The Fulfillment of the Seven Seals of Revelation

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The man of lawlessness has already appeared, which were the Roman popes, which today still exist, through which 1,260 years of persecution would come, which came in the form of inquisitions and massacres fulfilled by previous Roman popes. The line of Roman popes are the fulfillment of the "antichrist" prophecies, which means "false anointed" one, which have existed for a very long time, and came in the context of the fourth kingdom of Daniel, which are the Romans. As I said, you ignore around 2,000 years of events. We are now approaching the second coming of the Messiah, the end of the aeon. The prostitute of Babylon is already here, she is already seated on the beast whose 8th and final head is about to form as a United States of Europe, and the second beast of Revelation has already come, as the United States of America, and the mark of the beast is already here, as paper money and all forms of fiat currency, which break the command of the Torah, "you shall have righteous weights and quantities". You are blind to the truth and lack understanding. Read these two bible studies and inform yourself, The Identity of the Beast of Revelation, the Antichrist, the Prostitute of Babylon, the Mark of the Beast, and the Meaning of 666 | Wisdom of God and What Year the Second Coming Will Be, the Millennial Shabbath of the Year 6000 YB, Yovels, and the 1290+1335 Days of Daniel | Wisdom of God , but reject the truth that I am telling you now, and you will indeed be destroyed in the short time to come.

Israel (descendants of Israel/Jacob) has suffered years of persecution, for agreeing to Obey, and then NOT.
And the NOT obeying continues to this day for the Majority of Israel (NOT believing Jesus is their Christ Messiah), excepting a FEW, Messanic Jews.

The People Converted IN Christ Jesus, (most of them calling themselves "Christians" are SUBJECT TO experiencing persecution, BECAUSE WHEN they were Converted; THEY DRANK from the SAME CUP Jesus did; WHICH means; THEY AGREED to be persecuted BY others, WHO REJECT Jesus, just as Jesus was persecuted by those who REJECTED Jesus.

Those things have occured for Hundreds of years....years after years, generations after generations.

God has not Persecuted them.
God has ALLOWED other men to Persecute them.

God has set a sepecific TIME for His WRATH to be known to the World.

It is not going to be like what men have done to other men....In Germany, In Jerusalem, in here or there.

Gods WRATH WILL effect the WHOLE World...

There is INTENT in delineating persecution, trials, hardships, tribulations.....FROM THE "GREAT" Tribulation...

Matt 24:
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Your teaching things that shall occur in the GREAT TRIBULATION have come to pass, is in error.

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Rev 11:15, And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16, And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18, And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

It does not say here that there will be an earthly shofar/trumpet subsequent to this that will bring in the event mentioned above in bigger letters. These things will happen at the seventh trumpet.

At the seventh trumpet is when the Messiah begins to rule the earth, but not when the people of God will be gathered, for that will happen in the Day of Atonement, which is when the great shofar is blasted, on the tenth day of the seventh new moon after the second coming of the Messiah, which is the "last trumpet" Paul spoke of, but is not an actual trumpet, but another type of wind instrument, the shofar yovel, which is when the people of Israel return back to their properties, hence the gathering of the people of God,

In that day Yehovah will thresh from the flowing Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt, and you, Israel, will be gathered up one by one. And in that day a great shofar will be blown…
Isaiah 27:12-13

Then have the shofar sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh new moon; on the Day of Atonement sound the shofar throughout your land. Set apart the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a yovel for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan. The fiftieth year shall be a yovel for you; do not sow and do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the untended vines.
Leviticus 25:9-11

I have an exhaustive bible study regarding the order of events of the second coming in relation to the appointed times of the Torah here What the Great Tribulation of the Second Coming Will Be Like, and When the Seven Trumpets and Seven Bowls of Revelation Will Happen | Wisdom of God .
 

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Why do you say the "man", and then identify "men" ?

Why do you call a Religious Leader, the man of lawlessness?

And Who do you call the False Prophet?

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Because the seat of the antichrist is a succession of Roman authority occupied by one man, the Roman popes. Meaning at one time the antichrist was one Roman pope, and then when he was replaced, then another Roman pope came, and then he was the antichrist at that time, and so on. This is why the little horn of Daniel that grows in the context of the fourth kingdom of Daniel, which is the Romans, is alive for so long, from the breakup of the Roman kingdom into ten kings, all the way to the second coming of the Messiah, because the "little horn", which is the antichrist, is a succession of Roman authority, which began with Roman emperors, then continued on through Roman popes.
 

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That is a facinating claim for You to make for an other, when the other has made no such Claim.



Do Tell, Which Scripture FORBIDS Exchange of Work for "paper" money?

Do Tell, HOW YOU provide for YOU and YOUR family everything they Consume?

