The Easter Bunny

[Stranger]

The gospels only tell when people foynd his sepulchre empty, not when he actually got up and left. Some may say that Mark 16:9 says that he rose early the first day of the wrrk, but it doesn't. That's when he met the women.

Mark 16:9 does say that. So,what are you saying Mark 16:9 says?

Stranger

 

[FHII]

Mark 16:9 does say that. So,what are you saying Mark 16:9 says?

Stranger

I'm saying that's when he met the women.

 

[Stranger]

I'm saying that's when he met the women.

So 'risen' doesn't mean 'resurrection'?

Stranger

 

[FHII]

So 'risen' doesn't mean 'resurrection'?

Stranger

You going somewhere with this? Cause I'm quickly losing interest.

No, risen doesn't mean resurrection. Oneis a past participle of rise, the other is a noun. Related words, but not the same.

Please go somewhere with this.

 

[junobet]

Do you believe there might be Christians on this page thay told their little Children about the Easter Bunny and set out easter baskets for their children to find?

How bout Santa? Do you think some Christians on this board told that lie to their children?

Jesus died on Wednesday and rose from the dead on Saturday before sundown.

I’m intrigued FHII! Blame it on my European ignorance, but – Jehovah’s witnesses aside – you are the first Christian I come across who doesn’t celebrate Easter. Is that just a personal thing or is your entire church not into Easter?
It just so happens that Easter Night, with its ancient liturgy and candles, is my favourite service in all the church-year. Whilst I know that its proper dating has been a big issue in church history, personally I don’t really care how it’s dated and it seems nor do the Gospels. IMHO it’s what is remembered that is important, not when we remember it. And I don’t mind that easter eggs are served at the breakfast that my church invites to after its Easter Night service. Whatever their origin, from very early on in Christianity easter-eggs simply became a symbol for the resurrection + they are fun for kids and tasty. The commercialized Coca-Cola-version aside, I don’t have a problem with Santa either. For most children in my part of the world (I hope) St. Nikolaus still plays in one league with St. Martin: he’s just a role-model for Christian kindness. So I think you and your kids miss out, but of course I fully respect that you must follow your personal convictions in this.
But what about Christmas as such:
Its date is entirely unbiblical. We have no way of knowing at which exact date Jesus was born. Does that mean you don’t celebrate Christmas at all, not even without a Christmas-tree? No such thing as a church-year with church-festivities for you whatsoever?

 

[Stranger]

You going somewhere with this? Cause I'm quickly losing interest.

No, risen doesn't mean resurrection. Oneis a past participle of rise, the other is a noun. Related words, but not the same.

Please go somewhere with this.

I was just trying to understand where you were coming from.

'Risen' still speaks to the resurrection. The whole context of Mark 16 deals with the Resurrection of Christ. What else would 'risen' mean? This would mean that Mark 16:9 is pretty clear that Jesus rose early the first day of the week. Which would be Sunday.

Concerning the rabbits and eggs or the Christmas tree, I agree with junobet. We never hunted eggs to worship a pagan god. We never got a Christmas tree to worship a pagan god. We always knew Easter was about the resurrection of Christ. Christmas was always about the birth of Christ. I would say the effort of the world to exclude Christ from these holidays is what is wrong.

Stranger

 

[Mungo]

For those interested:

https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/resurrection/three-days-and-nights

 

[FHII]

I was just trying to understand where you were coming from.

'Risen' still speaks to the resurrection. The whole context of Mark 16 deals with the Resurrection of Christ. What else would 'risen' mean? This would mean that Mark 16:9 is pretty clear that Jesus rose early the first day of the week. Which would be Sunday.

Not when Matthew 28:1 says he had already risen when they found the tomb empty at the end of the Sabbath, which was Saturday. Either Mark was speaking of when he met the women or Mark and Matthew are not agreeing. In either sense, I note one thing about all the Gospels. When they went to the sepulchre, he had already resurrected.

Concerning the rabbits and eggs or the Christmas tree, I agree with junobet. We never hunted eggs to worship a pagan god. We never got a Christmas tree to worship a pagan god. We always knew Easter was about the resurrection of Christ. Christmas was always about the birth of Christ. I would say the effort of the world to exclude Christ from these holidays is what is wrong.

