The Modern Gospel

[Hepzibah]

Doesn't matter, what do YOU say as it stands written in Scriptures?
@Hepzibah

I agree with the early church - of course.

 

[ChristisGod]

A lot to go through but for now, I will just say that this belief is incorrect and Pelagius did say that grace is required. He was deemed a heretic because of the efforts of Augustine but later exonerated. I will post an articel I wrote about the dispute between Augustine and Pelagius.

"The person who opened the church door wide too all sorts of error was the Bishop of North Africa, Augustine of Hippo as he departed from the early church teachings on a number of issues and has been one of the greatest influences on the church since, both Catholic and Protestant. Luther and Calvin were the other two, both agreeing with Augustine.

The most significant was his departure from the Free Will doctrine from all the early church fathers to the Deterministic theology of Gnosticism.

“Men are possessed with free will, and endowed with the faculty of making a choice. It is not true, therefore, that some are by nature good, and others bad.” (Irenaeus Against Heresies Book IV, Chapter XXXVII)

“…those ancient writers, in general, say that Manichaeans denied free-will. The reason is, that the Fathers believed, and maintained, against the Manichaeans, that whatever state man is in he has the command over his own actions, and has equally power to do good or evil.” (Beausobre, The Christian Examiner, Volume One, Publishded by James Miller, 1824, Edition, p. 70)

Lyman Beecher said, “…the free will and natural ability of man were held by the whole church… natural inability was to that of the pagan philosophers, the Gnostic’s, and the Manichaeans.” (Lyman Beecher, Views in Theology, Published by Truman and Smith, 1836 Edition, p. 56)

“No reward can be justly bestowed, no punishment can be justly inflicted, upon him who is good or bad by necessity, and not by his own choice.” Tertullian (Doctrine of the Will by Asa Mahan p. 61, Published by Truth in Heart)

Ignatius was another figure in the Early Church. He was a disciple of the Apostle John and was martyred in the Roman Coliseum by being eaten by lions.

“If anyone is truly religious, he is a man of God; but if he is irreligious, he is a man of the devil, made such, not by nature, but by his own choice. …there is set before us life upon our observance [of God’s precepts], but death as the result of disobedience, and every one, according to the choice he makes, shall go to his own place, let us flee from death, and make choice of life.” Ignatius (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians Chap 5, Long Version).

“It was not until the fourth century that Gnostic and Manichaean influence started to infiltrate the Christian Church, polluting it with their doctrines. Augustine, after saturating himself in Gnostic philosophy for many years, joined the Church and became a Bishop. He then began to contradict what the Church had always taught on human nature and the freedom of man’s will and taught in accordance with the Gnostic views of human nature and free will. The Church, through the influence of Augustine, began to embrace and teach the doctrine of natural inability.​

It is an undisputed and known fact of history, admitted by Augustine’s admirers and supporters in their historical accounts of his life, that Augustine was influenced by, and a member of, the Manichaean Gnostic sect. John K. Ryan, in his introduction to “The Confessions of Saint Augustine” said, “The two great intellectual influences upon Augustine prior to his conversion were Manicheism and Greek Philosophy.” (John K. Ryan The Confessions of Saint Augustine, Random House, Inc., 1960, p. 23)

In their introduction to “The Confessions of Augustine,” John Gibb and William Montgomery said, “In the same year in which he read the Scriptures and was disappointed in them, Augustine joined the Manichaean sect…” (John Gibb and William Montgomery ‘The Confessions of Augustine,’ University Press, 1908,).

They also said, “For nearly nine years Augustine was a Manichaean Auditor. At first he was a zealous partisan who contended publicly for his new faith, and did not hesitate to ridicule the doctrines of the Church and especially the Old Testament Scriptures…” (John Gibb and William Montgomery (The Confessions of Augustine, University Press, 1908, p. xxxii)

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Correct he doesn’t even know what Pelagius taught since he believed in Grace. Augustine made him his scapegoat. Free will was mainstream until Augustine.

 

[Johann]

I agree with the early church - of course.

Upon our being reborn;born from above, did our freewill played a role?

