The Good Works God Desires

[RichardBurger]

The Good Works God Desires:

Hos 6:6
6 For I desire mercy and not sacrifice,
And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
NKJV

To be merciful.
Mic 6:8
8 He has shown you, O man, what is good;
And what does the Lord require of you
But to do justly,
To love mercy,
And to walk humbly with your God?
NKJV

To do justly, to be merciful, to walk in humility before God.

Mic 7:18
18 Who is a God like You, Pardoning iniquity
And passing over the transgression of the remnant of His heritage?
He does not retain His anger forever,
Because He delights in mercy.
NKJV

Worth remembering!

Matt 9:12-13
12 When Jesus heard that, He said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.
13 But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice.' For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance."
NKJV

The above is a reference to Hos 6:6.

Rom 9:22-24
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
NKJV

Gal 5:22-24
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
NKJV

The child of God “”WILL”” demonstrate love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. --- These are the works that God approves of. ---- They will not have to be prodded by the self-righteous to do them. The child of God is a vessel of mercy. See Rom 9:22-24

All of these things are an attitude in the heart.

 

[Prentis]

Amen! :)

[sup]1[/sup] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.

What's in the heart? Obedience out of faith! ;)

 

[RichardBurger]

Amen! :)

[sup]1[/sup] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.

What's in the heart? Obedience out of faith! ;)

If you believed what I wrote you would not be on everyone of my posts proclaiming works for salvation.

"The child of God “”WILL”” demonstrate love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. --- These are the works that God approves of. ---- They will not have to be prodded by the self-righteous to do them. The child of God is a vessel of mercy.

If you love others do not lay a burden on them that you can not carry yourself. You sin just as the rest of us do.

 

[Prentis]

Richard, I did not declare judgment on anyone.

I am declaring we must obey, leave iniquity, and walk in the paths of righteousness, seek Christ, and his holiness, and walk in his ways, and obey his commands out of faith. :)

 

[Prentis]

Revelation 2:26
And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—

Revelation 3:2
Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.
Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

Clearly, it is not the doing of works that is wrong. We are to be rich in good works! But the evil is to justify ourselves by them. Believing is a work, by the way, and it is just as wrong to justify OURSELVES by it.

We are to do the works prepared in advance, Richard! That is faith. As Joshua and Caleb, we have to TAKE the Land by faith, take the promises, call into being what is not.

 

[RichardBurger]

Richard, I did not declare judgment on anyone.

I am declaring we must obey, leave iniquity, and walk in the paths of righteousness, seek Christ, and his holiness, and walk in his ways, and obey his commands out of faith. :)

You are declaring judgement on the children of God as if you are god. The childern of God do as God directs, not as you direct.

In another post by you, you said you are kicking and proding the children of God indicating you have that mission. Who made you their judge and task master?

You set your self up as being more righteous than others and that is not of God. That is just being self-righteous.

Romans 14:4
4 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
NKJV

 

[Prentis]

You are declaring judgement on the children of God as if you are god. The childern of God do as God directs, not as you direct.

In another post by you, you said you are kicking and proding the children of God indicating you have that mission. Who made you their judge and task master?

You set your self up as being more righteous than others and that is not of God. That is just being self-righteous.

Romans 14:4
4 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
NKJV

You add to what I said. I said we all need kicking and prodding, and we all need to kick and prod each other. If we are in Christ... We are our brothers keeper!

If I prod, I only expect to see the same happen to myself. This is iron sharpening iron. I am not a judge or a task master... But a brother who had to be exhorted to learn, who has to be exhorted to learn, and who has seen mutual exhortation bring learning to brothers in Christ. We all declare the truth to each other, because WE (not 'I') have the mind of Christ, thus we share.

Why do you hate to hear people calling men to obey Christ?

 

[RichardBurger]

You add to what I said. I said we all need kicking and prodding, and we all need to kick and prod each other. If we are in Christ... We are our brothers keeper!

If I prod, I only expect to see the same happen to myself. This is iron sharpening iron. I am not a judge or a task master... But a brother who had to be exhorted to learn, who has to be exhorted to learn, and who has seen mutual exhortation bring learning to brothers in Christ. We all declare the truth to each other, because WE (not 'I') have the mind of Christ, thus we share.

