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THE FULFILLMENT OF DANIEL 7, Part 1 of 4

While I was reading Dan.7 Jesus revealed to me that the four beasts in Dan. 7 are those warring people known by the man who led them.

Dan.7:17 states the four beasts Daniel saw are those known by the man who led them on their crusades.
Dan.7:17 ‘These great beasts, which are four in number, are four kings who will arise from the earth.

The fourth beast, which is the Antichrist led beast, helps us imagine the kind of kings who could qualify as the fulfillment of the remaining three kings that precede the Antichrist led beast.

Jesus did not tell me the names of these kings or that I could figure it out. I simply took a look into world history and found that Alexander the Great, Gengus Khan, Napoleon, and the Antichrist fit the criteria of being known by the men who led these beasts.

Below is what I found when I looked into how Alexander the Great most likely fulfilled the Lion with the wings that were plucked, and given a mind.

HOW ALEXANDER THE GREAT COULD HAVE FULFILLED THE LION DESCRIBED IN DAN. 7:4

The historical notes below taken from “The Annals of the World” demonstrate that Alexander the Great fulfilled the Lion described in Dan. 7:4 when they point out how he dealt with those that did not surrender to him when he entered into their countries and approached their cities. Dan 7:4 “The first was like a lion and had the wings of an eagle. I kept looking until its wings were plucked, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man; a human mind also was given to it.

The Annals of The World

By Rev. James Ussher LONDON,
Printed by E. Tyler, for F. Crook, and G. Bedell, 1658

Thebes


1711. Alexander laid Thebes in Boeotia level with the ground, (Diod. year 2. Olymp. 111.) in October which was the time when the "Mysteries" were kept in Athens. They did not observe that holy solemnity that year because of what happened. (Plut. in Alexan. and Arrian. l. 1.) 90,000 men in Thebes were killed and 30,000 were sold for slaves. All went to ruin except only the houses of the priests, his father Philip's friends and Pindarus the poet. (Elian. Varia. Histor. l. 13. c. 7.)

Tyre

1787. All of Syria and Phoenicia except Tyre were under Alexander's control. Alexander and his camp were on the continent. Between him and Tyre was a narrow channel of the sea. The Tyrians had sent a very massive crown of gold to him for a present and congratulated him for his great success. They sent him many provisions from their city. He received their presents as he would from good friends. He used many gracious and friendly words to them expressing his great desire to see their city and to sacrifice to Hercules. They told him that there was an alter in Palaetyrus or Old Tyre in the continent near by and that it would be better to offer sacrifice to Hercules on that one since it was the older of the two altars. When he heard this he was so enraged that he vowed to destroy their city. It happened that at the same time there came certain select men from Carthage to perform a yearly sacrifice to Hercules. The Tyrians were the founders of Carthage and the Carthaginians had honoured them as the father of their city. These men exhorted them to hold out and to endure the siege like men. They assured them of speedy supplies and aid from Carthage for at that time the Carthaginians, were a very strong naval power. (Curt. l. 4. c. 5, 6. Justin. l. 11. c. 10.)

1788. Thus Tyre was resolved for a war and they endured a 7 month siege. (Diod. Sic. year 1. Olymp. 112. Josephus Antiq. l. 11. c. 8. Curt. l. 4. c. 15. Plutarch in Alexander.) Their king Azelmious was absent at sea. He left Autophradates, his son behind him in the city. (Arrian. l. 4.) Alexander levelled Palaetyrus or old Tyre to the ground. He sent for all the men in the surrounding country to come and help his men throw the stones and rubbish of the entire city into the channel that ran between the two cities. He made a causeway of half a mile long over to Tyre from the old city according to Diodorus. Curtius, (l. 4. c. 5.) agrees with him. Pliny (l. 5. c. 19) said it was 700 paces long. (Diod. Sic. year

1. Olymp. 112., Curt. l. 4. c. 8.)

1804. Arrian states that there were 8000 of the inhabitants killed. Curtius says that after the battle 2000 more were hung up all along the shore. Diodorus states that Alexander hanged 2000 young men all in their prime. Justin says that in remembrance of the old slaughter the inhabitants had made, he had all that were captured, crucified. He put them to a death befitting a slave because the Tyrian slaves had made a conspiracy against their own masters and had murdered all the freemen of that city with their own masters. They set up their own government and killed everyone except Strato an old man and his son. On him and his posterity, they established the kingdom.

