The Modern Gospel

[ChristisGod]

He certainly dodged my question...I was waiting for a commentary..lol.

Here is the biblical order it you are interested as the Calvinist reverses the order.

Ezekiel 18:30-32
“Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!


Notice what comes first


1- Repent , turn away from sin
2- the after you repent you get a new heart/spirit
3- repent then you live, have life- ie new heart, spirit.


John has the same order in in his opening of the gospel and in his purpose statement for writing his gospel.


John 1:12-13
“Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Same order as above receive, believe, call on Him then the new birth follows. See also John 5:24;40


John 20:31
“But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Once again the order is consistent with the OT- belief/repentance precedes life.

Romans 10:8-13
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Again above we see its hearing the gospel, believing the message , confessing then calling upon the Lord results in salvation.

Acts tells us the same order in Acts 11:18- "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life.” Repent precedes life.

Paul confirms the order in Ephesians below as well. Hearing and believing precedes the Holy Spirit that we were sealed with not before belief.

Ephesians 1:13
“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit

James and Peter have the same exact order in James 1:18 , 1 Peter 1:23.

See how scripture is consistent when you do not read your doctrine into it but read it objectively, without bias ?

conclusion: as we read in these SALVIFIC passages there is a consistent order.


1- hearing the word, the gospel
2- believing the gospel
3- receiving the gospel
4- calling upon the Lord
5- confessing Jesus is Lord
6- resulting in the new birth, born of God, salvation, eternal life

The Biblical Order Salutis

Summary of The Biblical order- notice where new life, regeneration is on the list from Scripture.

1- the preaching of the gospel- Rom 10
2- the hearing of the gospel- Rom 10
3- belief in the gospel- John 1:12
4- receiving the gospel- John 1:12
5- repentance Luke 5:32
6- the new birth that results in #7
7- salvation, eternal life- John 1:13
8- Justification- Rom 8:30
9- Sanctification- Rom 8
10- Glorification Rom 8:30

 

[Ritajanice]

You are still a babe, solid meat is not for you and you need to be fed, spoon fed.
You can't rightly cutting straight the word of God, you need others to do it for you.
Big difference between a surface swimmer and those who dive deep.

All that I post is from God’s witness His Living Holy Spirit.

I’m sure i also post in error at times.

Your post above is very immature Johann....as I’ve already said I pray the God truly opens your heart/ spirit to mature in the spirit.

The above I see as school play ground behaviour ...

between a surface swimmer and those who dive deep

Praying you dive deep into your heart.

 

[ChristisGod]

You are still a babe, solid meat is not for you and you need to be fed, spoon fed.
You can't rightly cutting straight the word of God, you need others to do it for you.
Big difference between a surface swimmer and those who dive deep.

You are projecting again a babe ( like you ) needs commentaries and doesn’t know how to feed himself with Gods word. You are spoon fed through the works of others.

 

[Ritajanice]

You are projecting again a babe ( like you ) needs commentaries and doesn’t know how to feed himself with Gods word. You are spoon fed through the works of others.

Bless His Heart Brother....God Bless you Johann.

 

[Johann]

You are projecting again a babe ( like you ) needs commentaries and doesn’t know how to feed himself with Gods word. You are spoon fed through the works of others.

1 Corinthians 5:11-13 (ESV):
"But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. 'Purge the evil person from among you.'"

2 Thessalonians 3:6 (ESV):
"Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us."

2 Thessalonians 3:14-15 (ESV):
"If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother."

Romans 16:17-18 (ESV):
"I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive."

1 Corinthians 15:33 (ESV):
"Do not be deceived: 'Bad company ruins good morals.'"

These passages emphasize the importance of maintaining spiritual purity and avoiding close fellowship with believers who persist in unrepentant sin or who are causing division within the church. The goal is not condemnation but restoration and preservation of the integrity of the church community.

Ephesians 5:11 (ESV):
"Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them."

1 Timothy 6:5 (ESV):
"...and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain."

2 John 1:10-11 (ESV):
"If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works."

Titus 3:10-11 (ESV):
"As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned."

Matthew 18:15-17 (ESV):
"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector."

These verses emphasize the importance of maintaining holiness, avoiding participation in sinful activities, and handling disputes and disagreements within the church community with wisdom and accountability.

--the accuser of the brethren and I have more respect for Epi than you little man.

 

[Lizbeth]

I don’t think I said it was Lizbeth..

No, I don’t agree with what you say,.i am led through scripture by the Spirit and only he can bring it to my understanding in my spirit.

I’ve alre explained how we are Born Again one way and one way only..by the Spirit Of God.

And yet scripture ALSO says it is by His word.

 

[Johann]

And yet scripture ALSO says it is by His word.

I don't know where she gets her illumination from, certainly not from Scriptures.