Why do you hate to hear people calling men to obey Christ?

You said; "I said we all need kicking and prodding, and we all need to kick and prod each other."

Speak for yourself. If others are doing what God directs who are you to say they aren't?

There have always been those self-righteous men who, wanting to be like God, elevate themself up to be the judge of the children of God. I see you as one of them.

The scripture I quoted asks the question "who are you that you can judge God's children". Show me where you got the right to judges the children of God.

Gal 5:22-24
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
NKJV

No one is at peace when there is a tyrant trying to run their lives. I see no fruits of the Spirit in anyone that trys to set themselves up as a judge over others.

IMHO you are not a child of God. You do not offer comfort to anyone, just rules and regulations that you say other must follow.

My post on Imputed righteousness;--- You say that is not correct because we must establish our own righteousness.

My post on Freedom From Our Sins; --- You say we are not set free from our sins because we must obey rule and regulations.

My post on The word “HAS” (meaning it HAS already been accomplished); You say we must see the word "IF" and by saying it you are saying it is not of faith, it is of works.

NO, IMHO you are not a child of God.

A child of God is made a child of God by the Holy Spirit, made a child of God by the free gift of salvation based on the work of Jesus Christ on the cross.

 

[Jake]

I saw this the other day, "God gives every bird their food, but He doesn't throw it into their nest".

It's the same concept with us, He has available to us all of the characteristics of the Fruit of the Spirit, but it doesn't mean we automatically are immediately conformed into the image of Christ or act like Him, just check out some of the posts on this forum. We can also know if we all realized God does want us to do something, that He has works prepared for us since the foundation of the world, there would be a far greater impact, from believers, in our world today.

 

[RichardBurger]

I saw this the other day, "God gives every bird their food, but He doesn't throw it into their nest".

It's the same concept with us, He has available to us all of the characteristics of the Fruit of the Spirit, but it doesn't mean we automatically are immediately conformed into the image of Christ or act like Him, just check out some of the posts on this forum. We can also know if we all realized God does want us to do something, that He has works prepared for us since the foundation of the world, there would be a far greater impact, from believers, in our world today.

I put you in the same boat as Prentis. Every thing I have said to Prentis applies to you. You both preach works for salvation and say that we must do something in order to be saved; we must earn our salvation; that it is not a free gift through the blood of Jesus on the cross.

I will show you what a free gift is.

The Great -You have to take it- debate:

It is said that faith is not faith unless it has works as a result. Many use the statement “you have to reach out and take it” as an example of having to do the work of taking the free gift of salvation. --- That is the way a man might see it. However;

“Faith is the substance of things not seen:” Heb 11:1-2
1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2. For by it (faith) the elders obtained a good testimony. NKJV

How can you reach out, with human hands,, and take something that is not seen with the human eye? A child of God does not reach out and take the free gift of salvation, by God’s grace, by physical human actions (works).

An example: ----- A friend of mine knows I need a car to get me to the store and back so he puts his car in my driveway with gas and keys in it. He then calls me to tell me about it. --- I don’t have to look in the driveway to see if there is a car there because I trust in my friend. He wouldn’t tell me it was there if it wasn’t. In other words I have faith, trust, and confidence in my friend.

--- The car is a gift, given to me by a friend. It is there ready for me to use. But I don’t need to use it right now. My friend has been a wonderful friend and now I am going to tell everyone I know about him.

----- My friend is Jesus. The car is His salvation and it is not a physical thing that can be obtained physically. ---

Two important things to think about:
1. What if my wife tells me “how can I be sure the car is there unless I go and see.” If I listen to her, and go see, then I have lost my faith, trust, confidence in what my friend told me. My efforts to go and see has not proved my faith, “”It has proven my lack of faith.””

2. What if my wife tells me I need to go and pay my friend some money for the rental of his car and I do as she asks? Now I have replaced my friends offer of a gift with a payment and that makes his gift a paid for item. It is no longer a gift. I have put him in the car rental business.

I believe, I have faith, I trust, I have confidence, in the work that God’s Son, Jesus, accomplished on the cross. When I pass from this life into the next, His work on the cross will allow me to be in heaven with my heavenly Father. It is then that I will need to use His free gift of salvation. It is always mine to use when I pass from this life into the next.