 

[Episkopos]

Are you suggesting that personal experiences and divine invitations are normative for you, and that you criticize those who rely solely on scripture without such experiences or visitations?

No, quite the opposite. What you are suggesting is that it is wrong to experience what we read about in the bible. All I'm saying is that the bible points the way...but the Spirit gives life...just like it says in the bible. :)

Scripture emphasizes the importance and sufficiency of God's Word. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 states, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." This passage highlights that Scripture alone is sufficient for equipping believers for all aspects of their faith and practice.

This is back-filling what a saint already has...an eternal life in holiness...with what the Old Testament brings to us in understanding the ways of God in the larger picture. Like the difference between the Tsadik, the Chasid and the the Kadosh....or else the 3 kinds of sin...etc...

Furthermore, the apostle Paul warns against relying too heavily on subjective experiences in Galatians 1:8, where he says, "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!" This suggests that the message of the gospel, as revealed in Scripture, should take precedence over any personal experiences or purported divine visitations.

To be sure the spiritual realm has risk involved. I'm not denying that. The holy walk is inward where there can be mixed signals. But the righteous walk is outward. I verify the spirit of something by seeing the fruit of it...the outward manifestation...the righteousness of God. God's ways are righteous as well as holy.

Paradox alert

Christianity is outward in righteousness...humble, loving, merciful, forgiving, kind, gentle...etc..

Christianity is inward in holiness...hidden, exclusive, intimate, secret, sinless, selfless...but also militant and powerful in its effect to those around. A miraculous presence in the world.

In Christ BOTH embrace into one.

 

[Ritajanice]

I do not know what I did to you. But your acting unreasonable.

You should step away for awhile.. I am being serious

Yes, I WAS BORN OF THE SPIRIT.

That whihc is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the spirit is spirit.

I WAS BORN OF THE SPIRIT.

You need to open up and stop being so angry, and trying to refute me at all cost. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever I never said ME. I said I was born of the spirit.

If you don;t like that, thats fine. Just say you do not agree, STOP ATTACKING ME

Agreed

lol. Now you’re enabling him. HE TEACHES LEGALISM, HE REJECTS YOUR GOSPEL 100%

Yes, He sees you finger point to anyone who does not agree with you

This is a chat room. Not everyone will agree, If they d not agree, and share that disagreement, its not finger pointing.

once again, You need to step away. Your anger is out of hand. I am speaking as a brother here

You need to most definitely take your own advice..take a few months away from the forum to reflect on your behaviour all over this forum.. it’s an absolute disgrace the way you continue to speak to members.

That’s all from me, I have nothing more to say on the subject.

Unless I see you teaching false doctrine, then I’ll only be to willing to uncover you and show your error.

 

[Johann]

Christianity is outward in righteousness...humble, loving, merciful, forgiving, kind, gentle...etc..

Christianity is inward in holiness...hidden, exclusive, intimate, secret, sinless, selfless...but also militant and powerful in its effect to those around. A miraculous presence in the world.

Incorrect-this is your gospel, not the gospel of Paul-and you don't impress me with a few words in Hebrew or that of Greek.

 

[Ritajanice]

There you go folks. Being born of the spirit is a bad thing.

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Your being Born Of The Spirit is not Biblical, so yes, it’s false .

You do not look to any cross to become Born Again, that is not how God says we are Born Again.

We are Born Of The Spirit not the cross..

And I ask you again me is not Born Again..so what in you has been brought from death to life?

Quoting scripture doesn’t make your spirit Born Again...how would you know that scripture was Gods word?

This is x5 now I’ve asked you this question?

 

[Episkopos]

Your being Born Of The Spirit is not Biblical, so yes, it’s false .

You do not look to any cross to become Born Again, that is not how God says we are Born Again.

We are Born Of The Spirit not the cross..

...or a religious imagination of the cross. Amen.

 

[Ritajanice]

...or a religious imagination of the cross. Amen.

Exactly!!!..100% agree!!..Amen!!

 

[Episkopos]

Incorrect-this is your gospel, not the gospel of Paul-and you don't impress me with a few words in Hebrew or that of Greek.

