The Jew's Third Temple Plans Progressing

[Spiritual Israelite]

God cannot lie and those claiming He has decided to no longer do what He promised His friend Abraham that He would do... do not know the Lord and are void of understanding.

No one is saying that God lied, but some of us are trying to show you what God actually promised and who He made the promises to. And we're basing this on scripture. The NT sheds light on the more obscure OT, so we should accept what the NT authors taught. Paul showed who the promises God made to Abraham and his seed was actually made to, so do you not accept what Paul taught about that?

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ....29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So, when Paul says the promises made to Abraham and his seed were made to Christ with those who belong to Christ being heirs of those promises, do you accept that or not? Or do you disagree with Paul and instead claim that the promises were made to the physical descendants of Abraham rather than to Christ and those who belong to Christ and are the spiritual seed of Abraham?

 

[covenantee]

Then you must be confused as to WHY the return of the Nation of Israel was foretold in scripture and totally befuddled as to WHY all the muzlim nations have tried numerous times to wipe Israel off the map and have failed even when they were so much more powerful (at least on paper) than Israel
Funny thing ain't it?

So you think that Paul must be confused about whom God blesses in Galatians 3:16,29.

Exhume him and let him know how funny he is.

Tell us what he says.

 

[Davy]

You failed to realize that after the rapture there will still be people getting born again and there will be those that were backsliden away from the Lord that will repent and get right with Him after the rapture and there will be those that believed wrong concerning the rapture and will be left behind.... all of which is how there are Christians still here during the trib.

NONE of that above is written in God's Word. Instead, that is silliness made up by the false pre-trib rapture doctors.

Zechariah 12 and Luke 23:27-30 reveals that the DECEIVED who go into the the "great tribulation" time will REMAIN DECEIVED throughout it until the day when Jesus appears at His 2nd coming. That is why the DECEIVED will say to the mountains, "Fall on us", and to the hills, "Cover us". It will be because of their SHAME for having fallen away to the WRONG CHRIST who comes first.

That applies to DECEIVED believers on Christ also, especially those fooled by men's false pre-trib rapture theory who will think to 'fly away' with that first false-Messiah that comes first, that "man of sin".

 

[Dan Clarkston]

NONE of that above is written in God's Word. Instead, that is silliness made up by the false pre-trib rapture doctors.

Well, according to your faith it shall be done unto you..... So, when things start to get really bad here on Club Earth and a lot of Christians are suddenly missing... you'll know that you have been left behind. Enjoy!

Exhume him and let him know how funny he is.

Unlike yourself... I don't engage in witchcraft trying to talk to the dead

God never changes... He's the same yesterday, today, and forever and it's impossible for Him to lie.

So feel free and look up where God promised Abraham that He would bless his descendants... or not.... I really don't care what you do one way or they other really... I don't associate with those that are racists against the Jewish people or any other race for that matter

 

[covenantee]

Unlike yourself... I don't engage in witchcraft trying to talk to the dead

God never changes... He's the same yesterday, today, and forever and it's impossible for Him to lie.

So feel free and look up where God promised Abraham that He would bless his descendants... or not.... I really don't care what you do one way or they other really... I don't associate with those that are racists against the Jewish people or any other race for that matter

Paul wrote Galatians 3:16,29. He identified Abraham's descendants.

So you believe that Paul was a funny racist who didn't understand what God had promised.

Make sure you tell him when you exhume him.

Tell us what he says.

 

[Davy]

Well, according to your faith it shall be done unto you..... So, when things start to get really bad here on Club Earth and a lot of Christians are suddenly missing... you'll know that you have been left behind. Enjoy! View attachment 59567

That is nothing but men's doctrine of a false pre-trib rapture theory. It was first preached in a Christian Church in 1830's Great Britain by John Nelson Darby, and was carried to the Americas by Cyrus Scofield who created his own reference Bible to push the doctrine, as he was also funded by the Club of New York, a society of New York bankers and lawyers.

Thus for over 1,800 years, the Christian Church held to a post-tribulational coming by Christ to gather His Church. And that because that is actually what is written in God's Word. (Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, with which Apostle Paul's 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 Scripture agrees.)

