name of Saxon godess Eostre. The only source for this the 7th/8th century monk Bede (but see more below about this).

According to the Encyclopedia Brittanics:
There is now widespread consensus that the word derives from the Christian designation of Easter week as in albis, a Latin phrase that was understood as the plural of alba (“dawn”) and became eostarum in Old High German, the precursor of the modern German and English term.

There is a third theory that the name is based on alba meaning 'white' because of the white vestments used at this time. These two theories of 'alba' are merged in the explanation from religioustolerance.org:
The name given by the Frankish church to Jesus' resurrection festival included the Latin word "alba" which means "white." (This was a reference to the white robes that were worn during the festival.) "Alba" also has a second meaning: "sunrise." When the name of the festival was translated into German, the "sunrise" meaning was selected in error. This became "ostern" in German. Ostern has been proposed as the origin of the word "Easter".

A different theory is suggested by the Catholic apologist, Taylor Marshall.
The Anglo-Saxons called the Spring equinox "Eostre". It was a astronomical description. Since pagans ceremoniously celebrate astronomical events as holy days, the natural phenomenon (the spring equinox as a "shining") and the religious feast (the goddess of fertility and light, Ashtorah) were indistinguishable.

Anglo-Saxons didn't borrow the name of a goddess for the feast of Christ's resurrection. They simply denoted it by the name of the natural phenomenon (the spring equinox), since the festival is calculated by using marking the equinox. It just happens that the name of the goddess and the name of the feast are etymologically connected. This would confirm the exact context of Bede's words:
"Eostur-month, which is now interpreted as the paschal month, was formerly named after the goddess Eostre, and has given its name to the festival."

Whichever explanation you prefer it seems that the word Easter is not simply taken from the pagan godess Eostre.

Note: As the official language of the Catholic Church is Latin, the official name for the celebrations at this time of year is Pascha

You get an A+. Excellent work.

 

[mjrhealth]

Passion, Deat

Heb_12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

How can one celebrtae the death of Christ He was put to "shame" by our deeds, Christ is alive He is not dead, He does not die every easter neirther is He re reseructed 3 days later, how long wil man Keep Him on a cross He hasnt being on for over 25000 years. Was His shame not enough that we have to remind Him. Easter is about chocolate eggs and bunneies but if it causes men to think of Christ for one day, what does it matter.

 

[Josho]

Well let's get down to the main point Easter bunny's taste good, chocolate tastes great, and there's nothing wrong with feasting on chocolate to celebrate Jesus, we shouldn't look at Easter as a time of doom and gloom, Jesus the New Testament guy would surely approve of us using Easter as a time to celebrate what he did for us on the Cross. It should be a time of rejoicing and feasting and that's what we do. Kids and adults and people of all ages are allowed to have fun during Easter. After all God created all the cute wittle bunny wabbits.

Do the Pharisees approve? :lol:

 

[FHII]

No Christians I know ever knew thought the Easter Bunny or Santa Clause replaced Jesus Christ.

Ok. Prove your point that Jesus died on a Wednesday and rose on a Saturday.

Stranger

I have a better idea: why don't you prove he died on Friday and raised on Monday.

 

[bbyrd009]

Well let's get down to the main point Easter bunny's taste good, chocolate tastes great, and there's nothing wrong with feasting on chocolate to celebrate Jesus, we shouldn't look at Easter as a time of doom and gloom, Jesus the New Testament guy would surely approve of us using Easter as a time to celebrate what he did for us on the Cross. It should be a time of rejoicing and feasting and that's what we do. Kids and adults and people of all ages are allowed to have fun during Easter. After all God created all the cute wittle bunny wabbits.

Do the Pharisees approve? :lol:

no kidding. But hey, we talk about Jesus during Ishtar, 2-3 minutes a day, at least; same as Christmas. We give Christ His due right? Right after santa claus. Stranger is right, then, nobody i know forgets all about Christ during these occasions, all any of you have to do is go ask your kids what these two Holidays mean to them, and of course "Christ" will be the first word out of their mouths, right? And, after all, the important one, Passover, that's the biggie, and that's still in there...somewhere...right? And sure, we made Christmas into the biggie, but that's ok with Christ, too, right?


Whew.

 

[bbyrd009]

i mean, ignore it all you like, and Latinize it all you want, but at a certain point, don't be surprised when you also have to ignore "what is to be done with you?"

you who so boldly state your errant opinions as coming from God? so much so that you know, and anyone pointing out Scripture to you is a "sore loser?"