Does that mean when you cite Hebrew or Greek you are doing it to impress people?? See, I already knew that. But to explain things from the OT without the Hebrew qualifiers will lead people to confusion...those words I cited are translated willy-nilly whatever way the translators felt like...without differentiating them.

A righteous man...a devout man...a saint? Are these all the same? Well to a superficial understanding...what's the diff?

My gospel is that of both Christ and Paul...it is the gospel of the kingdom...in holiness and power over sin, the flesh and the world. What you surmise is that you are forgiven for believing in an immunity clause for being IN sin you think is being offered by men like Luther.

So you want to school me in humanistic ethics and call that truth?

 

[Hepzibah]

Upon our being reborn;born from above, did our freewill played a role?

@Johann, My view is that God gives every man a chance John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9That was the true Light, which lighteth *every* man that cometh into the world.

He choses the time that every man will be presented with the truth and the response of the man determines his future. If the man does not respond that is it. This was believed by the early Quakers. Man only has to open his heart and he has the will power to do this. The rest is of God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You need to most definitely take your own advice..take a few months away from the forum to reflect on your behaviour all over this forum.. it’s an absolute disgrace the way you continue to speak to members.

That’s all from me, I have nothing more to say on the subject.

Unless I see you teaching false doctrine, then I’ll only be to willing to uncover you and show your error.

Whatever.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Your being Born Of The Spirit is not Biblical, so yes, it’s false .

You do not look to any cross to become Born Again, that is not how God says we are Born Again.

We are Born Of The Spirit not the cross..

And I ask you again me is not Born Again..so what in you has been brought from death to life?

Quoting scripture doesn’t make your spirit Born Again...how would you know that scripture was Gods word?

This is x5 now I’ve asked you this question?

Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen

The written word supports itself and I trust it

Evidently you do not and that fine.

 

[Ritajanice]

Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen

The written word supports itself and I trust it

Evidently you do not and that fine.

So please tell us all.

Who and how are you led through the written word?

Your faith is dead faith..you need God’s faith gifted to you.

How can you trust the written word?

How do you even know that’s it’s true?

How many times have I asked you these questions to no avail?

 

[Johann]

This is x5 now I’ve asked you this question?

John 3:3-7 (KJV)
Text: "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again (γεννηθῇ ἄνωθεν), he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
Text: "Being born again (ἀναγεγεννημένοι), not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV)
Text: "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
Text: "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration (παλινγενεσίας), and renewing of the Holy Ghost."

1 John 3:9 (KJV)
Text: "Whosoever is born of God (γεγεννημένος ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ) doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

Greek, Morphology, and Syntax Analysis
John 3:3-7 (γεννηθῇ ἄνωθεν):

The Greek term "γεννηθῇ" (gennēthē) is an aorist passive subjunctive form of "γεννάω" (gennaō), meaning "to be born." "ἄνωθεν" (anōthen) can mean "again" or "from above." In this context, Jesus emphasizes a spiritual rebirth from above.
1 Peter 1:23 (ἀναγεγεννημένοι):

The term "ἀναγεγεννημένοι" (anagegennēmenoi) is a perfect passive participle, indicating a completed action with ongoing effects, referring to being born again through the incorruptible word of God.
2 Corinthians 5:17:

While the specific term for "born again" is not used, the concept of becoming a "new creature" (καινὴ κτίσις) aligns with the idea of a spiritual rebirth. The old life is transformed into a new one.
Titus 3:5 (παλινγενεσίας):

The Greek term "παλινγενεσίας" (palingenesias) combines "palin" (again) and "genesis" (birth), indicating a new beginning or regeneration through the Holy Spirit.
1 John 3:9 (γεγεννημένος ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ):

The perfect passive participle "γεγεννημένος" (gegennēmenos) means "having been born," signifying a completed action with ongoing results. This passage highlights the transformation and enduring nature of being born of God.
Summary
These verses from the King James Version emphasize the transformative nature of being "born again," a spiritual rebirth initiated by God and resulting in a new creation. The Greek terms used in the New Testament passages illustrate the passive, divine action in this process, reinforcing that it is not through human effort but through God's grace and the work of the Holy Spirit.
John 1:12-13 (KJV)
Text: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born (ἐγεννήθησαν), not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Romans 6:4 (KJV)
Text: "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

Galatians 6:15 (KJV)
Text: "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature."

