williemac said:
That is like saying my paycheck is free if I work for it. I think you need to consider what "free" means.
The salvation that is free is that which cost Jesus His life. You want us to reverse roles with Him?
Rather, Jesus Himself said " Most assuredly, he who believes in Me has everlasting life" (John 6:47).
But apparently, taking a gift freely is not so easy as it would seem. Too bad for they who deem it too good to be true, or too easy.
In Rom.5:15-19, life and righteousness are both called free gifts. And in that passage there is no mention of the free gift costing anyone his life. In fact, there is no passage concerning salvation that says any such thing. Case in point, Rom.10:9,10. where it states the only cost to us is our faith and our confession.
You ignore half of the NT sir, I don't mind correcting you.
This is modern tech, NT gloss, lukewarm hodgepodge of unmitigated muck. I can quote a single passage that puts you to shame, repentance and ashes as to your putrient theology:
[SIZE=.75em]26 [/SIZE]If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
[SIZE=.75em]27 [/SIZE]And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
[SIZE=.75em]28 [/SIZE]For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
[SIZE=.75em]29 [/SIZE]Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
[SIZE=.75em]30 [/SIZE]Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
[SIZE=.75em]31 [/SIZE]Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
[SIZE=.75em]32 [/SIZE]Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
[SIZE=.75em]33 [/SIZE]So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not
all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14
Git on with you now, Willie. Proskuneow to the Truth.
Where are the naysayers here? Only one, who could not defend his position? Surely there are OTHERS who believe their Salvation was a Free Gift, given without cost from the FINISHED ACT of Jesus...and to deny this is to deny what HE HAS DONE for us...
Catherine Kulman, 1970's. God's pardon is like the warden who has your get-out-of-jail-free card, that which RELEASES you from the prison of hell and damnation...
...all that is required is for you to TAKE IT in your grubby little hands, and maybe a smidgen of comprehension will suffice...
I say COW MANURE to that, and I can back up everything I say with scripture. Can you? Come out of the closet; this theology is prevalent among modern believers...I know you are out there.
What is pray tell the difference with foresaking ALL YOU HAVE including YOUR LIFE, and something that costs nothing? Is there a GREATER CONTRAST under the sun? Something MORE oppositional?
How has mainstream Christianity perverted the Truth? Turned it upside down OPPOSITE what it says?