Ok, fine for you. As for me, I cannot in good conscience do so when I know that it is a lie and such customs are a mixture of paganism and Christianity. I choose to worship in spirit and in truth. You can say, "I don't do it for that reason..." Well, it's still pagan in origin and I choose not to do it at all.

 

[Stranger]

Not when Matthew 28:1 says he had already risen when they found the tomb empty at the end of the Sabbath, which was Saturday. Either Mark was speaking of when he met the women or Mark and Matthew are not agreeing. In either sense, I note one thing about all the Gospels. When they went to the sepulchre, he had already resurrected.


Ok, fine for you. As for me, I cannot in good conscience do so when I know that it is a lie and such customs are a mixture of paganism and Christianity. I choose to worship in spirit and in truth. You can say, "I don't do it for that reason..." Well, it's still pagan in origin and I choose not to do it at all.

It doesn't matter if Mark is speaking about when he met the women. The statement is made " Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week..." (Mark 16:9) What else would risen mean?

This too would agree with (Matt. 28:1). "In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week..." It is early in the first day. And it wouldn't be till then that the stone was rolled away and the resurrection took place. (Matt. 28:2) "And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it." That would be the first day of the week.

Indeed, you should do as the Spirit of God leads you and not wound your conscience. But, don't assume that others who are Christian, and let their kids hunt Easter eggs, or have a Christmas tree, are worshiping pagan gods.

Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

nice. However, God and the Hebrews count the beginning of the day from sundown, meaning that the Sabbath had ended 12 hours earlier, so it seems like some either deliberate deception--which the Book does do--or some scribing going on, not sure which. Mungo's link kind of explained the weird way Hebrews count, not starting from zero. So, from 5 pm on day 1 to say 7 pm two days later is actually 3 days, to a Hebrew, counting.

 

[Mungo]

Ok, fine for you. As for me, I cannot in good conscience do so when I know that it is a lie and such customs are a mixture of paganism and Christianity. I choose to worship in spirit and in truth. You can say, "I don't do it for that reason..." Well, it's still pagan in origin and I choose not to do it at all.

This idea that doing something similar to pagans makes us pagan is illogical.

If pagans do something similar to Christians - does that make them Christians?

Pagans bury their dead. If Christians bury their dead does that make them pagans?

Pagans cremate their dead. If Christians cremate their dead does that make them pagans?

Pagan kneel when they pray. If Christians kneel when they pray does that make them pagans?

Pagans put up poles. If Christians put up poles does that make them pagans?

Pagans used bricks for buildings. If Christians use bricks for building does that make them pagans?

Etc. Etc.

 

[heretoeternity]

Christians follow the word of God and His commandments, and the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels...does the pagan based Roman religious organization do that? I will help you with it..NO they don't...Revelation 13, 17, 18 and 2nd Thess 2.3&4

 

[FHII]

nice. However, God and the Hebrews count the beginning of the day from sundown, meaning that the Sabbath had ended 12 hours earlier, so it seems like some either deliberate deception--which the Book does do--or some scribing going on, not sure which. Mungo's link kind of explained the weird way Hebrews count, not starting from zero. So, from 5 pm on day 1 to say 7 pm two days later is actually 3 days, to a Hebrew, counting.

Mungos link did no such thing.

 

[bbyrd009]

ya ok whatever try being in need and going to some Pentecostals or Baptists lol, see what they do for you. Catholics are...just like everyone else imo, all different--but i note they help anyone in need. Go look up "Pentecostal Charities" lol, or even highlight search the phrase, right from here. It's comedy, wadr. No offense meant to the many, many Pents and Baptists who have no doubt managed to cut their pointy-finger off.

 

[epostle1]

”Three days and three nights” is simply Hebrew idiom. The phrase “one day and one night” meant a day, even when only a part of a day was indicated. We see this, e.g., in 1 Sam 30:12-13 (cf. Gen 42:17-18).

It would be like saying, “This is the third day I’ve been working on painting this room.” I could have started painting late Friday and made this remark on early Sunday. If I complete the task on Sunday, then the chronology would be just as Jesus’ Resurrection was. The only difference is the Hebrew idiom “three days and three nights” which was not intended in the hyper-literal sense as we might mistakenly interpret it today.