Ephesians 2:4-5 (KJV)
Text: "But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)"

James 1:18 (KJV)
Text: "Of his own will begat he us (ἀπεκύησεν) with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

Greek, Morphology, and Syntax Analysis
John 1:12-13 (ἐγεννήθησαν):

The term "ἐγεννήθησαν" (egennēthēsan) is the aorist passive indicative form of "γεννάω" (gennaō), meaning "to be born." This passage emphasizes that those who receive Christ are born of God, highlighting divine initiation.
Romans 6:4:

While it does not use the specific term for being "born again," the phrase "walk in newness of life" indicates the transformation and renewal that occurs through baptism into Christ's death and resurrection.
Galatians 6:15:

The phrase "a new creature" (καινὴ κτίσις) emphasizes the transformation that comes from being in Christ, aligning with the concept of spiritual rebirth.
Ephesians 2:4-5:

The phrase "hath quickened us together with Christ" (συνεζωοποίησεν) uses the aorist indicative active form of "συζωοποιέω" (syzōopoieō), meaning "to make alive together with." This highlights the spiritual renewal and life given by God's grace.
James 1:18 (ἀπεκύησεν):

The term "ἀπεκύησεν" (apekyēsen) is the aorist active indicative form of "ἀποκυέω" (apokyēō), meaning "to give birth to." This passage indicates that believers are born through the word of truth, emphasizing divine action in the spiritual birth.
Summary
These additional references from the King James Version further emphasize the concept of spiritual rebirth and renewal. Each passage highlights the transformative nature of being "born of God," becoming a "new creature," and walking in "newness of life." The Greek terms used in these scriptures reinforce the idea that this rebirth is initiated and accomplished by God's grace and power, not by human effort.

John 1:12-13 (KJV)​

Text: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born (ἐγεννήθησαν), not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Romans 6:4 (KJV)​

Text: "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

Galatians 6:15 (KJV)​

Text: "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature."

Ephesians 2:4-5 (KJV)​

Text: "But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)"

James 1:18 (KJV)​

Text: "Of his own will begat he us (ἀπεκύησεν) with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

Greek, Morphology, and Syntax Analysis​

1. John 1:12-13 (ἐγεννήθησαν):The term "ἐγεννήθησαν" (egennēthēsan) is the aorist passive indicative form of "γεννάω" (gennaō), meaning "to be born." This passage emphasizes that those who receive Christ are born of God, highlighting divine initiation.
2. Romans 6:4:While it does not use the specific term for being "born again," the phrase "walk in newness of life" indicates the transformation and renewal that occurs through baptism into Christ's death and resurrection.
3. Galatians 6:15:The phrase "a new creature" (καινὴ κτίσις) emphasizes the transformation that comes from being in Christ, aligning with the concept of spiritual rebirth.
4. Ephesians 2:4-5:The phrase "hath quickened us together with Christ" (συνεζωοποίησεν) uses the aorist indicative active form of "συζωοποιέω" (syzōopoieō), meaning "to make alive together with." This highlights the spiritual renewal and life given by God's grace.
5. James 1:18 (ἀπεκύησεν):The term "ἀπεκύησεν" (apekyēsen) is the aorist active indicative form of "ἀποκυέω" (apokyēō), meaning "to give birth to." This passage indicates that believers are born through the word of truth, emphasizing divine action in the spiritual birth.

Summary​

These additional references from the King James Version further emphasize the concept of spiritual rebirth and renewal. Each passage highlights the transformative nature of being "born of God," becoming a "new creature," and walking in "newness of life." The Greek terms used in these scriptures reinforce the idea that this rebirth is initiated and accomplished by God's grace and power, not by human effort.

Does this resonate with your spirit?

