The mysteries in the Gospels “Who Do You Believe? The Witnessed Words of Jesus or Paul’s Private Vision?”

[Muna]

LoveYeshua wrote

I know paul said also to keep the last six commandments ...

I am supposing you are speaking of this verse (as I count on my six/seven fingers)

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Number six in that one was " and if there be any other commandment,

And number seven there is, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Because when a lawyer asked Jesus he gave two commandments

Matt 2:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Matt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Matt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

Matt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

And said,

Matt 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Now here Jesus gave the guy six commandments when he asked

Mark 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Maybe you meant Jesus gave six commandments?

Love Yeshua continues, "but in many verses, he speaks against the law and commandments."

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

In 2 Peter 3:16 -17 Peter does say that some things in Paul's epistles are hard to be understood, that they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Peter adding (concerning these people) Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

But I think you reject the book of 2 Peter too, so that might not stick.

Off to get a root canal, be back later Lord willing

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus often spoke about the mysteries of the kingdom of God. When the disciples asked why He spoke in parables, He answered, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given” (Matthew 13:11; Mark 4:11; Luke 8:10). These mysteries were not locked away for a few; Jesus used parables to reveal truth to those willing to listen and then explained each one clearly to His disciples in private so that they would understand fully (Mark 4:34). Among these mysteries was the nature of God’s kingdom: it would begin small like a mustard seed yet grow to shelter many (Matthew 13:31–32); it was of such surpassing value that those who truly understood would give up everything to gain it, like finding hidden treasure or a pearl of great price (Matthew 13:44–46); and at the end of the age, there would be a separation between the righteous and the wicked, like a net gathering fish of every kind, keeping the good and casting away the bad (Matthew 13:47–50). He warned that not all who called Him Lord would enter, but only those who do the will of the Father (Matthew 7:21–23).

Jesus emphasized that His teachings were not secret or hidden: “I spoke openly to the world. I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where the Jews always meet; and in secret I have said nothing” (John 18:20). Everything He taught was confirmed by many witnesses—His twelve disciples who were with Him day and night and the crowds who heard His words and saw His works. Another mystery He revealed was that the kingdom would not come with signs that people could point to, for “the kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17:20–21). He said this because many expected an earthly kingdom with visible power, but God’s rule begins inside the hearts of those who believe, repent, and submit to Him. While He was not directly speaking of the Holy Spirit, He later promised that the Spirit of truth would live in His followers, guiding them into all truth and making the reign of God a reality within them (John 14:16–17; John 16:13–15). He also revealed the mystery of His mission as the promised Messiah, the Lamb of God who would lay down His life for the forgiveness of sins (John 1:29; Matthew 26:28), fulfilling what had been written by the prophets. These mysteries were not meant to remain hidden, for He blessed His disciples, saying, “Blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear” (Matthew 13:16–17).

Paul, many years later, also spoke of a “mystery” but in very different terms. He said that his gospel did not come from any man nor was it taught to him, but that it came through a direct revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:12). Unlike Jesus, who taught publicly and with many witnesses, Paul’s claimed revelation had no witnesses and was not confirmed by the apostles who had walked with Jesus or anyone else. Paul described his mystery as “that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel” (Ephesians 3:6; Colossians 1:26–27), that salvation was now offered apart from the works of the law to both Jews and Gentiles. He also called the resurrection of the dead and the transformation of believers “a mystery” (1 Corinthians 15:51–52).

Yet Jesus had already revealed that many from the east and west would sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 8:11; Luke 13:29) and had commanded that the gospel of the kingdom be preached to all nations (Matthew 24:14). He had already shown that true faith was proven by obedience to God’s commandments and by bearing fruit. The mysteries Jesus revealed were witnessed by His disciples, fulfilled by His works, and aligned with the Law and the Prophets. Paul’s mysteries rest solely on his own testimony, with no witnesses to confirm his claims. Because of this, one must be careful and always weigh Paul’s words against the words of Jesus, for Jesus alone declared, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away” (Matthew 24:35). His mysteries are the sure foundation, openly given and confirmed by those who walked with Him.