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The Torah commands, "you shall have righteous weights and quantities". Paper money is not a righteous quantity, because it is deliberately devalued, and represents nothing of value, it is mere paper, hence "fiat currency". That is why the minimum wage of one day in a country like Egypt in their EGP currency is enough to buy food for one day in a richer country like the US, because of the devaluation of paper money. They are completely impoverished, through this form of money, through paper money and fiat currency. It is evil, and whoever denies it is a complete idiot. This is why it is the mark of the beast, and those who willingly use it daily are just as culpable as those who issue it, because any currency also only exists by the mutual consent of those who buy or sell with it daily. But of course, many so called "believers" deny this truth and get angry when it is mentioned to them, because they do not want to be inconvenienced by having to leave this financial system. So they make themselves believe fantasies regarding some future "microchip" implant, and are quick to say, "I will never accept the microchip!", unaware that the symbols in Revelation speak of a hidden abomination that has come into existence in the last 100 years and has become widespread throughout the world and is the only way to buy or sell with, paper money and fiat currency. Foolish people you are, rejecting the truth, to your own destruction.
 

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Israel (descendants of Israel/Jacob) has suffered years of persecution, for agreeing to Obey, and then NOT.
And the NOT obeying continues to this day for the Majority of Israel (NOT believing Jesus is their Christ Messiah), excepting a FEW, Messanic Jews.

The People Converted IN Christ Jesus, (most of them calling themselves "Christians" are SUBJECT TO experiencing persecution, BECAUSE WHEN they were Converted; THEY DRANK from the SAME CUP Jesus did; WHICH means; THEY AGREED to be persecuted BY others, WHO REJECT Jesus, just as Jesus was persecuted by those who REJECTED Jesus.

Those things have occured for Hundreds of years....years after years, generations after generations.

God has not Persecuted them.
God has ALLOWED other men to Persecute them.

God has set a sepecific TIME for His WRATH to be known to the World.

It is not going to be like what men have done to other men....In Germany, In Jerusalem, in here or there.

Gods WRATH WILL effect the WHOLE World...

There is INTENT in delineating persecution, trials, hardships, tribulations.....FROM THE "GREAT" Tribulation...

Matt 24:
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Your teaching things that shall occur in the GREAT TRIBULATION have come to pass, is in error.

Glory to God,
Taken

The persecution of the people of God already happened, for "time, times, and half a time", which is 3.5 prophetic years, which is 42 prophetic months, which is 1,260 literal years, already happened at the hand of Roman popes, as inquisitions and massacres, for this persecution was prophesied to come to pass at the hand of the fourth kingdom of Daniel, which were the Romans. These are undeniable truths. As such, the great tribulation is a much shorter period of time than the mainstream pastors erroneously teach, it is a one year period that begins with the financial collapse of paper money and fiat currency, which is the mark of the beast, hence the reason the merchants of the earth mourn for the destruction of Vatican City, for no one buys their merchandise anymore, then months later is the second coming of the Messiah, which in relation the autumn appointed times of the Torah begin with the 7 trumpets blasts, then the 7 bowls of wrath, around 3 weeks of destruction leaving every city in rubble, and then the nations will be gathered and taken to Israel to be judged and thrown into lava. And this is why this year is called "the great tribulation", which has never happened in the history of the earth and will never happen again, and also why it is written, "in one day came death, famine, plague, and mourning will come to you", where one prophetic day is one literal year. Read this bible study, inform yourself, What the Great Tribulation of the Second Coming Will Be Like, and When the Seven Trumpets and Seven Bowls of Revelation Will Happen | Wisdom of God .
 

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The mark of the beast is a literal, physical mark located in the right hand or forehead. It will be a microchip; these things are already in the making: they are already on the earth at this time. It will not be fully come until money can no longer be used and only the microchip can be used for buying and selling.
 

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The Torah commands, "you shall have righteous weights and quantities". Paper money is not a righteous quantity, because it is deliberately devalued, and represents nothing of value, it is mere paper, hence "fiat currency". That is why the minimum wage of one day in a country like Egypt in their EGP currency is enough to buy food for one day in a richer country like the US, because of the devaluation of paper money. They are completely impoverished, through this form of money, through paper money and fiat currency. It is evil, and whoever denies it is a complete idiot. This is why it is the mark of the beast, and those who willingly use it daily are just as culpable as those who issue it, because any currency also only exists by the mutual consent of those who buy or sell with it daily. But of course, many so called "believers" deny this truth and get angry when it is mentioned to them, because they do not want to be inconvenienced by having to leave this financial system. So they make themselves believe fantasies regarding some future "microchip" implant, and are quick to say, "I will never accept the microchip!", unaware that the symbols in Revelation speak of a hidden abomination that has come into existence in the last 100 years and has become widespread throughout the world and is the only way to buy or sell with, paper money and fiat currency. Foolish people you are, rejecting the truth, to your own destruction.

I am well aware of fiat currency, and NO currency whereby data has replaced any resemblance of money exchange.

any currency also only exists by the mutual consent of those who buy or sell with it daily.

Correct! Be it gold, silver, coin, paper, electronic data...it is via mutual consent.

And is not Egypt it's own Sovereign Nation, striking "mutual consent" among it's citizens?
And the Government of Egypt doing business according to the Consent of the Governed?

I agree, Governments (and not giving credit to any One Government) all have a Corrupt side, and the Govern-ED of any Government have to Individually decide to what extent they can exclude themselves from playing in their SANDBOX.