 

[ChristisGod]

1 Corinthians 5:11-13 (ESV):
"But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. 'Purge the evil person from among you.'"

2 Thessalonians 3:6 (ESV):
"Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us."

2 Thessalonians 3:14-15 (ESV):
"If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother."

Romans 16:17-18 (ESV):
"I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive."

1 Corinthians 15:33 (ESV):
"Do not be deceived: 'Bad company ruins good morals.'"

These passages emphasize the importance of maintaining spiritual purity and avoiding close fellowship with believers who persist in unrepentant sin or who are causing division within the church. The goal is not condemnation but restoration and preservation of the integrity of the church community.

Ephesians 5:11 (ESV):
"Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them."

1 Timothy 6:5 (ESV):
"...and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain."

2 John 1:10-11 (ESV):
"If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works."

Titus 3:10-11 (ESV):
"As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned."

Matthew 18:15-17 (ESV):
"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector."

These verses emphasize the importance of maintaining holiness, avoiding participation in sinful activities, and handling disputes and disagreements within the church community with wisdom and accountability.

--the accuser of the brethren and I have more respect for Epi than you little man.

lol you are the one attacking him not me . You are projecting again and bearing false witness. The scriptures you quoted expose you.

 

[ChristisGod]

I don't know where she gets her illumination from, certainly not from Scriptures.

And you ? Commentaries

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thought you knew.....the bible says God's WORD is alive and active.

Heb 4:12
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

What word? The scriptures, both warnings and good news that they proclaim as you will see by reading from the beginning of that chapter.

Amen

It not only gives us hope. It cuts through the heart when we are wrong..or in sin

 

[Eternally Grateful]

i bet you any money you like @Johann will google my question and post a Commentary of someone else’s knowledge of my question..I just know it..lol.

What a joke.

 

[Ritajanice]

And yet scripture ALSO says it is by His word.

Of course..Gods written word.

Scripture isn’t God now is it?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He certainly dodged my question...I was waiting for a commentary..lol.

We have answered your questions

You are either not paying attention, or you… I do ot know what to say

 

[Ritajanice]

What a joke.

Remember feel free to question me?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Here is the biblical order it you are interested as the Calvinist reverses the order.

Ezekiel 18:30-32
“Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!


Notice what comes first


1- Repent , turn away from sin
2- the after you repent you get a new heart/spirit
3- repent then you live, have life- ie new heart, spirit.


John has the same order in in his opening of the gospel and in his purpose statement for writing his gospel.


John 1:12-13
“Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Same order as above receive, believe, call on Him then the new birth follows. See also John 5:24;40


John 20:31
“But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Once again the order is consistent with the OT- belief/repentance precedes life.

Romans 10:8-13
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Again above we see its hearing the gospel, believing the message , confessing then calling upon the Lord results in salvation.

Acts tells us the same order in Acts 11:18- "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life.” Repent precedes life.

Paul confirms the order in Ephesians below as well. Hearing and believing precedes the Holy Spirit that we were sealed with not before belief.

Ephesians 1:13
“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit

James and Peter have the same exact order in James 1:18 , 1 Peter 1:23.

See how scripture is consistent when you do not read your doctrine into it but read it objectively, without bias ?

conclusion: as we read in these SALVIFIC passages there is a consistent order.


1- hearing the word, the gospel
2- believing the gospel
3- receiving the gospel
4- calling upon the Lord
5- confessing Jesus is Lord
6- resulting in the new birth, born of God, salvation, eternal life

The Biblical Order Salutis

Summary of The Biblical order- notice where new life, regeneration is on the list from Scripture.

1- the preaching of the gospel- Rom 10
2- the hearing of the gospel- Rom 10
3- belief in the gospel- John 1:12
4- receiving the gospel- John 1:12
5- repentance Luke 5:32
6- the new birth that results in #7
7- salvation, eternal life- John 1:13
8- Justification- Rom 8:30
9- Sanctification- Rom 8
10- Glorification Rom 8:30

She is a calvinist..

 

[Ritajanice]

We have answered your questions

You are either not paying attention, or you… I do ot know what to say

No he didn’t..he didn’t know what imperishable seed was.

Same as you, when i asked you what imperishable seed meant months back.

You said imperishable seed was the cross.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

lol you are the one attacking him not me . You are projecting again and bearing false witness. The scriptures you quoted expose you.

You do realise you are saying he is Calvinist when he is not. And praising a calvinist.

I am laughing so hard..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No he didn’t..he didn’t know what imperishable seed was.

yes he does. he just does not agree with you..

Same as you, when i asked you what imperishable seed meant months back.

You said imperishable seed was the cross.

I said the imperishable seed was Christ. And the things that caused the ability for us to be saved was the cross.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Remember feel free to question me?

I am calling you out for how you treat people.

 

[ChristisGod]

She is a calvinist..

And I’m not :)