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[faithhopecharity]

22and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Endures what?
To the end of what?
Will be saved from what?

Grace of Justification is salvation.
Eph 2;8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

To justify is to declare righteous. Justification is an act of God whereby He pronounces a sinner to be righteous because of that sinner’s faith in Christ....ref, Got Questions. Where is Got Questions wrong?

ps 23:3 He restores my soul

supernatural virtue of hope!

Hope is the supernatural virtue by which we firmly trust that God, who is all-powerful and faithful to His promises, will in His mercy give us eternal happiness and the means to obtain it.

no one hopes for that which he already possesses!

Romans 8:24-25

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

the prodigal was lost then found, dead then back to life!

that makes eternal security impossible!

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

22and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Endures what?
To the end of what?
Will be saved from what?

Grace of Justification is salvation.
Eph 2;8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

To justify is to declare righteous. Justification is an act of God whereby He pronounces a sinner to be righteous because of that sinner’s faith in Christ....ref, Got Questions. Where is Got Questions wrong?

faith alone?

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)

Luke 21:19
In your patience possess ye your souls.

Luke 8:15
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Romans 5:3-5

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 and hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

2 Thessalonians 1:4
So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

1 Timothy 6:11
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

2 Timothy 3:10
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

Titus 2:2
That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done they will of God, ye might receive the promise.

James 1:3
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

James 1:4
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

James 5:10
Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

2 Peter 1:6
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (rev 12:17)

thks

 

[CrowCross]

ps 23:3 He restores my soul

supernatural virtue of hope!

Hope is the supernatural virtue by which we firmly trust that God, who is all-powerful and faithful to His promises, will in His mercy give us eternal happiness and the means to obtain it.

no one hopes for that which he already possesses!

Romans 8:24-25

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

the prodigal was lost then found, dead then back to life!

that makes eternal security impossible!

thks

Then I "hope" you're going to make it into heaven....because if you think you have anything to do with your salvation you're going to find out just how wrong you are.

You're faith is faith in what you do rather than what Jesus did.
Your hope become a wish, a desire....rather than a sure thing.
Your charity removes the love of Christ from the gospel and places the love of God as being dependent on what you do or don't do.

 

[CrowCross]

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

 

[faithhopecharity]

I see no contradiction in Eph.
We are not saved by works..but rather produce works as a result of our salvation.

Can you address the following question I asked you previously...
22and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Endures what?
To the end of what?
Will be saved from what?

endures all things

implies love suffering patience

until death

then eternal salvation

thks

more

Salvation in a nutshell!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people,(justification) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Jn 15:4 abide in Christ / Mt 10:22 endures to the end Shall be saved. (Salvation)

(((definition of terms)))

"first we must agree on these terms or we can never attain to an understanding"


The process of salvation!
(any part of the process of salvation can be called salvation or the past tense saved especially the redemption which was accomplished by Christ)

((Redemption))

eph 2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

eph 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

((Justification))

Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, (redemption) much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. (righteousness)

* * * * * * *

{ before justification works? no!
"justification is a free gift"
after justification works? yes }

* * * * * * *

((Union))

Jn 15:5 apart from Christ? nothing!

Phil 4:13 with Christ? all things!

Ps 23:4 Thou art with me...

Isa 53:3 by His stripes (wounds) we are healed.

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

((sanctification))

eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

practice of the virtues: faith, hope, & charity etc.

1 Thessalonians 4:3
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: (impossible without works) mt 26:41 watch & pray / heb 12:4 James 4:7 resist / eph 6:10-18 armor of God / Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 suffering

((grace enables good works))

Jn 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

2 cor 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Colossians 1:6
Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

((Perseverance))

Rom 8:13-17 but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 11:22 if thou continue in his goodness:
1 cor 7:24 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:13 (3) three things are eternal; faith, hope and charity and the greatest is charity.
2 thes 1:4 faith & patience
heb 6:12 faith and patience inherit the promises.
Romans 2:7 patience
James 1:4 patience a perfect work
Hebrews 10:36
need of patience
Gal 5:2-4 fallen
Gal 5:25 if we live in the spirit
Col 1:21-23 If ye continue in the faith
Col 2:5 steadfast
2 Tim 2:3 endure hardship
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
1 tim 5:12 lost faith
1 pet 2:20 if we suffer patiently
1 Jn 2:24-28 grace must abide in us
1 Jn 3:6 abideth in Him (Christ)
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Heb 3:4-6 if we hold fast
Heb 6:4-9 if they fall away
Heb 12:7 if ye endure
Heb 12:22-25 if we turn away
James 1:12 endureth


((Perseverance unto death))

mk 13:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 10:22
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

((Judgement))

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment:

((eternal life: grace))
(life & union now)

Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Jn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

2 cor 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; (grace)

1 Jn 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


((eternal life: full eternal salvation in the next life))

mt 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Romans 6:22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.

Hebrews 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

2 pet 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

((Gloification))

Glorification: crowned by God if we suffer with Christ!
(rom 8:17 2 tim 2:12)

 

[CrowCross]

endures all things

implies love suffering patience

until death

then eternal salvation

Have you endured all things? I kinda think you haven't.

 

[faithhopecharity]

Then I "hope" you're going to make it into heaven....because if you think you have anything to do with your salvation you're going to find out just how wrong you are.

You're faith is faith in what you do rather than what Jesus did.
Your hope become a wish, a desire....rather than a sure thing.
Your charity removes the love of Christ from the gospel and places the love of God as being dependent on what you do or don't do.

explain a few verses please

Romans 6:22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.

Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)

for starters

 

[faithhopecharity]

Then I "hope" you're going to make it into heaven....because if you think you have anything to do with your salvation you're going to find out just how wrong you are.

You're faith is faith in what you do rather than what Jesus did.
Your hope become a wish, a desire....rather than a sure thing.
Your charity removes the love of Christ from the gospel and places the love of God as being dependent on what you do or don't do.

if faith is unto salvation what are hope and charity

three are eternal 1 cor 13:13

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

what is this charity that empowers even faith 1 cor 13:2 ...though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, it avails nothing.

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

in that context what is "eternal life"?

thks

 

[Behold]

proof you can be born again, justified, new creation, having passed from death to life, and have your name written in the book of life and still be eternally lost!

You didnt list any of your so called "proof"...........all you did was again state the false claim, that a born again Chrisitan can lose their salvaiton.
This is typical of a Legalist who does not even understand the Grace of God, that is the Cross of Christ.

That's you, @faithhopecharity

rev 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

What kind of religious nut only spends time on Forums, trying to post some verse they hope proves to themselves, that their Salvation can be lost?
Ive no doubt that you @faithhopecharity , are the exact person who should be asked that Question.
Now, Did you ever consider writing a post or a Thread that states your love for the Bible, or for God, or For Christ, instead?
= I do it all the time.........and the way i do it, is to only and always give Jesus full and complete credit for Salvation.
= For saving us and keeping us saved.
See, i spend a lot of time here telling deceived people like you, that fact.

And what i can tell you about your verse, is that you dont know how a person's name originally got into the book of Life, so, you are not going to understand that verse you posted.

And if you now run and "GOOGLE or WIKI" for the answer to that Book of Life Question.......you've wasting your time....

I will tell you this.........and that is.......that John is not talking to the born again, in that verse.....regarding that book and their name.