The Modern Gospel

[Ritajanice]

No. My faith is in God. Not in mankind..

But thanks for trying to tell me what I think again, and being wrong.

I do know who he is. In my heart.

Give me a break Rita.. You have known me for how long. You used to praise me, now because I think you are a little confused about how to be born again, You have to attack me every time I say a word

I have no idea what you mean by human faith is this another calvin trick? I have never heard this term before.

Faith is assurance, it is a trust. Who do you trust. Are you like epi and trust yourself.

or do you trust God?

I deleted my questions to you.

I believe I’m being led to not question you any further.....don’t feel obligated to answer the other questions.

I’m also going to delete my other questions I asked of you.

 

[Ritajanice]

do know who he is. In my heart.

I’m glad to hear that..the rest of my posts to you I deleted..

We know him in our hearts..Praise God!...for that revelation.

Feel free to question me.

 

[ChristisGod]

Hebrews 4:12 (ESV):
"For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart."

Context:
In Hebrews 4:12, the author emphasizes that the word of God is not merely a collection of writings but is alive and active. It is described as sharp, capable of discerning and penetrating to the deepest parts of a person—soul, spirit, joints, marrow, thoughts, and intentions. This passage underscores the transformative power and spiritual efficacy of God's word, highlighting its ability to convict, guide, and bring about change in the lives of believers.

This verse affirms that while the Bible is indeed the inspired word of God, it is also dynamically alive and actively at work in the lives of those who engage with it through the guidance and illumination of the Holy Spirit.

probably missed this verse.

Another cut n paste claiming it’s you which is plagiarism

 

[Ritajanice]

8“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,

neither are your ways My ways,”

declares the LORD.
9“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,

so My ways are higher than your ways

and My thoughts than your thoughts.

10For just as rain and snow fall from heaven

and do not return without watering the earth,

making it bud and sprout,

and providing seed to sow and food to eat,

11so My word that proceeds from My mouth

will not return to Me empty,

but it will accomplish what I please,

and it will prosper where I send it.

 

[Ritajanice]

Gods Spirit is a Living Spirit which is Alive and Active in us...only he has the power to do the will of the Father through us.

We are empty useless vessels without His Spirit..

Therefore are completely reliant on him to bring us to Gods truth.

Psalm 150:1-6Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power. Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness. Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.

 

[Lizbeth]

Listen Sis, I went by Gods written word. and I posted his word.

1 Corinthians 12:3New King James Version (NKJV) Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

It depends what you mean by Born Again Sis...not all who say they are Born Of The Spirit are.

In fact none of us can prove we are Born Again..that’s why we are called to test the spirits.

Posted His word....yes, it's just that it isn't the only thing scripture has to say about being born again. Don't stop there.....we need to quote quite a few more verses than just the ones you are presently quoting. You are only looking at one facet of the truth there.

 

[Johann]

Posted His word....yes, it's just that it isn't the only thing scripture has to say about being born again. Don't stop there.....we need to quote quite a few more verses than just the ones you are presently quoting. You are only looking at one facet of the truth there.

She is not willing to accept scriptures from me-
John 3:3-7:

Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
“How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’"
1 Peter 1:3:

"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."
1 Peter 1:23:

"For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God."
2 Corinthians 5:17:

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!"
Titus 3:5:

"He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit."
James 1:18:

"He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created."
1 John 3:9:

"No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God."
1 John 5:1:

"Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well."
1 John 5:4:

"For everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith."
1 John 5:18:

"We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them."
John 1:12-13:

"Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God."
These passages emphasize that being born again is a transformative experience initiated by God through faith in Jesus Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit, resulting in a new spiritual life and identity as a child of God.

Romans 6:3-4:

"Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life."
Romans 8:9-11:

"You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you."
2 Corinthians 5:17:

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!"
Galatians 2:20:

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."
Galatians 6:15:

"Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation."
Ephesians 2:4-5:

"But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved."
Ephesians 4:22-24:

"You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness."
Colossians 2:12-13:

"Having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins."
Colossians 3:9-10:

"Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator."
Titus 3:5:

"He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit."
These passages from Paul's letters highlight the theme of spiritual rebirth and the transformation that occurs when one becomes a follower of Christ. Paul emphasizes that this new life is characterized by a departure from the old self and an adoption of a new identity in Christ, empowered and sustained by the Holy Spirit.

Too much "commentary" and extra biblical resources.
J.

 

[Lizbeth]

Gods Spirit is a Living Spirit which is Alive and Active in us

Thought you knew.....the bible says God's WORD is alive and active.

Heb 4:12
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

What word? The scriptures, both warnings and good news that they proclaim as you will see by reading from the beginning of that chapter.