 

[Ritajanice]

John 3:3-7 (KJV)
Text: "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again (γεννηθῇ ἄνωθεν), he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
Text: "Being born again (ἀναγεγεννημένοι), not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV)
Text: "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
Text: "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration (παλινγενεσίας), and renewing of the Holy Ghost."

1 John 3:9 (KJV)
Text: "Whosoever is born of God (γεγεννημένος ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ) doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

Greek, Morphology, and Syntax Analysis
John 3:3-7 (γεννηθῇ ἄνωθεν):

The Greek term "γεννηθῇ" (gennēthē) is an aorist passive subjunctive form of "γεννάω" (gennaō), meaning "to be born." "ἄνωθεν" (anōthen) can mean "again" or "from above." In this context, Jesus emphasizes a spiritual rebirth from above.
1 Peter 1:23 (ἀναγεγεννημένοι):

The term "ἀναγεγεννημένοι" (anagegennēmenoi) is a perfect passive participle, indicating a completed action with ongoing effects, referring to being born again through the incorruptible word of God.
2 Corinthians 5:17:

While the specific term for "born again" is not used, the concept of becoming a "new creature" (καινὴ κτίσις) aligns with the idea of a spiritual rebirth. The old life is transformed into a new one.
Titus 3:5 (παλινγενεσίας):

The Greek term "παλινγενεσίας" (palingenesias) combines "palin" (again) and "genesis" (birth), indicating a new beginning or regeneration through the Holy Spirit.
1 John 3:9 (γεγεννημένος ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ):

The perfect passive participle "γεγεννημένος" (gegennēmenos) means "having been born," signifying a completed action with ongoing results. This passage highlights the transformation and enduring nature of being born of God.
Summary
These verses from the King James Version emphasize the transformative nature of being "born again," a spiritual rebirth initiated by God and resulting in a new creation. The Greek terms used in the New Testament passages illustrate the passive, divine action in this process, reinforcing that it is not through human effort but through God's grace and the work of the Holy Spirit.
John 1:12-13 (KJV)
Text: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born (ἐγεννήθησαν), not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Romans 6:4 (KJV)
Text: "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

Galatians 6:15 (KJV)
Text: "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature."

Ephesians 2:4-5 (KJV)
Text: "But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)"

James 1:18 (KJV)
Text: "Of his own will begat he us (ἀπεκύησεν) with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

Greek, Morphology, and Syntax Analysis
John 1:12-13 (ἐγεννήθησαν):

The term "ἐγεννήθησαν" (egennēthēsan) is the aorist passive indicative form of "γεννάω" (gennaō), meaning "to be born." This passage emphasizes that those who receive Christ are born of God, highlighting divine initiation.
Romans 6:4:

While it does not use the specific term for being "born again," the phrase "walk in newness of life" indicates the transformation and renewal that occurs through baptism into Christ's death and resurrection.
Galatians 6:15:

The phrase "a new creature" (καινὴ κτίσις) emphasizes the transformation that comes from being in Christ, aligning with the concept of spiritual rebirth.
Ephesians 2:4-5:

The phrase "hath quickened us together with Christ" (συνεζωοποίησεν) uses the aorist indicative active form of "συζωοποιέω" (syzōopoieō), meaning "to make alive together with." This highlights the spiritual renewal and life given by God's grace.
James 1:18 (ἀπεκύησεν):

The term "ἀπεκύησεν" (apekyēsen) is the aorist active indicative form of "ἀποκυέω" (apokyēō), meaning "to give birth to." This passage indicates that believers are born through the word of truth, emphasizing divine action in the spiritual birth.
Summary
These additional references from the King James Version further emphasize the concept of spiritual rebirth and renewal. Each passage highlights the transformative nature of being "born of God," becoming a "new creature," and walking in "newness of life." The Greek terms used in these scriptures reinforce the idea that this rebirth is initiated and accomplished by God's grace and power, not by human effort.

John 1:12-13 (KJV)​

Text: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born (ἐγεννήθησαν), not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Romans 6:4 (KJV)​

Text: "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

Galatians 6:15 (KJV)​

Text: "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature."