So I don't have to worry about going through the coming "great tribulation", because I know I am already 'sealed' with God's Seal which is from The Holy Spirit. And the persecution of Christ's elect when that time comes won't be directly by Satan and his angels, it will be by those like you who will believe on Satan in place of our Lord Jesus Christ when Satan and his angels arrive here on earth in Jerusalem. Like Jesus warned at the end of Luke 17 about the first one's 'taken', those will be wheresoever the fowls are gathered to eat on their spiritually dead carcase.


The following is about the 'deceived' who betray their brethren during the coming "great tribulation" time, simply because Christ's elect will refuse to bow to the false-Messiah that comes first to play Christ in Jerusalem...

Mark 13:12-13
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
KJV

 

[rebuilder 454]

Brethren in Christ Jesus, one of the Bible prophecies for the end of this world is the rebuilding of the traditional Jewish temple in Jerusalem, a 3rd stone temple. What events written in God's Word make the building of a 3rd temple in Jerusalem a Biblical fact?

Firstly, the placing of the "abomination that maketh desolate" IDOL per Daniel 11:31, by the final Antichrist at the end of this world, was quoted by Lord Jesus about 200 years after many supposed that Antiochus Epiphanes already fulfilled that back in 165 B.C. (See Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 as signs Jesus gave about the end of this world.) It is that event that will kick off the coming "great tribulation" time at the end of this world. That abomination idol is to be placed in a standing traditional Jewish stone temple in Jerusalem, one that is not there yet today in Jerusalem.

Secondly, the Orthodox unbelieving Jews today understand the Zechariah 6 prophecy that the prophesied Messiah will build the temple when he comes...

Zech 6:12-13
12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
KJV

Our Lord Jesus Christ is that "BRANCH" above. He is the BRANCH out of the stem of Jesse, per Isaiah 11. He is the "righteous Branch" and "King" raised unto David per Jeremiah 23:5 and Jeremiah 33:15. Notice also per the above Zech.6:13 verse that He shall sit and rule upon His throne, and also be a Priest upon His throne. No flesh king has ever... been both... a king and priest upon an earthly throne, not literally. But Lord Jesus will be.

That above Zech.6:12-13 Scripture is for when Lord Jesus Christ returns. And Jesus will not literally return until the last day of this present world.

Yet today's Orthodox Jews do not accept Jesus of Nazareth as the Biblically prophesied Messiah to come per The Old Testament prophets. They are still waiting for Messiah to come. Thus they believe when Messiah does come, He will build the temple, so... those Orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem are preparing... the materials in order to build their 3rd stone temple in Jerusalem.

The sad problem those Orthodox Jews are going to run into in our near future is the fact that Christ and His Apostles have already warned that a false-Messiah is going to come to Jerusalem first, prior to Christ's return (Matthew 24:23-26; 2 Thessalonians 2). But of course the Orthodox Jews don't believe on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, so they don't listen to Him and His New Testament warnings about the end of this world. And some of the Orthodox religious Jews in today's Israel still will burn New Testament Bibles, they hate Jesus so much.

Orthodox Jewish youths burn New Testaments in Or Yehuda

City's deputy mayor initiated bonfire of missionary-distributed material, held next to a synagogue in town.

www.haaretz.com

Plans For The 3rd Temple Progressing:
See the following Jewish website on the continued plans to build their 3rd temple in Jerusalem...

Update on the Building of the Third Temple | Jewish Voice

Discover the significance of the Third Temple in Jewish beliefs and the ongoing preparations for its rebuilding in Israel. Explore the spiritual and redemptive implications for Orthodox Jews in this insightful article.

www.jewishvoice.org

Daniel has the AOD invading the Holy Of holies the middle of the 7 yr great trib.
The trib is kicked off by the AC arriving on a white horse with a bow.
The pretrib rapture is simultaneous.

 

[Davy]

Daniel has the AOD invading the Holy Of holies the middle of the 7 yr great trib.
The trib is kicked off by the AC arriving on a white horse with a bow.
The pretrib rapture is simultaneous.

That's funny, you just ADDED... a pre-trib rapture idea into those Scriptures that does not exist.

The "great tribulation" time is kicked off by the placing of the "abomination of desolation" IDOL at a new stone temple in Jerusalem for the END. And that.. per LORD JESUS CHRIST'S OWN WORDS (Matthew 25:15 forward).