If a person thinks that God owes them something for what they do, then to them, God owes them a payment. It is a work that creates a debt that they think must be paid by God to the worker. This is law. If a person does a work and DOES NOT expect a payment in return then that is a gift. This is grace.

Jesus’ work on the cross was under law and has resulted in God giving Him all power and authority. That is the payment for the work that Jesus did on the cross. Jesus did that work for us, so that we can become children of God “”by faith in His work.””

Today we are not saved under the law of debt and payment. We are saved by God’s grace given to us by the work of His Son on the cross. Given to us by Jesus because He loves us enough to make a plan of salvation that saves sinners and all men are sinners.

 

[Jake]

I put you in the same boat as Prentis. Every thing I have said to Prentis applies to you. You both preach works for salvation and say that we must do something in order to be saved; we must earn our salvation; that it is not a free gift through the blood of Jesus on the cross.

I will show you what a free gift is.

The Great -You have to take it- debate:

It is said that faith is not faith unless it has works as a result. Many use the statement “you have to reach out and take it” as an example of having to do the work of taking the free gift of salvation. --- That is the way a man might see it. However;

“Faith is the substance of things not seen:” Heb 11:1-2
1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2. For by it (faith) the elders obtained a good testimony. NKJV

How can you reach out, with human hands,, and take something that is not seen with the human eye? A child of God does not reach out and take the free gift of salvation, by God’s grace, by physical human actions (works).

An example: ----- A friend of mine knows I need a car to get me to the store and back so he puts his car in my driveway with gas and keys in it. He then calls me to tell me about it. --- I don’t have to look in the driveway to see if there is a car there because I trust in my friend. He wouldn’t tell me it was there if it wasn’t. In other words I have faith, trust, and confidence in my friend.

--- The car is a gift, given to me by a friend. It is there ready for me to use. But I don’t need to use it right now. My friend has been a wonderful friend and now I am going to tell everyone I know about him.

----- My friend is Jesus. The car is His salvation and it is not a physical thing that can be obtained physically. ---

Two important things to think about:
1. What if my wife tells me “how can I be sure the car is there unless I go and see.” If I listen to her, and go see, then I have lost my faith, trust, confidence in what my friend told me. My efforts to go and see has not proved my faith, “”It has proven my lack of faith.””

2. What if my wife tells me I need to go and pay my friend some money for the rental of his car and I do as she asks? Now I have replaced my friends offer of a gift with a payment and that makes his gift a paid for item. It is no longer a gift. I have put him in the car rental business.

I believe, I have faith, I trust, I have confidence, in the work that God’s Son, Jesus, accomplished on the cross. When I pass from this life into the next, His work on the cross will allow me to be in heaven with my heavenly Father. It is then that I will need to use His free gift of salvation. It is always mine to use when I pass from this life into the next.

If a person thinks that God owes them something for what they do, then to them, God owes them a payment. It is a work that creates a debt that they think must be paid by God to the worker. This is law. If a person does a work and DOES NOT expect a payment in return then that is a gift. This is grace.

Jesus’ work on the cross was under law and has resulted in God giving Him all power and authority. That is the payment for the work that Jesus did on the cross. Jesus did that work for us, so that we can become children of God “”by faith in His work.””

Today we are not saved under the law of debt and payment. We are saved by God’s grace given to us by the work of His Son on the cross. Given to us by Jesus because He loves us enough to make a plan of salvation that saves sinners and all men are sinners.

You are putting words into my mouth, Richard. I never once said that works will save us, God has it set up this way, so that no man may boast.

My point is: Even the birds are smart enough to know that God has given them the free gift of food, they just have to GO and gather it, even the Israelites figured out they had to go and actually gather the manna.

If only we would be as smart as the birds and go and gather God's grace, so that we may do the good works He has prepared for us. His expectations for us are very high - they are Jesus height!

Praise God that He will give us an abundance life, not mediocre, but an abundance one, to overflowing, if only we would gather it for ourselves! Our expectations are way too low, He wants to show us His glory NOW, we have eternal life NOW....why sit on it and do nothing about it?