Ephesians 2:4-5 (KJV)​

Text: "But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)"

James 1:18 (KJV)​

Text: "Of his own will begat he us (ἀπεκύησεν) with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

Greek, Morphology, and Syntax Analysis​

1. John 1:12-13 (ἐγεννήθησαν):
   • The term "ἐγεννήθησαν" (egennēthēsan) is the aorist passive indicative form of "γεννάω" (gennaō), meaning "to be born." This passage emphasizes that those who receive Christ are born of God, highlighting divine initiation.
2. Romans 6:4:
   • While it does not use the specific term for being "born again," the phrase "walk in newness of life" indicates the transformation and renewal that occurs through baptism into Christ's death and resurrection.
3. Galatians 6:15:
   • The phrase "a new creature" (καινὴ κτίσις) emphasizes the transformation that comes from being in Christ, aligning with the concept of spiritual rebirth.
4. Ephesians 2:4-5:
   • The phrase "hath quickened us together with Christ" (συνεζωοποίησεν) uses the aorist indicative active form of "συζωοποιέω" (syzōopoieō), meaning "to make alive together with." This highlights the spiritual renewal and life given by God's grace.
5. James 1:18 (ἀπεκύησεν):
   • The term "ἀπεκύησεν" (apekyēsen) is the aorist active indicative form of "ἀποκυέω" (apokyēō), meaning "to give birth to." This passage indicates that believers are born through the word of truth, emphasizing divine action in the spiritual birth.

Summary​

These additional references from the King James Version further emphasize the concept of spiritual rebirth and renewal. Each passage highlights the transformative nature of being "born of God," becoming a "new creature," and walking in "newness of life." The Greek terms used in these scriptures reinforce the idea that this rebirth is initiated and accomplished by God's grace and power, not by human effort.

Does this resonate with your spirit?

Johan, let me know when your spirit has been Born Again.

You certainly wouldn’t need all these commentaries and scripture that you keep quoting..

Your spirit needs to be Born Again...not your intellect..you are the one who is working for your salvation.

I wish you well though and pray that you receive heart revelation...at the moment from reading your posts your only receiving intellectual knowledge from other people’s work and quoting scripture which needs to be understood in your spirit...as of yet I see you are only understanding in your own human intellect.

 

[Johann]

So please tell us all.

Who and how are you led through the written word?

Your faith is dead faith..you need God’s faith gifted to you.

How can you trust the written?

How do you even know that’s it’s true?

Who and how are you led through the written word?
Believers are led through the written word by the Holy Spirit. The Bible, being God’s inspired word, serves as the primary means through which God communicates His will, teachings, and guidance.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV): "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."

John 16:13 (KJV): "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

Psalm 119:105 (KJV): "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path."

Your faith is dead faith.. you need God’s faith gifted to you.
The Bible teaches that true faith is a gift from God and that it is living and active. Genuine faith produces good works and spiritual fruit as evidence of a transformed life.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV): "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

James 2:17 (KJV): "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV): "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

How can you trust the written?
The Bible is trustworthy because it is inspired by God, who is truth. The historical accuracy, prophetic fulfillment, and transformative power of Scripture further testify to its reliability.

2 Peter 1:20-21 (KJV): "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

Psalm 19:7 (KJV): "The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple."

John 17:17 (KJV): "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

How do you even know that it’s true?
The truth of Scripture is affirmed by its internal consistency, historical corroboration, fulfilled prophecies, and the life-changing power it demonstrates in the lives of believers.

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV): "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."

Isaiah 55:11 (KJV): "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it."

Hebrews 4:12 (KJV): "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."


So @Ritajanice , Christians are led through the written word by the Holy Spirit, faith is a gift from God that is evidenced by good works, the Bible is trustworthy and true because it is inspired by God, and its truth is affirmed by its internal and external evidence, including its transformative impact on lives.

J.

 

[Ritajanice]

Evidently you do not and that fine.

Evidently you bear false witness.

Now show where I have said Gods written word isn’t true.?

 

[Ritajanice]

Who and how are you led through the written word?
Believers are led through the written word by the Holy Spirit. The Bible, being God’s inspired word, serves as the primary means through which God communicates His will, teachings, and guidance.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV): "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."