Furthermore, if you bother to follow that Matthew 24 Scripture to the Matt.24:29-31 verses, you will discover Jesus revealing that His coming will be AFTER... the tribulation of those days to gather His saints. Now whether you choose to listen to Him, or to the false pre-trib rapture school, that's your choice. But for me, I will listen to Lord Jesus there.

 

[rebuilder 454]

That's funny, you just ADDED... a pre-trib rapture idea into those Scriptures that does not exist.

The "great tribulation" time is kicked off by the placing of the "abomination of desolation" IDOL at a new stone temple in Jerusalem for the END. And that.. per LORD JESUS CHRIST'S OWN WORDS (Matthew 25:15 forward).

Furthermore, if you bother to follow that Matthew 24 Scripture to the Matt.24:29-31 verses, you will discover Jesus revealing that His coming will be AFTER... the tribulation of those days to gather His saints. Now whether you choose to listen to Him, or to the false pre-trib rapture school, that's your choice. But for me, I will listen to Lord Jesus there.

You ADDED a rapture at the second coming.
Your deal DEPENDS on "one coming"
So you torture Rev 14:14 and THE PRETRIB RAPTURE VERSES to fit your debunked theory.

Honestly unpack Rev 14;14.
Honestly unpack "like manner" of Acts 1
Honestly unpack " the virgin parable"
Honestly unpack "before the flood", and Lot gathered pretrib

No spin, no postrib workbook, to wording changed.
Just read them carefully and explain them, and how in the world it possibly fits anything of a postrib rapture.

 

[rebuilder 454]

That's funny, you just ADDED... a pre-trib rapture idea into those Scriptures that does not exist.

The "great tribulation" time is kicked off by the placing of the "abomination of desolation" IDOL at a new stone temple in Jerusalem for the END. And that.. per LORD JESUS CHRIST'S OWN WORDS (Matthew 25:15 forward).

Furthermore, if you bother to follow that Matthew 24 Scripture to the Matt.24:29-31 verses, you will discover Jesus revealing that His coming will be AFTER... the tribulation of those days to gather His saints. Now whether you choose to listen to Him, or to the false pre-trib rapture school, that's your choice. But for me, I will listen to Lord Jesus there.

In Daniel it says the AOD happens halfway through the trib.
So in no way does that event kick off the trib.
It is halfway INTO THE TRIB that that event happens

 

[Davy]

You ADDED a rapture at the second coming.
Your deal DEPENDS on "one coming"
So you torture Rev 14:14 and THE PRETRIB RAPTURE VERSES to fit your debunked theory.

Honestly unpack Rev 14;14.
Honestly unpack "like manner" of Acts 1
Honestly unpack " the virgin parable"
Honestly unpack "before the flood", and Lot gathered pretrib

No spin, no postrib workbook, to wording changed.
Just read them carefully and explain them, and how in the world it possibly fits anything of a postrib rapture.

I added nothing. You are already telling fibs.

I follow what Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4 about the events of Christ's future coming and gathering of His Church. But YOU... don't even know what Paul taught there, otherwise you wouldn't be saying the rubbish that you are saying.

Paul showed when Jesus comes, that the 'asleep' saints, those who already died in Christ, MUST BE FIRST RESURRECTED. And Paul said when Jesus comes, He will bring those asleep saints with Him (1 Thess.4:13-16). That's ONE group of saints that Jesus gathers on the day of His coming.

Then in 1 Thess.4:17, Paul spoke of a second group of saints that Jesus will gather on that same day, the saints that are still alive on earth, and he said they will be "caught up" to the "air" to Jesus, as He descends to this earth of course. THAT... is the 'rapture' that some refer to, which is a LATIN translation of the Greek word 'harpazo' in the Greek New Testament manuscripts.

So do yourself a favor, go check out what Apostle Paul actually taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 that your pre-trib rapture preachers are not teaching you about. And then look at what Lord Jesus showed just WHEN the future resurrection will be, per John 6:40.

 

[Davy]

In Daniel it says the AOD happens halfway through the trib.
So in no way does that event kick off the trib.
It is halfway INTO THE TRIB that that event happens

Yes, the coming Antichrist/false-Messiah will place the "abomination of desolation" at the middle point of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week".