Thus the “problem” or so-called “biblical contradiction” vanishes.
read more here

Whatever it meant for ancient pagans, for Christians Easter is the celebration of Christ’s Resurrection. The fact that when it was first celebrated the feast of the Resurrection coincided with pagan celebrations doesn’t mean it was derived from them. The Jewish Passover (on which Christ was crucified) also coincided with such celebrations, yet this didn’t mean it was pagan.

As for Easter eggs, there’s nothing wrong with painting or hunting them on Easter--provided the real meaning of the day isn’t lost. As with the days of the week (the names of which are of pagan origin), any peculiarly pagan significance attached to Easter eggs was forgotten centuries ago.
During the medieval period, rabbits began appearing in illuminated manuscripts and paintings where the Virgin Mary was depicted, serving as an allegorical illustration of her virginity.

The Easter Bunny was first popularized as a symbol of the season by the German Protestants. It is likely they were the ones to invent the myth of the Easter Bunny for their children. Even in earliest folklore, the Easter Bunny came as a judge, hiding decorated eggs for well-behaved children.
The Easter Bunny followed German immigrants to the American colonies in the 18th century and the folklore spread across the United States.
The notion that the Easter Bunny is a pagan symbol developed in the 19th century. In 1835, Jacob Grimm, the popular collector of fairy tales, suggested that the Easter Bunny came from primitive German pagan traditions. Once Grimm started the rumor, it began to spread, refined to suggest the Easter Bunny comes from the Saxon Goddess Eostre.

However, there is no direct evidence of a pagan correlation. The first intimation of a connection arose from Jacob Grimm, and although he was a folklorist, he had no hard evidence other than his own speculation.
Conversely, there is considerable documentation that the rabbit was once associated with virginity, the Virgin Mary, and with the season itself, in a Christian context.

As a result, we must conclude, the Easter Bunny is a distinctly Christian symbol, and does not have pagan origins as occasionally claimed by those who despise the popular children's myth.
http://www.catholic.org/clife/lent/story.php?id=67999

 

[Stranger]

Christians follow the word of God and His commandments, and the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels...does the pagan based Roman religious organization do that? I will help you with it..NO they don't...Revelation 13, 17, 18 and 2nd Thess 2.3&4

There are things wrong within the Roman Church. There are things wrong within the Protestant Church. The Roman Churches original base is the Church at Rome. The one who Paul wrote to in his epistle to the Romans.

Whose faith was known through out the whole world. The Roman faith is not pagan based.

Stranger

 

[FHII]

This idea that doing something similar to pagans makes us pagan is illogical.

If pagans do something similar to Christians - does that make them Christians?

Pagans bury their dead. If Christians bury their dead does that make them pagans?

Pagans cremate their dead. If Christians cremate their dead does that make them pagans?

Pagan kneel when they pray. If Christians kneel when they pray does that make them pagans?

Pagans put up poles. If Christians put up poles does that make them pagans?

Pagans used bricks for buildings. If Christians use bricks for building does that make them pagans?

Etc. Etc.

This is why i entered the conversation.... More specifically over the wedding ring arguement. Problem is i see nothing about althe use of a wedding ring in false worship.

The difference is that christmas trees, easter eggs and such are pagan religious symbols incorporated into christianity.

 

[bbyrd009]

the difference in Catholics and Catholicism is one involves hearts, and the other does not.

 

[Mungo]

This is why i entered the conversation.... More specifically over the wedding ring arguement. Problem is i see nothing about althe use of a wedding ring in false worship.

The difference is that christmas trees, easter eggs and such are pagan religious symbols incorporated into christianity.

[SIZE=12pt]Symbols symbolise what you intend them to symbolise not what someone else intends them to symbolise[/SIZE]

 

[Mungo]

Christians follow the word of God and His commandments, and the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels...does the pagan based Roman religious organization do that? I will help you with it..NO they don't...Revelation 13, 17, 18 and 2nd Thess 2.3&4

Exodus 20:16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour."

All we ever get from you is your false claims - never backed up by evidence of even the weakest kind.

Remember always, Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, not through Judaising and worshiping Saturn.