1806. (This means perhaps Ballonymus, whom Diodorus confounds with Abdolominus, whom Alexander made king of the Sidonians a short time earlier.)
``Alexander left the city to be repopulated by its innocent and harmless inhabitants. When he had abolished that wicked generation of slaves, he hoped to be considered the founder of a new and better people there.

Gaza

1818. According to Josephus, the name of the captain of the garrison at Gaza was Babemeses, or according to Curtius and Arrian, Batis an Eunuch. He was very loyal to his king:. He hired some Arabian mercenaries and made good provision of food and other things. He defended the walls, which were very strong with a small company of men.

1819. Alexander received two wounds at this siege. When Batis was taken alive, Alexander had cords or thongs drawn through his ankles and tied him to a chariot. He was dragged around the city. In that siege 10,000 Persians and Arabians died. The Macedonians also lost men. (Curt. l. 4. c. 10.) Alexander sold all the women and children there for slaves. He repopulated the place with inhabitants from the neighbouring parts and made that the location of his garrison. (Arrian. l. 2. in fin.) Those words of Strabo are not easily understood unless they refer to the former state of that city. He states: {*Strabo, l. 16. 7:277} ``Gaza which was formerly a glorious city, was destroyed by Alexander and remained desolate.

Cyropolis

1996. When Alexander heard of this, he attacked the city of Gaza and sent Craterus against Cyropolis. When he had taken Gaza, he slew all that were of age in it. The women and children were sold into slavery and the city was destroyed. This was to be an example to others. He took 4 other cities in those parts within 2 days and treated them in the same manner. After this he marched away to Cyropolis. 18,000 men had fled there because the place was well fortified and a good refuge. In that siege he both lost the bravest and best men of his army and he was in extreme danger. He took such a blow in the neck with a stone that his eyes were dazzled and he fell and lost his senses for the present. However he was of an invincible courage against such casualties that would daunt other men. Although his wound was not yet thoroughly healed, he assaulted it more fiercely than before. His anger spurred on his natural fighting abilities. When the city was first taken, 8000 of the enemy were killed. The rest fled into the citadel. When Alexander had besieged it for only one day, they surrendered for lack of water.
1997. Alexander ordered Cyropolis to be levelled to the ground. Of 7 cities which the natives had fortified for themselves, there remained now only one to be taken. He took it on the very first assault. However, Ptolemy says, it Annals of the World/Age6d 46 surrendered to him. Aristobulus says, that the men taken in it were distributed in the army and kept bound until Alexander left that country. This would leave none behind who had a hand in that revolt.

Oxi
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2014. Arimazes of Sogdiana with a 30,000 man army climbed to the top of a high rock called Oxi by Strabo. They made provision for a 3 year seige. This rock was about 3.75 miles high and 19 miles in circumference. Alexander made generous promises to 300 gallant young lads who volunteered to climb the rock. Using cramp-irons where needed, they were able to slowly climb the rock. 32 died in the attempt. They either slipped or the rock broke from under them. The Sogdians were astonished as if by a miracle, to see that men had gotten up there. They thought there were more coming who were better armed then they were, so they surrendered. Arimazes their leader was quite afraid. He and the chief men of the country, came down to the king in his camp. Alexander had them well whipped and later crucified at the base of the hill. He distributed the rest for slaves among the new cities which he had built with the money he had taken from them. Arabazus was left to keep the Sogdians and the neighbouring countries under subjection. (Curt. l. 7. c. ult. & Polyanus Stratag. l. 5. in Alexander n. 29.)
 
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Babylon is the Lion,Medo persia the bear, Greece the leopard, Rome the fierce beast. . Alexander is the prominent horn of the he-goat that kills the ram. From it come 4 kings--4 kingdoms after Alexander dies.

