The good man that turned bad out of necessity
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How many US citizens were killed when the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima?
AI Overview -
“An estimated 3,012 US citizens were killed in Hiroshima when the atomic bomb was dropped on August 6, 1945.
While the atomic bomb wiped out a massive portion of the city’s population, historical records show that the victims included thousands of Americans belonging to two distinct groups:
Ethnic Japanese-American Civilians
• Estimated Casualties: Roughly 3,000 civilians.
• Context: Prior to World War II, Hiroshima was a major source of Japanese immigration to the United States. Thousands of American-born children (Nisei) and their mothers had travelled back to Hiroshima to visit family or attend school.
• Outcome: When the war broke out, they became trapped in Japan and were unable to return to the US, ultimately putting them directly in the path of the nuclear blast.
American Prisoners of War
• Confirmed Casualties: Exactly 12 American military personnel.
• Context: These men were US Navy and Army Air Force aviators who had been shot down during conventional bombing raids over Japan in the weeks leading up to August 1945.
• Outcome: They were being held captive at the Chugoku Military Police Headquarters, located just 400 meters from the bomb’s hypocenter. Their deaths were painstakingly documented decades later by Hiroshima survivor Shigeaki Mori.”
I’ll reword my question then.
Do you consider Catholics to be your brothers and sisters in faith?
To further simplify it, do you consider Catholics to be your fellow Christians?
If you do, that makes them your spiritual family.
True enough. But there is a difference between a spiritual family and your real family.
I think I know what you mean when you say “real” - something like biological, natural, genealogical: mom, dad, brother, uncle, aunt, cousin, grandparent, etc. - but the distinction you’re making - one is real, the other is not, or is less - is something that doesn’t match with my worldview.
My spiritual family is just as real to me as my “real” family is. I wouldn’t kill either group.
You’ve probably heard the phrase “family of man”. The connotation is that all human beings are related; a family. If we could trace our individual genealogical lines back far enough, we all arrive at Adam and Eve. Looked at from that perspective, I wouldn’t kill any human being.
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You said earlier that Catholics / Christians being killed at Nagasaki had no impact on you, even after seeing a couple of photographs connecting faces to the rubble, but added later that if family were involved - your “real” family - it would have an impact on you. What I’d like to find out is what kind of impact that scenario would have on you.
You could kill your spiritual family (in a war scenario) and you have no issue with other Christians killing your spiritual family - that’s the Christians killing Christians issue; Christian Nationalism.
Could you kill your “real” family (in a war scenario)? For example, like what occurred in the US Civil War, or at Hiroshima in World War II.
Could you live with other Christians killing your “real” family (in a war scenario)?
If my real family took up arms against me, I would have no choice but to defend myself. Of course I would have an issue with it though. It's not like I would derive joy from it.
Not without reprisal.
With lethal force?
So if that was your “real” family that was destroyed by the atomic bomb dropped by the United States, what kind of reprisal would you undertake? And against whom would you undertake it? The pilot and crew? The US military? The weapon manufacturer? Someone or something else?
Take a look at this photograph from the liberation of Auschwitz.
What do you see? Soldiers from the USSR; an atheist government. Enemies of God. God’s ministers. This is Romans 13:4, as Paul would recognize and acknowledge.
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