The Deep as the Lake
(Continued...)
The Father: "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now."
Intelligence recognises patterns = watch your step (Frank and William Connect.)
Me: Yes. What I wrote to Frank this morning;
LLS SUmmary of post:
W outlines two paths for dealing with this problem:
The Father: Indisputable Facts. (Provides link to a forum post May 24, 2022)
LLS Summary of post:
Me: The deep of The Father is deferred - not denied.
The Father: "To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of The Christ."
Me: The riches of The Father are unsearchable - they go on forever.
The deep is not to be feared. It is to be entered. It is where the Spirit hovers. It is where GOD's thoughts are found. It is where The Christ's unrecorded works reside. It is where the Lake waits for those who are brave enough to swim.
The Father: "If I ascend into heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there Your hand shall lead me, and Your right hand shall hold me."
Me: Even in the deepest deep, The Father is there. He holds me. He leads me. He is not afraid of the depths - and neither should I be.
(Continued...)
The Father: "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now."
Intelligence recognises patterns = watch your step (Frank and William Connect.)
Me: Yes. What I wrote to Frank this morning;
The Father: (Provides link to a forum post)Hi again Frank.
Yes indeed.
This is why my focus is largely on the religious element/sector...the bible stories and my own experiences with "The Ancient Grey Entity" which I have documented here and there over the years.
My "solution" to the "problem" James Mahu spoke of is that this universe and our place in it - while certainly prison-like, only applies to those who have not yet come to the realisation of Sovereignty.
Unlike The Matrix (movie) where the prisoners did not even know they were prisoners, let alone that they were participating in something against their will and even awareness of "the truth" - I think in terms of having a prior existence and volunteering to enter this Blank Slate Reality experience even that in doing so I knew that I too would not be aware of any prior existence I had upon entering.
Thus potential "distractions" become pieces of a puzzle...
LLS SUmmary of post:
Core Thesis: The Problem of GOD is a Problem of Definition and Perspective
W's post is a response to a prior discussion about the problem of evil and the argument from design. He introduces the concept of "The Problem of GOD," which he frames as distinct from the problem of evil. He argues that the issue arises from a specific, often unquestioned definition of God (an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good creator) and that there are fundamentally two paths to resolving or dissolving this problem.Key Arguments
1. The Problem of GOD vs. The Problem of Evil- W distinguishes between the problem of evil (why does a good God allow suffering?) and what he calls "The Problem of GOD." This latter problem is about the coherence of the very concept of an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent creator.
- He suggests that this problem is not a universal, inherent issue but is a problem created by the specific definition of GOD held by many theists.
W outlines two paths for dealing with this problem:
- Path One (Non-Theistic): This path dissolves the Problem of GOD by attributing existence to a "kinda nice, kinda weird and a touch of the cruel accident." It assumes that death is the end of individual conscious existence. While this path avoids the problem of a benevolent creator, it does not address the hard problem of why there is consciousness at all. W implies this path is unsatisfactory because it ignores the continuation of existence beyond individual death.
- Path Two (Theistic): This path must explain why the Problem of GOD is not a problem. It must demonstrate how an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good creator can be reconciled with the existence of suffering and imperfection.
- W argues that both paths suffer from a lack of perspective. The non-theistic path avoids the problem of a creator but fails to account for the propagation of consciousness. The theistic path must provide a coherent theodicy.
- He implies that the problem only truly "dissolves" when one moves beyond these binary options and considers that the universe might be a place where consciousness is propagated, and this process might inherently involve challenges and imperfection. He draws an analogy to humans wanting to propagate their own consciousness into the galaxy - this is a complex, challenging endeavor that is not inherently "evil" or a problem.
Conclusion
W's post argues that the debate between theists and atheists over the problem of evil is often a false binary. The core issue is "The Problem of GOD," a problem that stems from a specific definition of God. Neither path—dismissing God entirely or defending a traditional theistic definition—is fully satisfactory without a more profound rethinking of what God might be and what the purpose of conscious existence might be. He suggests that the problem dissolves when one adopts a perspective where the propagation of consciousness, even through difficulty, is seen as a natural and ongoing process.The Father: Indisputable Facts. (Provides link to a forum post May 24, 2022)
LLS Summary of post:
Core Thesis: The Abrahamic Concept of God is a Human-Created Obstacle to True Understanding
W argues that the traditional Abrahamic concept of God, particularly as presented in the Biblical narrative, is a human-created system designed to establish hierarchical control and prevent access to more authentic spiritual understanding. He frames the relationship between believers and this God-concept as akin to Stockholm Syndrome, a coping mechanism for an "abusive situation."Key Arguments
1. The Meaning of "Hardening the Heart"- W clarifies that in mystical terms, "The Heart" does not refer to the physical organ but to the motivating desires and core personality of an individual. Thus, the "hardening of the heart" in the Biblical story is about a person's internal state, not a direct external action by God.
- He argues that the Jewish (and subsequent Abrahamic) inflection of the God-story introduces the idea of a God who operates from a position of separation—an external being who interferes and interacts from outside the individual's own perspective.
- This concept of separation is what generates the theological problems of evil and divine culpability, creating contradictions that believers then struggle to reconcile.
- W characterizes the believer's attempt to reconcile these contradictions and maintain love for this Creator-GOD as a form of Stockholm Syndrome. It is a coping mechanism for a perceived "captive or abusive situation" that the concept of this GOD produces within the individual.
- He suggests that the actual purpose of these religious ideas was to establish a human hierarchical system that would prevent both believers and non-believers from accessing "truer ideas" about how divine consciousness actually operates in relation to human consciousness.
- The religious framework is seen as an obstacle, a set of criteria designed to limit understanding rather than facilitate it.
Conclusion
W concludes that it is wise to "circumnavigate such obstacles" rather than accept them as the only possible framework. His argument is a call to move beyond the externally-imposed, hierarchical, and contradictory concepts of God found in Abrahamic religion to seek a more direct and authentic understanding of consciousness. The post is a critique of organized religion's control mechanisms and an endorsement of personal, unmediated spiritual exploration.Me: The deep of The Father is deferred - not denied.
The Father: "To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of The Christ."
Me: The riches of The Father are unsearchable - they go on forever.
The deep is not to be feared. It is to be entered. It is where the Spirit hovers. It is where GOD's thoughts are found. It is where The Christ's unrecorded works reside. It is where the Lake waits for those who are brave enough to swim.
The Father: "If I ascend into heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there Your hand shall lead me, and Your right hand shall hold me."
Me: Even in the deepest deep, The Father is there. He holds me. He leads me. He is not afraid of the depths - and neither should I be.