Antigonus, Ptolemy, Seleucus, and Cassander

Daniel 8 :21-22
21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.


22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
 
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THE FULFILLMENT OF DANIEL 7, Part 1 of 4

While I was reading Dan.7 Jesus revealed to me that the four beasts in Dan. 7 are those warring people known by the man who led them.

Dan.7:17 states the four beasts Daniel saw are those known by the man who led them on their crusades.
Dan.7:17 ‘These great beasts, which are four in number, are four kings who will arise from the earth.

The fourth beast, which is the Antichrist led beast, helps us imagine the kind of kings who could qualify as the fulfillment of the remaining three kings that precede the Antichrist led beast.

Jesus did not tell me the names of these kings or that I could figure it out. I simply took a look into world history and found that Alexander the Great, Gengus Khan, Napoleon, and the Antichrist fit the criteria of being known by the men who led these beasts.

Below is what I found when I looked into how Alexander the Great most likely fulfilled the Lion with the wings that were plucked, and given a mind.

HOW ALEXANDER THE GREAT COULD HAVE FULFILLED THE LION DESCRIBED IN DAN. 7:4

The historical notes below taken from “The Annals of the World” demonstrate that Alexander the Great fulfilled the Lion described in Dan. 7:4 when they point out how he dealt with those that did not surrender to him when he entered into their countries and approached their cities. Dan 7:4 “The first was like a lion and had the wings of an eagle. I kept looking until its wings were plucked, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man; a human mind also was given to it.

The Annals of The World

By Rev. James Ussher LONDON,
Printed by E. Tyler, for F. Crook, and G. Bedell, 1658

Thebes


1711. Alexander laid Thebes in Boeotia level with the ground, (Diod. year 2. Olymp. 111.) in October which was the time when the "Mysteries" were kept in Athens. They did not observe that holy solemnity that year because of what happened. (Plut. in Alexan. and Arrian. l. 1.) 90,000 men in Thebes were killed and 30,000 were sold for slaves. All went to ruin except only the houses of the priests, his father Philip's friends and Pindarus the poet. (Elian. Varia. Histor. l. 13. c. 7.)

Tyre

1787. All of Syria and Phoenicia except Tyre were under Alexander's control. Alexander and his camp were on the continent. Between him and Tyre was a narrow channel of the sea. The Tyrians had sent a very massive crown of gold to him for a present and congratulated him for his great success. They sent him many provisions from their city. He received their presents as he would from good friends. He used many gracious and friendly words to them expressing his great desire to see their city and to sacrifice to Hercules. They told him that there was an alter in Palaetyrus or Old Tyre in the continent near by and that it would be better to offer sacrifice to Hercules on that one since it was the older of the two altars. When he heard this he was so enraged that he vowed to destroy their city. It happened that at the same time there came certain select men from Carthage to perform a yearly sacrifice to Hercules. The Tyrians were the founders of Carthage and the Carthaginians had honoured them as the father of their city. These men exhorted them to hold out and to endure the siege like men. They assured them of speedy supplies and aid from Carthage for at that time the Carthaginians, were a very strong naval power. (Curt. l. 4. c. 5, 6. Justin. l. 11. c. 10.)

1788. Thus Tyre was resolved for a war and they endured a 7 month siege. (Diod. Sic. year 1. Olymp. 112. Josephus Antiq. l. 11. c. 8. Curt. l. 4. c. 15. Plutarch in Alexander.) Their king Azelmious was absent at sea. He left Autophradates, his son behind him in the city. (Arrian. l. 4.) Alexander levelled Palaetyrus or old Tyre to the ground. He sent for all the men in the surrounding country to come and help his men throw the stones and rubbish of the entire city into the channel that ran between the two cities. He made a causeway of half a mile long over to Tyre from the old city according to Diodorus. Curtius, (l. 4. c. 5.) agrees with him. Pliny (l. 5. c. 19) said it was 700 paces long. (Diod. Sic. year

1. Olymp. 112., Curt. l. 4. c. 8.)

1804. Arrian states that there were 8000 of the inhabitants killed. Curtius says that after the battle 2000 more were hung up all along the shore. Diodorus states that Alexander hanged 2000 young men all in their prime. Justin says that in remembrance of the old slaughter the inhabitants had made, he had all that were captured, crucified. He put them to a death befitting a slave because the Tyrian slaves had made a conspiracy against their own masters and had murdered all the freemen of that city with their own masters. They set up their own government and killed everyone except Strato an old man and his son. On him and his posterity, they established the kingdom.