(By the way, the KJV "one week" really isn't a week in the Hebrew there; it's just a 'seven' in the Hebrew. The KJV translators put that "week" idea there to represent a period of 'seven'. And per the Daniel 9:24 prophecy, that one 'seven' does represent a period of 7 years. But the actual time of the "great tribulation" is with the latter half of that seven. Yet, don't forget that Lord Jesus said He shortened that latter half, for His elect's sake, per Matthew 24. That is what the "five months" stinging of Rev.9 is about, the time Jesus shortened the great trib to).

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes, the coming Antichrist/false-Messiah will place the "abomination of desolation" at the middle point of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week".

(By the way, the KJV "one week" really isn't a week in the Hebrew there; it's just a 'seven' in the Hebrew. The KJV translators put that "week" idea there to represent a period of 'seven'. And per the Daniel 9:24 prophecy, that one 'seven' does represent a period of 7 years. But the actual time of the "great tribulation" is with the latter half of that seven. Yet, don't forget that Lord Jesus said He shortened that latter half, for His elect's sake, per Matthew 24. That is what the "five months" stinging of Rev.9 is about, the time Jesus shortened the great trib to).

Sigh.
It is 70 WEEKS FROM CIRUS DECREE TO THE MILLINIUM.
EVERYBODY KNOW THAT.
"69" IS A POINT OF TIME IN THE 70
"ONE WEEK REMAINING" ...IS THE 7 YR TRIB.
in the middle of the trib the AOD HAPPENS.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I added nothing. You are already telling fibs.

I follow what Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4 about the events of Christ's future coming and gathering of His Church. But YOU... don't even know what Paul taught there, otherwise you wouldn't be saying the rubbish that you are saying.

Paul showed when Jesus comes, that the 'asleep' saints, those who already died in Christ, MUST BE FIRST RESURRECTED. And Paul said when Jesus comes, He will bring those asleep saints with Him (1 Thess.4:13-16). That's ONE group of saints that Jesus gathers on the day of His coming.

Then in 1 Thess.4:17, Paul spoke of a second group of saints that Jesus will gather on that same day, the saints that are still alive on earth, and he said they will be "caught up" to the "air" to Jesus, as He descends to this earth of course. THAT... is the 'rapture' that some refer to, which is a LATIN translation of the Greek word 'harpazo' in the Greek New Testament manuscripts.

So do yourself a favor, go check out what Apostle Paul actually taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 that your pre-trib rapture preachers are not teaching you about. And then look at what Lord Jesus showed just WHEN the future resurrection will be, per John 6:40.

Lol
Your "One coming" invention.

Rev 14:14 is the nuke that you, nor any human on the planet, can wiggle out of.
You wanna know why the word meddlers are promised a curse in Revelation?
It is because they sin against God's testimony.
Jesus on a cloud holding a sickle...no matter what you NEED it to be, is still NOT THE SECOND COMING.
NOR CAN IT POSSIBLY BE.
( "one coming" 100% IGNORANT MANS INVENTION)

You and your teachers better heed the warning of tampering with that book.

Even the CLEAR PROMISE OF JESUS to remove his worthy ones out of the trib in the 7 letters is Blatantly changed by your doctrine.
Actually changing a forbidden book with no red flags.

You can tamper with the other books.
But when I respectfully approach revelations, it would be wise of postribbers to just say " I don't know, if Jesus said it, who am I to make him a liar, and disrespect His testimony"

 

[Davy]

Sigh.
It is 70 WEEKS FROM CIRUS DECREE TO THE MILLINIUM.
EVERYBODY KNOW THAT.
"69" IS A POINT OF TIME IN THE 70
"ONE WEEK REMAINING" ...IS THE 7 YR TRIB.
in the middle of the trib the AOD HAPPENS.

Yeah, the 70 weeks will be fulfilled on the day of Christ's future return, which is when His future Millennial reign will begin. I never disagreed to that, so I don't know what you prove by bringing that up.

That 69 weeks is within the 70 weeks period proves what? So is the very 1st week of the Dan.9:24 seventy weeks prophecy, and it was fulfilled a long time ago. So what's your point, because you're not really making sense?

Yes, the 70th week is still remaining, and is for the very end of days. But NO, the tribulation is NOT 7 years. It will be the LATTER HALF of the 7 years of Dan.9:27. And Lord Jesus confirmed that too in Matthew 24:15-21, with the "great tribulation" only starting when the "abomination of desolation" IDOL is setup by the false Messiah in Jerusalem.

Thus your claim that the great tribulation is for 7 years is false.