 

[Prentis]

The free gift is grace. Salvation is not earned, rather it is worked out. Salvation is not just God overlooking our faults, but it is God transforming us so that we would sin no more. We are to be participants in this salvation.

I like the analogy of the birds. :)

It is another for the bread of life. The bread of life is available to us, by faith we have access to our daily bread, the grace for today.

 

[Shirley]

Oh my goodness I was lifted up in my Spirit and then taken down. Oh dearest brothers we are all children of God on these posts here. I know you guys are helping us to learn things with the words you were taught. All of you have helped me with my walk. All of you! I want us to be a body so bad and sometimes you guys make me cry! Sorry, not trying to put anyone down b/c I do really love you all! Why can't we just post where we feel love? Please guys don't take the thing God is showing you now and troll around after other people whose method is differant. Some of us are in one type of language and another another. How bout makin it real? Like here is what God has done for me, or here is what God showed me! How about being willing to yeild!

Well brother you might be right, or well sister we'll have to disagree on this but I love you anyways and so does our Father in Heaven! Agenda's are rude! Lets love each other and not judge each other and never harass each other! Please! Lets be a real body! Here now! Do you love Muslims? Then you should study what they believe and relate to them in love by pointing out all the things that you havew in common just like Apostle Paul did and so many great teachers. Don't look for different but stick up for the bottom line of are you acting in God or in ego? Is it me talking Lord? Yes we need to stick up for ourselves though! We also need to humble ourselves before each other! I know i always get off topic but thats the way I am.

I am: God's child, Servant to man, grandma, Momma, Auntie, Compassionate, nonjudgemental, caring, A Jesus follower, a person who has really suffered, really cared, a trying to recover addict confessing my sin in public, and any other thing you need me to be! A slave of God until the time of my redemption! To the Jew a Jew! To the gentile a Gentile! Lead me LORD! I will! i'll follow! I'll listen! I'll let you have your way! I'm thankful! Thank-you Father, Thank-you Jesus! You are changing us into your likeness! We won't put you into a box! We want to do your work today! Even though we know we are just learning please use us today!

 

[Jake]

The free gift is grace. Salvation is not earned, rather it is worked out. Salvation is not just God overlooking our faults, but it is God transforming us so that we would sin no more. We are to be participants in this salvation.

I like the analogy of the birds. :)

It is another for the bread of life. The bread of life is available to us, by faith we have access to our daily bread, the grace for today.

I agree! Salvation is worked out, it is also conditional! The OP lacks much in this area, for in the Bible, we can see the conditions....

In Acts 16:31 it says "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved" - only believe is not simply having a head knowledge - even the demons believe.

John 1:12 says "To all who did receive him.....he gave the right to be children of God" - but receive is also a verb, on-going, we must continue in receiving.

Acts 3:19 "Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins will be blotted out"

OBEDIENCE - no way! Hebrews 5:9 "became the source of eternal salvation to all who OBEY Him."

John 3:36 "Whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life"

Matthew 18:3 "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven"

Mark 8:34-35 "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel's will save it" - OH......and the mention of ONE gospel!

Matthew 10:37 "Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worth yfo me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

1 Cor 16:22 "If anyone has no love for the Lord, let him be accursed"

Luke 14:33 "Any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple"

There is much, much more to our works than what the OP has to offer!

Oh my goodness I was lifted up in my Spirit and then taken down. Oh dearest brothers we are all children of God on these posts here. I know you guys are helping us to learn things with the words you were taught. All of you have helped me with my walk. All of you! I want us to be a body so bad and sometimes you guys make me cry! Sorry, not trying to put anyone down b/c I do really love you all! Why can't we just post where we feel love? Please guys don't take the thing God is showing you now and troll around after other people whose method is differant. Some of us are in one type of language and another another. How bout makin it real? Like here is what God has done for me, or here is what God showed me! How about being willing to yeild!

Well brother you might be right, or well sister we'll have to disagree on this but I love you anyways and so does our Father in Heaven! Agenda's are rude! Lets love each other and not judge each other and never harass each other! Please! Lets be a real body! Here now! Do you love Muslims? Then you should study what they believe and relate to them in love by pointing out all the things that you havew in common just like Apostle Paul did and so many great teachers. Don't look for different but stick up for the bottom line of are you acting in God or in ego? Is it me talking Lord? Yes we need to stick up for ourselves though! We also need to humble ourselves before each other! I know i always get off topic but thats the way I am.