 

[Ritajanice]

Posted His word....yes, it's just that it isn't the only thing scripture has to say about being born again. Don't stop there.....we need to quote quite a few more verses than just the ones you are presently quoting. You are only looking at one facet of the truth there.

I don’t think I said it was Lizbeth..

No, I don’t agree with what you say,.i am led through scripture by the Spirit and only he can bring it to my understanding in my spirit.

I’ve alre explained how we are Born Again one way and one way only..by the Spirit Of God.

 

[Ritajanice]

Thought you knew.....the bible says God's WORD is alive and active.

Heb 4:12
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

What word? The scriptures, both warnings and good news that they proclaim as you will see by reading from the beginning of that chapter.

The word of God is a Living word Lizbeth?

What Living word/ Gods witness made your spirit Born Again?

The scripture are not Alive in the Spirit.

They are inspired words written by men under the influence of the Spirit.

Do you understand that Gods Witness is a Living Witness Lizbeth?

You don’t need a Bible to know that, as Gods Living Witness it is he who makes our spirit Born Again?

You know that right?

The Living witness Gods Holy Spirit backs up the written word?...yes?

 

[Johann]

I don’t think I said it was Lizbeth..

No, I don’t agree with what you say,.i am led through scripture by the Spirit and only he can bring it to my understanding in my spirit.

I’ve alre explained how we are Born Again one way and one way only..by the Spirit Of God.

1 Peter 1:23: "since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;"

James 1:18: "Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

John 3:5: "Jesus answered, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.'"

Romans 10:17: "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ."

Ephesians 5:26: "that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,"

These verses emphasize that spiritual rebirth, or being born again, is connected to the Word of God, which is living and effective in bringing about this transformation in a person's life.

 

[Ritajanice]

1 Peter 1:23: "since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;"

James 1:18: "Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

John 3:5: "Jesus answered, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.'"

Romans 10:17: "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ."

Ephesians 5:26: "that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,"

These verses emphasize that spiritual rebirth, or being born again, is connected to the Word of God, which is living and effective in bringing about this transformation in a person's life.

Romans 8

King James Version

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[ChristisGod]

1 Peter 1:23: "since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;"

James 1:18: "Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

John 3:5: "Jesus answered, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.'"

Romans 10:17: "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ."

Ephesians 5:26: "that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,"

These verses emphasize that spiritual rebirth, or being born again, is connected to the Word of God, which is living and effective in bringing about this transformation in a person's life.

Does the new birth precede faith or come after ?

Now your tulip doctrine will be revealed

 

[Ritajanice]

1 Peter 1:23: "since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God

Which means what Johan?

Whose imperishable seed have you been Born Again of?

And how would you know that you have been Born Again of imperishable seed?

Very easy question to Answer?

Where does this imperishable seed liveth and abideth forever. @Johann ?

 

[Ritajanice]

i bet you any money you like @Johann will google my question and post a Commentary of someone else’s knowledge of my question..I just know it..lol.

 

[Johann]

Which means what Johan?

Whose imperishable seed have you been Born Again of?

And how would you know that you have been Born Again of imperishable seed?

Very easy question to Answer?

I've addressed all your inquiries, yet you've disregarded my responses, citing a lack of 'resonance' with your spirit and accusing me of relying on extra-biblical resources and commentaries. In Christ Jesus, I know my identity, for in Him I live, move, and exist. Scripture is akin to a diamond, and daily, I marvel at its multifaceted brilliance as the Holy Spirit reveals new facets to me.
J.

 

[ChristisGod]

Does the new birth precede faith or come after ?

Now your tulip doctrine will be revealed

@Johann are you going to answer or dodge the question?

 

[Ritajanice]

I've addressed all your inquiries, yet you've disregarded my responses, citing a lack of 'resonance' with your spirit and accusing me of relying on extra-biblical resources and commentaries. In Christ Jesus, I know my identity, for in Him I live, move, and exist. Scripture is akin to a diamond, and daily, I marvel at its multifaceted brilliance as the Holy Spirit reveals new facets to me.
J.

There you go..posting all this scripture, then when questioned he comes up with the above excuse..

No answer to my question...

The imperishable seed is the Living Holy Spirit @Johann ..

The Holy Spirit is the imperishable seed in 1 Peter 1:23, by which we were born again. And Peter's point there was, when the imperishable Spirit enters us, he brings this conviction: “'All flesh is like grass and all its glory like the flower of grass.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Johann are you going to answer or dodge the question?

He certainly dodged my question...I was waiting for a commentary..lol.

 

[Johann]

There you go..posting all this scripture, then when questioned he comes up with the above excuse..

No answer to my question...

The imperishable seed is the Living Holy Spirit @Johann ..

You are still a babe, solid meat is not for you and you need to be fed, spoon fed.
You can't rightly cutting straight the word of God, you need others to do it for you.
Big difference between a surface swimmer and those who dive deep.