1806. (This means perhaps Ballonymus, whom Diodorus confounds with Abdolominus, whom Alexander made king of the Sidonians a short time earlier.)
``Alexander left the city to be repopulated by its innocent and harmless inhabitants. When he had abolished that wicked generation of slaves, he hoped to be considered the founder of a new and better people there.

Gaza

1818. According to Josephus, the name of the captain of the garrison at Gaza was Babemeses, or according to Curtius and Arrian, Batis an Eunuch. He was very loyal to his king:. He hired some Arabian mercenaries and made good provision of food and other things. He defended the walls, which were very strong with a small company of men.

1819. Alexander received two wounds at this siege. When Batis was taken alive, Alexander had cords or thongs drawn through his ankles and tied him to a chariot. He was dragged around the city. In that siege 10,000 Persians and Arabians died. The Macedonians also lost men. (Curt. l. 4. c. 10.) Alexander sold all the women and children there for slaves. He repopulated the place with inhabitants from the neighbouring parts and made that the location of his garrison. (Arrian. l. 2. in fin.) Those words of Strabo are not easily understood unless they refer to the former state of that city. He states: {*Strabo, l. 16. 7:277} ``Gaza which was formerly a glorious city, was destroyed by Alexander and remained desolate.

Cyropolis

1996. When Alexander heard of this, he attacked the city of Gaza and sent Craterus against Cyropolis. When he had taken Gaza, he slew all that were of age in it. The women and children were sold into slavery and the city was destroyed. This was to be an example to others. He took 4 other cities in those parts within 2 days and treated them in the same manner. After this he marched away to Cyropolis. 18,000 men had fled there because the place was well fortified and a good refuge. In that siege he both lost the bravest and best men of his army and he was in extreme danger. He took such a blow in the neck with a stone that his eyes were dazzled and he fell and lost his senses for the present. However he was of an invincible courage against such casualties that would daunt other men. Although his wound was not yet thoroughly healed, he assaulted it more fiercely than before. His anger spurred on his natural fighting abilities. When the city was first taken, 8000 of the enemy were killed. The rest fled into the citadel. When Alexander had besieged it for only one day, they surrendered for lack of water.
1997. Alexander ordered Cyropolis to be levelled to the ground. Of 7 cities which the natives had fortified for themselves, there remained now only one to be taken. He took it on the very first assault. However, Ptolemy says, it Annals of the World/Age6d 46 surrendered to him. Aristobulus says, that the men taken in it were distributed in the army and kept bound until Alexander left that country. This would leave none behind who had a hand in that revolt.

Oxi
3676a AM, 4385 JP, 329 BC

2014. Arimazes of Sogdiana with a 30,000 man army climbed to the top of a high rock called Oxi by Strabo. They made provision for a 3 year seige. This rock was about 3.75 miles high and 19 miles in circumference. Alexander made generous promises to 300 gallant young lads who volunteered to climb the rock. Using cramp-irons where needed, they were able to slowly climb the rock. 32 died in the attempt. They either slipped or the rock broke from under them. The Sogdians were astonished as if by a miracle, to see that men had gotten up there. They thought there were more coming who were better armed then they were, so they surrendered. Arimazes their leader was quite afraid. He and the chief men of the country, came down to the king in his camp. Alexander had them well whipped and later crucified at the base of the hill. He distributed the rest for slaves among the new cities which he had built with the money he had taken from them. Arabazus was left to keep the Sogdians and the neighbouring countries under subjection. (Curt. l. 7. c. ult. & Polyanus Stratag. l. 5. in Alexander n. 29.)

