Actually, when we abide in Jesus we HAVE eternal life already. To abide in Jesus means we are walking in HIS resurrection life and power.
The Holy Sacrament is Spiritual
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Eternally Grateful
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yes
As Paul said, we were baptized into Christ
its not a sacrament, or tradition. it is the work of God.. totally
You are not understanding what eternal life is. Jesus says we HAVE eternal life by entering INTO Him. A new body is future...but eternal life is NOW...always NOW.
You are confusing an eternal life (we enter into by abiding in Christ) with a length of time. But eternal life has no time...otherwise it isn't eternal.
It isn't rational to think that eternal life only begins some time in the future.
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Jim B
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Sharing bread doesn't mean the sacrament. It means eating together.
It doesn't saying eating bread. It says breaking of bread. You only break bread from Jesus' teachings. I didn't get that incorrect.
Eternally Grateful
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you are so focused on works and self.
This is NOT what it means
Peter said what it means, We have come to know and believe YOU ARE THE CHRIST
Eating the flesh and drinking is to eat the bread of life. which is the cross.
It has nothing to do with how good we are or what we do.
When Jesus said He was the manna/bread/food from heaven, you think he meant the cross…?
As in, I am the cross sent from heaven…?
He even said when breaking the bread, this is my body, NOT this is My cross.
c’mon, youre just making stuff up now!
I give a thoughtful and deeply biblical answer that takes in to account both testaments and you respond with eating a cross?
In your quest to destroy adult responsibility, you seem to have left out party hats and sparklers...
MATTHEW 5 KJV
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you,THAT EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees, YE SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
Can we do to MUCH to follow God/ Christ ? The above script tells us OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS must exceed that of the scribes / Pharisees, but I give unto you this.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you,THAT EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees, YE SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
Can we do to MUCH to follow God/ Christ ? The above script tells us OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS must exceed that of the scribes / Pharisees, but I give unto you this.
Eternally Grateful
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You give answers based on your legalistic mindset.I give a thoughtful and deeply biblical answer that takes in to account both testaments and you respond with eating a cross?
In your quest to destroy adult responsibility, you seem to have left out party hats and sparklers...
I just take Jesus words for what he meant
why is the cross such a failure to you? How has jesus failed so much you think you have to add your work to the cross?
You say "unto" us a better way of understanding than Jesus? By misquoting Paul? Delusions aside, Jesus doesn't say..."unless you CLAIM to have a greater righteousness than the Pharisees". Righteous is as righteous does. Jesus said that we are to have reality and truth in what we say and do.
That is NOT being encouraged in many religious circles. What IS being encouraged is to emulate the Pharisees ( and even surpass them in arrogant assumptions and presumptions) in claiming to be righteous because of one's beliefs. Even claiming to be as righteous as God. That kind of hypocrisy far exceeds the pretending of the Pharisees of old.
So then we are not to be LESS righteous than the Pharisees. But claiming to be as righteous as God makes one even LESS righteous than the ones who only claimed to be as righteous as Moses.
People are falling for a trick of the devil...because they are unlearned and unwise...and reject knowledge and understanding.
Hosea 4:6
“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.”
The Pharisees & scribes thought in themselves to do, having the cup cleaned outside WHERE MEN SEE , yet we are instructed that NOTHING, NO AMOUNT OF OUR works can make us righteous! It is as filthy rags.
Our righteousness comes through, by and "IN" CHRIST, not ourselves or what we do !
We walk, live, breath & have "OUR" being in him. Works profit nothing but faith can turn mountains into molehills.
Obedience is a command & his commands must be kept to profit the soul!
Do not be ignorant for who knows but............that THIS DAY THY SOUL SHALL BE REQUIRED OF THEE!
The Pharisees made a pretense of appearing righteous before men. That doesn't mean that there are no righteous people. It's when we get religious that we put on a show. A lot of people do that same thing with Christianity...claiming to be righteous because of beliefs. A religious bent destroys righteousness in any form. The righteous don't think they are righteous...but God does.
Only those who abide in Christ are covered by God's righteousness. So then technically...what you are saying is true. However, that's not what Jesus meant when He said "your" righteousness. Everyone will be judged by their own righteousness...by their works.
IF (big IF) we have been permitted access to the narrow walk in Christ.
Obedience is on 2 levels. What we do and what God does through us.
A man's righteousness is downward....how humble, honest, broken, and selfless he is. God's righteousness is upward...exalted into heaven.
When a person tries to appear righteous, he is trying to exalt himself....doing what only God can do. So then he loses personal righteousness in trying to escape debasement. By claiming to be as righteous as God, one becomes the least righteous person on earth. It's better to claim to be a fool.
When a person tries to appear righteous, he is trying to exalt himself....doing what only God can do. So then he loses personal righteousness in trying to escape debasement. By claiming to be as righteous as God, one becomes the least righteous person on earth. It's better to claim to be a fool.
Only God is good, Jesus taught us that. Man can act righteous but he is not. We follow the Holy Spirit to act in God's righteousness.
Eternally Grateful
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Amen
No place in john 6 did Jesus tell us to do works. Or be good..
He said the same thing he did in john 3. He who believes in him will never die..
There are other places in the bible well he tells us to do good works. Works meet for repentance. And he tells us that we follow Christ. When Christ was risen with the Father and shared the Comforter with us he also directs us to good works. Although our works won't save us, they show God that we are repenting of our wicked ways.
Eternally Grateful
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A person who trusts. Someone else. Will try to be like them. Because they really trust them
A person who says they trust someone, but never does anything they do. Or does not even listen to that person does not really have faith in that person. It’s a claimed or dead faith.
I'm asking this poster to not address my post or comments again. I'll do the same to yours. Thnx
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