I am: God's child, Servant to man, grandma, Momma, Auntie, Compassionate, nonjudgemental, caring, A Jesus follower, a person who has really suffered, really cared, a trying to recover addict confessing my sin in public, and any other thing you need me to be! A slave of God until the time of my redemption! To the Jew a Jew! To the gentile a Gentile! Lead me LORD! I will! i'll follow! I'll listen! I'll let you have your way! I'm thankful! Thank-you Father, Thank-you Jesus! You are changing us into your likeness! We won't put you into a box! We want to do your work today! Even though we know we are just learning please use us today!

I hear what you're saying and I agree, but this is the debate forum.

peace -

 

[Prentis]

Oh my goodness I was lifted up in my Spirit and then taken down. Oh dearest brothers we are all children of God on these posts here. I know you guys are helping us to learn things with the words you were taught. All of you have helped me with my walk. All of you! I want us to be a body so bad and sometimes you guys make me cry! Sorry, not trying to put anyone down b/c I do really love you all! Why can't we just post where we feel love? Please guys don't take the thing God is showing you now and troll around after other people whose method is differant. Some of us are in one type of language and another another. How bout makin it real? Like here is what God has done for me, or here is what God showed me! How about being willing to yeild!

Well brother you might be right, or well sister we'll have to disagree on this but I love you anyways and so does our Father in Heaven! Agenda's are rude! Lets love each other and not judge each other and never harass each other! Please! Lets be a real body! Here now! Do you love Muslims? Then you should study what they believe and relate to them in love by pointing out all the things that you havew in common just like Apostle Paul did and so many great teachers. Don't look for different but stick up for the bottom line of are you acting in God or in ego? Is it me talking Lord? Yes we need to stick up for ourselves though! We also need to humble ourselves before each other! I know i always get off topic but thats the way I am.

I am: God's child, Servant to man, grandma, Momma, Auntie, Compassionate, nonjudgemental, caring, A Jesus follower, a person who has really suffered, really cared, a trying to recover addict confessing my sin in public, and any other thing you need me to be! A slave of God until the time of my redemption! To the Jew a Jew! To the gentile a Gentile! Lead me LORD! I will! i'll follow! I'll listen! I'll let you have your way! I'm thankful! Thank-you Father, Thank-you Jesus! You are changing us into your likeness! We won't put you into a box! We want to do your work today! Even though we know we are just learning please use us today!

Shirley, sister, blessings to you!

There is a difference between expressing things a different way and actually having another direction... The division is necessary. Our Lord has said, I will set brother against father, and daughter against mother. I understand this to mean that until we come to true agreement, we will fight. If we take this away, we turn to a false peace, it becomes an 'I love you' that has no depth.

The issue is that what is being presented is actually two very different gospels. One is about overcoming, the other about God justifying sinners (apart from true repentance).

In his love...

 

[RichardBurger]

You are putting words into my mouth, Richard. I never once said that works will save us, God has it set up this way, so that no man may boast.

My point is: Even the birds are smart enough to know that God has given them the free gift of food, they just have to GO and gather it, even the Israelites figured out they had to go and actually gather the manna.

If only we would be as smart as the birds and go and gather God's grace, so that we may do the good works He has prepared for us. His expectations for us are very high - they are Jesus height!

Praise God that He will give us an abundance life, not mediocre, but an abundance one, to overflowing, if only we would gather it for ourselves! Our expectations are way too low, He wants to show us His glory NOW, we have eternal life NOW....why sit on it and do nothing about it?

How do you "go and get it?"

It is said that faith is not faith unless it has works as a result. Many use the statement “you have to reach out and take it” as an example of having to do the work of taking the free gift of salvation. --- That is the way a man might see it. However;

“Faith is the substance of things not seen:” Heb 11:1-2
1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2. For by it (faith) the elders obtained a good testimony. NKJV

You teach works as going to get it and deny that you are teaching works to go and get it.

What you teach is not of faith, it is of works but you are too blind to see it.