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The fourth beast in Dan. 7 can only be the Antichrist led fourth beast, because Dan. 7:11 refers to the Antichrist being thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is substantiated in Rev. 17:20, when it tells us the Antichrist will be thrown into the Lake of Fire alive just before the 1000 years begins. This is further substantiated by the fact that the Antichrist and the False Prophet are the only two people thrown into the Lake of Fire alive.
Dan. 7:11 “Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire. 12 “As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed period of time.
Rev 17:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.


The fact that Dan. 7:13 - 14 describes the 1000 year reign occurring immediately after Dan. 7:11 tells us about the Antichrist and False Prophet being thrown into the Lake of Fire further substantiates that the fourth beast in Dan. 7 can. Only be the Antichrist led fourth beast.
Dan. 7:13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 “And to Him was given dominion,Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.

I also made a change to the man lead beasts in my original article. The four man led beasts are most likely Alexander the Great, Gengus Kahn, Napoleon and the Antichrist led fourth beast.
 

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Babylon is the Lion,Medo persia the bear, Greece the leopard, Rome the fierce beast. . Alexander is the prominent horn of the he-goat that kills the ram. From it come 4 kings--4 kingdoms after Alexander dies.

Antigonus, Ptolemy, Seleucus, and Cassander

Daniel 8 :21-22
21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.


22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
The fourth beast in Dan. 7 can only be the Antichrist led fourth beast, because Dan. 7:11 refers to the Antichrist being thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is substantiated in Rev. 17:20, when it tells us the Antichrist will be thrown into the Lake of Fire alive just before the 1000 years begins. This is further substantiated by the fact that the Antichrist and the False Prophet are the only two people thrown into the Lake of Fire alive.
Dan. 7:11 “Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire. 12 “As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed period of time.
Rev 17:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.


The fact that Dan. 7:13 - 14 describes the 1000 year reign beginning immediately after Dan. 7:11 tells us about the Antichrist and False Prophet being thrown into the Lake of Fire further substantiates that the fourth beast in Dan. 7 can. Only be the Antichrist led fourth beast.
Dan. 7:13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 “And to Him was given dominion,Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.
 

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The fourth beast in Dan. 7 can only be the Antichrist led fourth beast, because Dan. 7:11 refers to the Antichrist being thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is substantiated in Rev. 17:20, when it tells us the Antichrist will be thrown into the Lake of Fire alive just before the 1000 years begins. This is further substantiated by the fact that the Antichrist and the False Prophet are the only two people thrown into the Lake of Fire alive.
Dan. 7:11 “Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire. 12 “As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed period of time.
Rev 17:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.


The fact that Dan. 7:13 - 14 describes the 1000 year reign beginning immediately after Dan. 7:11 tells us about the Antichrist and False Prophet being thrown into the Lake of Fire further substantiates that the fourth beast in Dan. 7 can. Only be the Antichrist led fourth beast.
Dan. 7:13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 “And to Him was given dominion,Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.
 
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The fourth beast in Dan. 7 can only be the Antichrist led fourth beast, because Dan. 7:11 refers to the Antichrist being thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is substantiated in Rev. 17:20, when it tells us the Antichrist will be thrown into the Lake of Fire alive just before the 1000 years begins. This is further substantiated by the fact that the Antichrist and the False Prophet are the only two people thrown into the Lake of Fire alive.
Dan. 7:11 “Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire. 12 “As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed period of time.
Rev 17:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.


The fact that Dan. 7:13 - 14 describes the 1000 year reign beginning immediately after Dan. 7:11 tells us about the Antichrist and False Prophet being thrown into the Lake of Fire further substantiates that the fourth beast in Dan. 7 can. Only be the Antichrist led fourth beast.
Dan. 7:13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 “And to Him was given dominion,Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.
Absolutely true
 

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The fourth beast in Dan. 7 can only be the Antichrist led fourth beast, because Dan. 7:11 refers to the Antichrist being thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is substantiated in Rev. 17:20, when it tells us the Antichrist will be thrown into the Lake of Fire alive just before the 1000 years begins. This is further substantiated by the fact that the Antichrist and the False Prophet are the only two people thrown into the Lake of Fire alive.
Dan. 7:11 “Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire. 12 “As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed period of time.
Rev 17:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.