John 16:13 (KJV): "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

Psalm 119:105 (KJV): "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path."

Your faith is dead faith.. you need God’s faith gifted to you.
The Bible teaches that true faith is a gift from God and that it is living and active. Genuine faith produces good works and spiritual fruit as evidence of a transformed life.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV): "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

James 2:17 (KJV): "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV): "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

How can you trust the written?
The Bible is trustworthy because it is inspired by God, who is truth. The historical accuracy, prophetic fulfillment, and transformative power of Scripture further testify to its reliability.

2 Peter 1:20-21 (KJV): "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

Psalm 19:7 (KJV): "The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple."

John 17:17 (KJV): "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

How do you even know that it’s true?
The truth of Scripture is affirmed by its internal consistency, historical corroboration, fulfilled prophecies, and the life-changing power it demonstrates in the lives of believers.

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV): "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."

Isaiah 55:11 (KJV): "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it."

Hebrews 4:12 (KJV): "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."


So @Ritajanice , Christians are led through the written word by the Holy Spirit, faith is a gift from God that is evidenced by good works, the Bible is trustworthy and true because it is inspired by God, and its truth is affirmed by its internal and external evidence, including its transformative impact on lives.

J.

Yes I have already explained how I am led through the written word johann.

Unlike you I don’t need to google and post other people’s commentaries to understand what it means, as I’ve explained you need God’s witness His Living Holy Spirit to witness Gods truth to your heart / spirit..

As I said you only understand in your own human intellect...you need heart/ spirit knowledge...that is where you are lacking imo.

@Johann ..do you understand all that is written in your heart/ spirit?

Has your spirit been Born Of God’s seed?

No wonder you are having a hard job understanding Epi posts..he has a lot of spiritual knowledge..sadly you don’t..only intellectual knowledge in my honest opinion.

Your maturity in Christ is also lacking, imo.you need maturing in the spirit...

Ephesians 4:11-1613 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ

 

[Johann]

Does that mean when you cite Hebrew or Greek you are doing it to impress people?? See, I already knew that. But to explain things from the OT without the Hebrew qualifiers will lead people to confusion...those words I cited are translated willy-nilly whatever way the translators felt like...without differentiating them.

A righteous man...a devout man...a saint? Are these all the same? Well to a superficial understanding...what the diff?

My gospel is that of both Christ and Paul...it is the gospel of the kingdom...in holiness and power over sin, the flesh and the world. What you surmise is that you are forgiven for believing in an immunity clause for being IN sin you think is being offered by men like Luther.

So you want to school me in humanistic ethics and call that truth?

Your gospel is not that of Jesus nor of Paul-but "Mysticism" cross-less and Christ-less-going on experiences and divine visitations and I would go you one better, this is Gnosticism.
Hebrew Terms and Their Differences
Righteous Man:

Hebrew: צַדִּיק (Tzaddik)
Meaning: A person who is righteous, just, or upright. This term implies adherence to God’s laws and moral integrity.
Scriptural Reference: Genesis 6:9 - "These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."
Devout Man:

Hebrew: חָסִיד (Chasid)
Meaning: A person who is pious, devout, or faithful. This term often emphasizes personal devotion and piety, particularly in worship and daily conduct.
Scriptural Reference: Psalm 30:4 - "Sing unto the LORD, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness."
Saint:

Hebrew: קָדוֹשׁ (Kadosh) for "holy" or חֲסִידִים (Chasidim) for "saints"
Meaning: A person who is holy or set apart for God. In a broader sense, it can also refer to the faithful community or God's people who are devoted and sanctified.
Scriptural Reference: Psalm 16:3 - "But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight."
Differences in Meaning
While these terms might seem similar at a superficial level, each has distinct nuances:

צַדִּיק (Tzaddik) - Emphasizes righteousness and justice. A Tzaddik is someone who lives in accordance with God’s commandments, demonstrating moral integrity and ethical behavior.