So, you did not answer...Do you engage in USING paper money?

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The persecution of the people of God already happened, for "time, times, and half a time", which is 3.5 prophetic years, which is 42 prophetic months, which is 1,260 literal years, already happened at the hand of Roman popes, as inquisitions and massacres, for this persecution was prophesied to come to pass at the hand of the fourth kingdom of Daniel, which were the Romans. These are undeniable truths. As such, the great tribulation is a much shorter period of time than the mainstream pastors erroneously teach, it is a one year period that begins with the financial collapse of paper money and fiat currency, which is the mark of the beast, hence the reason the merchants of the earth mourn for the destruction of Vatican City, for no one buys their merchandise anymore, then months later is the second coming of the Messiah, which in relation the autumn appointed times of the Torah begin with the 7 trumpets blasts, then the 7 bowls of wrath, around 3 weeks of destruction leaving every city in rubble, and then the nations will be gathered and taken to Israel to be judged and thrown into lava. And this is why this year is called "the great tribulation", which has never happened in the history of the earth and will never happen again, and also why it is written, "in one day came death, famine, plague, and mourning will come to you", where one prophetic day is one literal year. Read this bible study, inform yourself, What the Great Tribulation of the Second Coming Will Be Like, and When the Seven Trumpets and Seven Bowls of Revelation Will Happen | Wisdom of God .

When was the 4th seal opened and a forth of the world's population was killed? In a Day?

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When was the 4th seal opened and a forth of the world's population was killed? In a Day?

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True. And, I have yet to see or read, hear ANYTHING like this: "They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia." Revelation 14:20
 
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When was the 4th seal opened and a forth of the world's population was killed? In a Day?

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The fourth seal represents evil angels sent and given authority over a fourth of the earth south of the land of Israel and given authority to kill with famine, disease, war, and death by animals, which is why the same horses in Zechariah go to the south of Israel, which would thus be continent of Africa, which is why that land has suffered much by famine, disease, war, and death by animals more than any other land on earth, and is also around a fourth of the percentage of dry land of the earth, which thus serves as a sign of the imminent second coming of the Messiah as each seal is broken, leading up to the final seal that is broken, which is the second coming of the Messiah, which begins in the final portion of the sixth seal. The Fulfillment of the Seven Seals of Revelation, and When the Sun Turned to Darkness and the Moon Became like Blood | Wisdom of God
 

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The fourth seal represents evil angels sent and given authority over a fourth of the earth south of the land of Israel and given authority to kill with famine, disease, war, and death by animals, which is why the same horses in Zechariah go to the south of Israel, which would thus be continent of Africa, which is why that land has suffered much by famine, disease, war, and death by animals more than any other land on earth, and is also around a fourth of the percentage of dry land of the earth, which thus serves as a sign of the imminent second coming of the Messiah as each seal is broken, leading up to the final seal that is broken, which is the second coming of the Messiah, which begins in the final portion of the sixth seal. The Fulfillment of the Seven Seals of Revelation, and When the Sun Turned to Darkness and the Moon Became like Blood | Wisdom of God

What happened to your teaching of in a DAY?

You re speaking of 60+ countries in Africa...
Primarily Rejecting Christ Jesus, and turning to Islam.

Odd how they are one of the oldest populated areas...and the poorest....Seems as if they heard, but did not desire to Submit to Jesus.

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What happened to your teaching of in a DAY?

You re speaking of 60+ countries in Africa...
Primarily Rejecting Christ Jesus, and turning to Islam.

Odd how they are one of the oldest populated areas...and the poorest....Seems as if they heard, but did not desire to Submit to Jesus.

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The 4th seal of Revelation has nothing to do with the one prophetic day the events of the second coming happen in. The seven seals of Revelation pertain to the span of time from the first coming of the Messiah to his second coming.
 

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Clearly you did not read the bible study or you did not understand it. It never ceases to amaze me how the truth is plainly told to you people, yet you people choose to deviate into error because of your own hardness of hearts. This is why the Messiah warned, "do not cast your pearls to swine", for pigs do not understand the value of pearls.

And now you call others pigs? Have you read the rules of the forum?
 

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And now you call others pigs? Have you read the rules of the forum?
It should be acceptable to the rules of the forum to give reference to Matthew 7:6.

Of course, calling people idiots is crossing the line. It is the same as crying "Raca." (Matthew 5:22). Because "Raca" is translatable into "you idiot."
 

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Clearly you did not read the bible study or you did not understand it. It never ceases to amaze me how the truth is plainly told to you people, yet you people choose to deviate into error because of your own hardness of hearts. This is why the Messiah warned, "do not cast your pearls to swine", for pigs do not understand the value of pearls.
Constantly scavenging for pearls myself in daily study of the word of the Lord.
 

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The 4th seal of Revelation has nothing to do with the one prophetic day the events of the second coming happen in. The seven seals of Revelation pertain to the span of time from the first coming of the Messiah to his second coming.

Ya, um No.

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2Th 2:1, Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3, Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4, Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5, Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

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Ephesians 4:32

“And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.”