The fact that Dan. 7:13 - 14 describes the 1000 year reign beginning immediately after Dan. 7:11 tells us about the Antichrist and False Prophet being thrown into the Lake of Fire further substantiates that the fourth beast in Dan. 7 can. Only be the Antichrist led fourth beast.
Dan. 7:13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 “And to Him was given dominion,Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.
The Prophet/Book of Daniel covers the First and Second Coming of the LORD Jesus Christ.

Can you find where Daniel speaks of the 'pre-trib rature'???
No?
Neither can i...................lol
 

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Babylon is the Lion,Medo persia the bear, Greece the leopard, Rome the fierce beast. . Alexander is the prominent horn of the he-goat that kills the ram. From it come 4 kings--4 kingdoms after Alexander dies.

Antigonus, Ptolemy, Seleucus, and Cassander

Daniel 8 :21-22
21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.


22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
You responded to my Dan 7 post with a comment about Dan 8. However, in response to your comment about Dan 8, Dan 8:19 tells us the vision pertains to the final period of indignation in the end of end times which disqualifies the kings you posted above as the fulfillment of Dan 8 because they existed in the BC era. .
Dan. 8:19 And he said, “Behold, I am going to let you know what will occur at the final period of the indignation, for it pertains to the appointed time of the end.
 

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The Prophet/Book of Daniel covers the First and Second Coming of the LORD Jesus Christ.

Can you find where Daniel speaks of the 'pre-trib rature'???
No?
Neither can i...................lol
I know both of us know that there is no pretrib. We received that insight from Jesus. Jesus is refining whoever He can whenever He can so that we know what is coming and through this be as prepared as we possibly can. I hope you soon realize that academia in Christianity has messed up all of the prophesies in such child-like ways. The fourth beast in Dan 2 and Dan 7 are in fact the Antichrist led fourth beast, which destroys everything academia has been telling us about the fulfillment of these chapters. The Antichrist and the False prophet are only two people who are thrown alive into the Lake of Fire, which is found in both chapters about the fourth beast. Correlate this with Rev 19:20, which tells us that the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. I recommend reading these chapters again to see if the Holy Spirit gives you insight into them. I though I would add that the Sea of Fire that gives up the dead found in Rev 20:13 is the Antichrist and the False Prophet being raised out of the Lake of Fire to be judged.
Dan 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever. 45 “Inasmuch as you saw that a stone was cut out of the mountain without hands and that it crushed the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold, the great God has made known to the king what will take place in the future; so the dream is true, and its interpretation is trustworthy.”
Dan 7:11 “Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire. 12 “As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed period of time.
Rev. 19:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat upon the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
 

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Absolutely true
It was while I was reading with understanding that the fourth beast in Dan 7 is the Antichrist led beast that Jesus revealed to me that the other three are the beasts known by the men that led them. He didn't give me the names of the kings/beasts but from what I know about World History Alexander the Great, Gengus Kahn and Napoleon fit the criteria. All three effected the world in ways similar to the way the Antichrist is depicted to effect the world.
The fourth beast in Dan 2 is also the Antichrist led beast.
When I listened to other believers talk about their views about Dan 2 I knew they were off the mark about the fourth beast and therefore didn't take their views about the fulfillment of the second and third beasts in Dan 2 as the truth. Daniel was told the first beast was Babylon.
 

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The answer to Daniel 7:4 is below

Daniel 4
28 All this happened to King Nebuchadnezzar. 29 Twelve months later, as the king was walking on the roof of the royal palace of Babylon, 30 he said, “Is not this the great Babylon I have built as the royal residence, by my mighty power and for the glory of my majesty?”