I had hoped that you would be able to see the kind of faith that saves in post #10 but you just refuse to see it. We are saved by our faith in God, not by our works but you have refused to see the gospel of grace and IMHO you will wind up in hell with knowledge that you rejected God's offer of salvation by faith and you sent many to hell with you.

 

[Prentis]

How do you "go and get it?"

It is said that faith is not faith unless it has works as a result. Many use the statement “you have to reach out and take it” as an example of having to do the work of taking the free gift of salvation. --- That is the way a man might see it. However;

“Faith is the substance of things not seen:” Heb 11:1-2
1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2. For by it (faith) the elders obtained a good testimony. NKJV

You teach works as going to get it and deny that you are teaching works to go and get it.

What you teach is not of faith, it is of works but you are too blind to see it.

I had hoped that you would be able to see the kind of faith that saves in post #10 but you just refuse to see it. We are saved by our faith in God, not by our works but you have refused to see the gospel of grace and IMHO you will wind up in hell with knowledge that you rejected God's offer of salvation by faith and you sent many to hell with you.

[sup]17[/sup] By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, [sup]18[/sup] of whom it was said, “In Isaac your seed shall be called,”[sup][d][/sup] [sup]19[/sup] concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense.
[sup]20[/sup] By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
[sup]21[/sup] By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of the sons of Joseph, and worshiped, leaning on the top of his staff.
[sup]22[/sup] By faith Joseph, when he was dying, made mention of the departure of the children of Israel, and gave instructions concerning his bones.
[sup]23[/sup] By faith Moses, when he was born, was hidden three months by his parents, because they saw he was a beautiful child; and they were not afraid of the king’s command.
[sup]24[/sup] By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter, [sup]25[/sup] choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, [sup]26[/sup] esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in[sup][e][/sup] Egypt; for he looked to the reward.
[sup]27[/sup] By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for he endured as seeing Him who is invisible. [sup]28[/sup] By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of blood, lest he who destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
[sup]29[/sup] By faith they passed through the Red Sea as by dry land, whereas the Egyptians, attempting to do so, were drowned.

The result of true faith is works, and obedience.

"Noah believed God, and thanked God for his instructions to build the Ark, and he slept, and ate, and was glad, never building the ark, and by his faith he was saved."

The above is the kind of faith you preach. It is dangerous.

The truth is, by faith, Noah obeyed God, and did what he was instructed to do.

 

[Comm.Arnold]

Yeah but were Hosea and Micah that important though ? Even Galatians seems kinda flimsy to me sometimes, now Matthew thats a book you can take to the grave.

 

[Jake]

How do you "go and get it?"

It is said that faith is not faith unless it has works as a result. Many use the statement “you have to reach out and take it” as an example of having to do the work of taking the free gift of salvation. --- That is the way a man might see it. However;

“Faith is the substance of things not seen:” Heb 11:1-2
1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2. For by it (faith) the elders obtained a good testimony. NKJV

You teach works as going to get it and deny that you are teaching works to go and get it.

What you teach is not of faith, it is of works but you are too blind to see it.

I had hoped that you would be able to see the kind of faith that saves in post #10 but you just refuse to see it. We are saved by our faith in God, not by our works but you have refused to see the gospel of grace and IMHO you will wind up in hell with knowledge that you rejected God's offer of salvation by faith and you sent many to hell with you.

.....if only there was even one ounce of God's love in your posts.....

To anyone who reads Richard's "another gospel" posts, that Paul warned us about:

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (NIV 1 John 4:1)​

 

[RichardBurger]

.....if only there was even one ounce of God's love in your posts.....

To anyone who reads Richard's "another gospel" posts, that Paul warned us about:

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (NIV 1 John 4:1)​

Those that teach the law of works only love themselves. I am trying to show the love that God has for those that will place their faith in Him. You are only trying to show works as a means of salvation and it will send many to hell. So who is showing love for others.

I teach the gospel of grace. You do not. You teach a gospel of works and it will not save anyone.

Paul taught the gospel of grace and his gospel was given to him by Jesus. As Paul said below;

Galatians 1:6-9
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,
7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
NKJV

Who are the "some." They were the Judisers who were trying to get those under grace to go back to the law of works just as you and others are doing. According to Paul you, and others, are accursed because you do not preach grace, you preach works.