חָסִיד (Chasid) - Focuses on piety and devotion. A Chasid is not only righteous but also deeply devout, showing a heartfelt commitment to God through personal worship and acts of kindness.

קָדוֹשׁ (Kadosh) / חֲסִידִים (Chasidim) - Highlights holiness and being set apart. Kadosh refers to someone or something that is holy, sacred, and consecrated to God. Chasidim, in this context, refers to the community of the faithful who are devoted to God.

Summary of Differences
Righteous Man (Tzaddik): Focuses on ethical behavior and justice.
Devout Man (Chasid): Emphasizes personal piety, devotion, and loving-kindness.
Saint (Kadosh / Chasidim): Highlights holiness, being set apart for God, and communal faithfulness.
Each term reflects different aspects of a faithful life: righteousness and justice (Tzaddik), personal devotion and piety (Chasid), and holiness and communal faithfulness (Kadosh / Chasidim). These distinctions help to provide a fuller understanding of the diverse ways one can live a life devoted to God in the Hebrew Bible.

Holiness (קָדוֹשׁ, Kadosh)
Leviticus 19:2 (KJV)

Text: "Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy (קְדֹשִׁים, Kedoshim): for I the LORD your God am holy (קָדוֹשׁ, Kadosh)."
Analysis: This verse underscores the command for the Israelites to be holy because God Himself is holy. The term קְדֹשִׁים (Kedoshim) is the plural form, referring to the community of believers.
Isaiah 6:3 (KJV)

Text: "And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy (קָדוֹשׁ, Kadosh) is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory."
Analysis: The repetition of "holy" three times emphasizes the supreme holiness of God. The use of קָדוֹשׁ (Kadosh) highlights God's pure and exalted nature.
Exodus 19:6 (KJV)

Text: "And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation (גּוֹי קָדוֹשׁ, Goy Kadosh). These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."
Analysis: This verse designates Israel as a holy nation, set apart for God's purposes. The term גּוֹי קָדוֹשׁ (Goy Kadosh) emphasizes collective holiness.
Righteousness (צַדִּיק, Tzaddik)
Psalm 1:6 (KJV)

Text: "For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous (צַדִּיקִים, Tzaddikim): but the way of the ungodly shall perish."
Analysis: The term צַדִּיקִים (Tzaddikim) is the plural form of צַדִּיק (Tzaddik), referring to those who live righteously. God is portrayed as knowing and approving their way of life.
Proverbs 10:25 (KJV)

Text: "As the whirlwind passeth, so is the wicked no more: but the righteous (צַדִּיק, Tzaddik) is an everlasting foundation."
Analysis: This verse highlights the enduring stability and foundation provided by a righteous person’s life, in contrast to the transient existence of the wicked.
Genesis 18:23 (KJV)

Text: "And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous (צַדִּיק, Tzaddik) with the wicked?"
Analysis: Abraham's plea to God emphasizes the distinction between the righteous (צַדִּיק, Tzaddik) and the wicked, and the importance of divine justice.
Additional Hebrew Terms and Concepts
חָסִיד (Chasid): Emphasizes piety and devotion.

Psalm 4:3 (KJV): "But know that the LORD hath set apart him that is godly (חָסִיד, Chasid) for himself: the LORD will hear when I call unto him."
יָשָׁר (Yashar): Refers to uprightness and integrity.

Proverbs 11:3 (KJV): "The integrity of the upright (יְשָׁרִים, Yesharim) shall guide them: but the perverseness of transgressors shall destroy them."
Summary
The Hebrew Bible contains a rich vocabulary to describe various aspects of holiness and righteousness. Holiness (קָדוֹשׁ, Kadosh) is often associated with being set apart for God's purposes, and it emphasizes purity and dedication to God. Righteousness (צַדִּיק, Tzaddik) involves ethical behavior, justice, and moral integrity. Additional terms like חָסִיד (Chasid) highlight personal piety, while יָשָׁר (Yashar) emphasizes uprightness and integrity. These terms and concepts collectively provide a deeper understanding of what it means to live a life devoted to God according to the Hebrew Scriptures.

Now we can preach a sermon on this.