The good man that turned bad out of necessity
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Followers of Jesus can do a lot of things, and are expected to. What we cannot ever do, under any circumstances, is to go against Jesus and the apostles.
That’s what I was invited to do in post #620.
That’s what I was invited to do in post #620.
That’s an assumption.
The only way to God is through Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, Son of the living God. That’s a fact.
What is keeping you from following him?
There was no gasoline in the days when Christians were burning Christians at the stake. Other fuel served that purpose.
My Anabaptist ancestors did not kill their Christian persecutors.
There was no gasoline in the days when Nero was burning Christians as human torches in his garden. My primitive Christian ancestors did not kill Nero.
Why do you want me to kill those who are persecuting me and my family?
The good man has no necessity to turn bad.
The good man has the necessity of following the teaching and practice of Jesus and the apostles. That is true if the good man is dealing with good men. That is true if the good man is dealing with evil men.
The good man has the necessity of following the teaching and practice of Jesus and the apostles. That is true if the good man is dealing with good men. That is true if the good man is dealing with evil men.
I think he’ll eventually see that and change his mind, but he needs time and good guidance. You can give him that. You have the heart of a pastor.
I also think he should talk about it in the “Christians Only“ forums. He’s not far removed from agnosticism and those old arguments. My sense is that he could be dragged back into it, which I would hate to see happen. Swimming in atheistic / agnostic waters - you can do it safely. I‘m not convinced he can at this time.
It’s his decision to make.
“If Satan cannot convince you that God does not exist, he will gladly convince you that God does not care how you live.
A Christianity with no repentance, no holiness, no obedience, and no fear of God is exactly the kind of Christianity Satan is happy for you to have.” - Scott Roberts
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Going against the teaching of Jesus and the apostles is disobedience to their authority.
A Christianity with no repentance, no holiness, no obedience, and no fear of God is exactly the kind of Christianity Satan is happy for you to have.” - Scott Roberts
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If Satan cannot convince you that God does not exist, he will gladly convince you that God does not care how you live. A Christianity with no repentance, no holiness, no obedience, and no fear of God is exactly the kind of Christianity Satan is happy for you to have.
Going against the teaching of Jesus and the apostles is disobedience to their authority.
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“The death of Jesus made men willing to die for him. No pain, no torture, could keep back the believing host. They loved Jesus so that though their leaders fell by bloody deaths, another rank came on, and yet another, and another, til despots saw that neither dungeon, nor rack, nor fire could stop the march of the army of Christ. It is so now. Christ’s wounds pour life into the church by transfusion: the life-blood of the church of God is from Jesus’ wounds. Let us know its power and feel it working within us to will and to do of his good pleasure.” - C.H. Spurgeon
Yes, within the framework of Jewish monotheism. Is that what is keeping you from following him?
RLT63
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I’m curious about why @Mancunian asked me about it. It was a good question; I’m glad he asked it, but what is he driving at in our conversation about not killing my enemies and following Jesus? I guess we’ll find out.
RLT63
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Well thank you for that comment kind sir it's much appreciated.
I was asking you the question because I'd like to find out more about the Old Testament and what change happened with God in the New Testament.
We know from reading the book of Genesis that God wiped out all living things apart from Noah and his family just as one example. There are lots of other examples of God's wrath from those books.
If you can explain what you think changed because as I've said before Jesus seemed to be a good man so I'm a little confused.
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