31 Even as the words were on his lips, a voice came from heaven, “This is what is decreed for you, King Nebuchadnezzar: Your royal authority has been taken from you. 32 You will be driven away from people and will live with the wild animals; you will eat grass like the ox. Seven times will pass by for you until you acknowledge that the Most High is sovereign over all kingdoms on earth and gives them to anyone he wishes.”

33 Immediately what had been said about Nebuchadnezzar was fulfilled. He was driven away from people and ate grass like the ox. His body was drenched with the dew of heaven until his hair grew like the feathers of an eagle and his nails like the claws of a bird.

34 At the end of that time, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven, and my sanity was restored. Then I praised the Most High; I honored and glorified him who lives forever.
His dominion is an eternal dominion;
his kingdom endures from generation to generation.

35 All the peoples of the earth
are regarded as nothing.
He does as he pleases
with the powers of heaven
and the peoples of the earth.
No one can hold back his hand
or say to him: “What have you done?”

36 At the same time that my sanity was restored, my honor and splendor were returned to me for the glory of my kingdom.My advisers and nobles sought me out, and I was restored to my throne and became even greater than before. 37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King of heaven, because everything he does is right and all his ways are just. And those who walk in pride he is able to humble.
 
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The answer to Daniel 7:4 is below

Daniel 4
28 All this happened to King Nebuchadnezzar. 29 Twelve months later, as the king was walking on the roof of the royal palace of Babylon, 30 he said, “Is not this the great Babylon I have built as the royal residence, by my mighty power and for the glory of my majesty?”

31 Even as the words were on his lips, a voice came from heaven, “This is what is decreed for you, King Nebuchadnezzar: Your royal authority has been taken from you. 32 You will be driven away from people and will live with the wild animals; you will eat grass like the ox. Seven times will pass by for you until you acknowledge that the Most High is sovereign over all kingdoms on earth and gives them to anyone he wishes.”

33 Immediately what had been said about Nebuchadnezzar was fulfilled. He was driven away from people and ate grass like the ox. His body was drenched with the dew of heaven until his hair grew like the feathers of an eagle and his nails like the claws of a bird.

34 At the end of that time, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven, and my sanity was restored. Then I praised the Most High; I honored and glorified him who lives forever.
His dominion is an eternal dominion;
his kingdom endures from generation to generation.

35 All the peoples of the earth
are regarded as nothing.
He does as he pleases
with the powers of heaven
and the peoples of the earth.
No one can hold back his hand
or say to him: “What have you done?”

36 At the same time that my sanity was restored, my honor and splendor were returned to me for the glory of my kingdom.My advisers and nobles sought me out, and I was restored to my throne and became even greater than before. 37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King of heaven, because everything he does is right and all his ways are just. And those who walk in pride he is able to humble.
I answered a post like this previously. Nebuchadnezzar reigned before Daniel saw the dream in Dan. 7, which rules him out as the fulfillment because Dan 7:17 tells us the four beasts emerge in the future after Nebuchadnezar ruled. Dan 7:17 ‘These great beasts, which are four in number, are four kings who will arise from the earth.
How could academia, which is made up of bright people have made such an obvious mistake. The reason is they didn't wait for Jesus to give them insight and became so entangled in explaining what they though was correct, they stopped reasoning through the scriptures and never checked to see if they contradicted the scriptures they left out of their teaching, like Dan. 7:17. Academia is capable of weaving elaborate stories outside of the Bible about the Bible. Stop listening to them. All of them are wrong about all of the prophesies.
 

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I answered a post like this previously. Nebuchadnezzar reigned before Daniel saw the dream in Dan. 7, which rules him out as the fulfillment because Dan 7:17 tells us the four beasts emerge in the future after Nebuchadnezar ruled. Dan 7:17 ‘These great beasts, which are four in number, are four kings who will arise from the earth.
How could academia, which is made up of bright people have made such an obvious mistake. The reason is they didn't wait for Jesus to give them insight and became so entangled in explaining what they though was correct, they stopped reasoning through the scriptures and never checked to see if they contradicted the scriptures they left out of their teaching, like Dan. 7:17. Academia is capable of weaving elaborate stories outside of the Bible about the Bible. Stop listening to them. All of them are wrong about all of the prophesies. Reason through the scriptures and wait for Jesus to give you insight into the symbols you don't understand, which only He can give you insight into.
 