 

[Stranger]

I have a better idea: why don't you prove he died on Friday and raised on Monday.

FHI

Yeah, my mistake. I don't know why I said Monday. Too late to edit by the time I saw it.

So, will you prove he died on Wednesday and was raised on Saturday?

Stranger

 

[FHII]

FHI

Yeah, my mistake. I don't know why I said Monday. Too late to edit by the time I saw it.

So, will you prove he died on Wednesday and was raised on Saturday?

Stranger

I'll give you the extremely short version.

Matthew 28:1 says:

In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

According to this account the two Mary's approached the supulchre as the sabbath ended and the new day was about to begin. That would be what we call Saturday at around 6:00 PM. Jesus was already gone. Now, yes.... I do know what the other three gospels say. 2 Say they came when it was morning and still dark, the other says they came at sunrise. But all the accounts have one thing in common: Jesus had already risen by the time they got there. Matthew puts it earlier than the others, but the only way all could be correct is if Jesus was gone by the time the Sabbath ended.

Matthew 12:40 says:


For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

If Jesus rose on the Sabbath, then simply count backwards. 3 days and 3 nights puts the crucifixion on Wednesday. At this point people like to say, "well... It can be part of a day and part of a night and it counts as a whole day... It doesn't have to be 72 hours!" Really? Prove that! Furthermore, Friday afternoon to Sunday Morning is not 3 partial days or 3 partial nights.

It doesn't end there. There is too much going on that you have to cram into that short 39 hour time (between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning). You have to fit in two sabbaths that aren't on consecutive days, soldiers guarding the sepulchre on a non sabbath day, preparation of spices before that sabbath, purchasing spices after the sabbath...

The only way it all works without ignoring scripture or claiming 3 days and 3 nights can really mean less than that is if it was Wednesday to Saturday afternoon; and it works out perfectly.



For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

[Stranger]

I'll give you the extremely short version.

Matthew 28:1 says:

In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

According to this account the two Mary's approached the supulchre as the sabbath ended and the new day was about to begin. That would be what we call Saturday at around 6:00 PM. Jesus was already gone. Now, yes.... I do know what the other three gospels say. 2 Say they came when it was morning and still dark, the other says they came at sunrise. But all the accounts have one thing in common: Jesus had already risen by the time they got there. Matthew puts it earlier than the others, but the only way all could be correct is if Jesus was gone by the time the Sabbath ended.

Matthew 12:40 says:


For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

If Jesus rose on the Sabbath, then simply count backwards. 3 days and 3 nights puts the crucifixion on Wednesday. At this point people like to say, "well... It can be part of a day and part of a night and it counts as a whole day... It doesn't have to be 72 hours!" Really? Prove that! Furthermore, Friday afternoon to Sunday Morning is not 3 partial days or 3 partial nights.

It doesn't end there. There is too much going on that you have to cram into that short 39 hour time (between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning). You have to fit in two sabbaths that aren't on consecutive days, soldiers guarding the sepulchre on a non sabbath day, preparation of spices before that sabbath, purchasing spices after the sabbath...

The only way it all works without ignoring scripture or claiming 3 days and 3 nights can really mean less than that is if it was Wednesday to Saturday afternoon; and it works out perfectly.


For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

You say 'if Jesus rose on the Sabbath'. Does this mean you arnt really sure? Or are you saying He definitely rose on the Sabbath?

Without a doubt, Jesus must be three days and nights in the grave as Matthew says.

Before I get too involved in this, tell me, what is the rub here? Is there Scripture that contradicts what you are saying about Christ rising on the Sabbath? Is there Scripture that indicates Christ rose on the first day of the week?

Stranger

 

[FHII]

You say 'if Jesus rose on the Sabbath'. Does this mean you arnt really sure? Or are you saying He definitely rose on the Sabbath?

Without a doubt, Jesus must be three days and nights in the grave as Matthew says.

Before I get too involved in this, tell me, what is the rub here? Is there Scripture that contradicts what you are saying about Christ rising on the Sabbath? Is there Scripture that indicates Christ rose on the first day of the week?

Stranger

The gospels only tell when people foynd his sepulchre empty, not when he actually got up and left. Some may say that Mark 16:9 says that he rose early the first day of the wrrk, but it doesn't. That's when he met the women.