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I answered a post like this previously. Nebuchadnezzar reigned before Daniel saw the dream in Dan. 7, which rules him out as the fulfillment because Dan 7:17 tells us the four beasts emerge in the future after Nebuchadnezar ruled. Dan 7:17 ‘These great beasts, which are four in number, are four kings who will arise from the earth.
How could academia, which is made up of bright people have made such an obvious mistake. The reason is they didn't wait for Jesus to give them insight and became so entangled in explaining what they though was correct, they stopped reasoning through the scriptures and never checked to see if they contradicted the scriptures they left out of their teaching, like Dan. 7:17. Academia is capable of weaving elaborate stories outside of the Bible about the Bible. Stop listening to them. All of them are wrong about all of the prophesies.

It doesn't "say in the future" you added that to the text it says "will rise from the earth" and the first beast did rise from the earth. Its like the first few verses in Revelation chapter 12. Both text are written this way because its telling the full complete story that applies to the message.

Jesus being born and delivered by satan trying to kill Him through Harrod and Jesus ascending back up to heaven applies to satan being banished from heaven. Its the same with the king Neb's deam in Daniel chapter 2.

King Neb was the head of gold but in verse 28 it says

28 but there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries. He has shown King Nebuchadnezzar what will happen in days to come. Your dream and the visions that passed through your mind as you were lying in bed are these:

Daniel tells king Neb that God was showing him what will happen in the days to come but the head of gold already happened and was still a part of the story of the message of the dream.

What happens to the first beast is exactly what happened to king Neb right down to being described as an eagle and a mind given to it. The lion was also the symbol of Babylon.
 
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It doesn't "say in the future" you added that to the text it says "will rise from the earth" and the first beast did rise from the earth. Its like the first few verses in Revelation chapter 12. Both text are written this way because its telling the full complete story that applies to the message.

Jesus being born and delivered by satan trying to kill Him through Harrod and Jesus ascending back up to heaven applies to satan being banished from heaven. Its the same with the king Neb's deam in Daniel chapter 2.

King Neb was the head of gold but in verse 28 it says

28 but there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries. He has shown King Nebuchadnezzar what will happen in days to come. Your dream and the visions that passed through your mind as you were lying in bed are these:

Daniel tells king Neb that God was showing him what will happen in the days to come but the head of gold already happened and was still a part of the story of the message of the dream.

What happens to the first beast is exactly what happened to king Neb right down to being described as an eagle and a mind given to it. The lion was also the symbol of Babylon.
You need to go back to elementary school and relearn the tenses.
 

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You need to go back to elementary school and relearn the
You need to go back to elementary school and relearn the tenses.

Really thats your reply?

I give you the very same scenario which biblically verifies my view and then you just ignore it and give a ridiculas comment like that?

You post all of this and then reply like that when someone challenges you? Thats not very respectable or even good debating.
 

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Really thats your reply?

I give you the very same scenario which biblically verifies my view and then you just ignore it and give a ridiculas comment like that?

You post all of this and then reply like that when someone challenges you? Thats not very respectable or even good debating.
Go relearn your tenses and read the scriptures correctly. Most likely the proper response is stop lying about what is plainly stated.
 

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Go relearn your tenses and read the scriptures correctly. Most likely the proper response is stop lying about what is plainly stated.

I'm not meaning any disrespect here but we are brothers and should debate with love and respect not accuse each other of lying when they are quoting scripture.

You have replied to me twice with comments but still haven't addressed my comment. If you are going to post these studies you need to address when people question them.
 

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I'm not meaning any disrespect here but we are brothers and should debate with love and respect not accuse each other of lying when they are quoting scripture.

You have replied to me twice with comments but still haven't addressed my comment. If you are going to post these studies you need to address when people question them.
Yes you are. Anybody that says "will emerge" isn't future, is lying to my face and that is disrespectful. You aren't sharing in love. You are pretending to lie in love.