Both come from God so we need to accept both!

 

[Muna]

Jesus Himself said you cannot “drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord’s table and of the table of demons” (1 Corinthians 10:21)—yet Paul still tells his followers they can eat idol food if they do not ask questions, so long as they think it harmless.

Wasn't it Paul who said the above?

 

[Muna]

I reject all of paul's epistles, he cannot be trusted, said evil things of Christ that i will not repeat here

Can you at least give me the verses?

 

[Muna]

Paul still tells his followers they can eat idol food if they do not ask questions, so long as they think it harmless.

How can you know its idol meat unless you ask? When you go through the drive through, do you ask if your meat on your double cheese burger was sacrificed to an idol?

And just say, you've eaten there all your life and never asked, only to find out at the end of your life every cheese burger you ate had some sort of part in some pagan ritual to a false god? Did it hurt you for not asking?

Could you not say as Abimelech (who knew not the Sarah was Abraham's wife) that in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this?

I kid, but seriously who goes to the market and asks the meat guy which of his cuts wasnt sacrificed to a demon?

Paul said eat it not if someone said to them it was sacrificed to an idol, regardless of whose sake, he did not encourage them to eat it in that case.

Jesus said here (among the Jews) here

Luke 10:8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you

Paul said here (among the Gentiles here)

1Cr 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake

Paul said here (among them which believe not)

1 Cr 10:27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.

But Paul adds

1 Cr 10:28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof: Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?

Not seeing where Paul is encouraging the eating of idol meat

1Cor.8
[4] As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
[5] For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
[6] But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
[7] Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
[8] But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
[9] But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
[10] For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
[11] And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
[12] But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
[13] Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

Same espistle posted earlier (Just the whole)

1Cr 10
[18] Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the alter?
[19] What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
[20] But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
[21] Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
[22] Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
[23] All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
[24] Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.
[25] Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
[26] For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
[27] If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
[28] But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:
[29] Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
[30] For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
[31] Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
[32] Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
[33] Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

 

[Muna]

This is absolute proof that Paul was speaking against God and His laws, and it was a legitimate reason for the Jews to arrest him in Acts, for by teaching people to transgress God’s commandments he placed himself in opposition to the Lord.

No, these were false accusing Jews from Asia

Acts 21:28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.

Even Paul said,

Acts 24:13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.

And again, false accusing Jews from Jerusalem

Acts 25:7 And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove.

Paul again

Acts 25:8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.

Those examining Paul

Acts 36:21 And when they were gone aside, they talked between themselves, saying, This man doeth nothing worthy of death or of bonds.

Acts 36:32 Then said Agrippa unto Festus, This man might have been set at liberty, if he had not appealed unto Caesar.

 

[Muna]

The hired hand is not the shepherd, and the sheep are not his own. When he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf pounces on them and scatters the flock.​

Jhn 10:12 ​

In John 10:12 Jesus warned, “The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.” Paul can be seen in both of these images at different times in his life.

The hired hand (which is NOT the shepherd) would be among the sheep (which sheep are not his) if it is that from within (Such a one is seeing the wolf coming and flees). Thus, leaving the wolf to attack the sheep.

Thats the reason I don't see how the hired hand among the Lords sheep would apply to Paul though.

On the otherhand, Paul (before his conversion) could very easily be considered a wolf in his beginings. Paul being such a one entering in to attack the sheep (Acts 26:10-11). But I do not see how he was a wolf in sheeps clothing in doing that there (because he was not being pretentious about belonging to Christ). In fact, he made it very clear he was attacking those that belong to Jesus name (Acts 26:9)

Here is Paul's own warning about wolves entering in

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Acts 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

Here are the ones within, " And also of your own selves shall men arise"

Acts 20:32 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Which would be to divide, and scatter them, but he does say this

Acts 20:33 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Acts 20:33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.

Just as Jesus said here

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Paul said likwise,

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Before his claimed conversion, as a descendant of Benjamin, he matched the prophecy, “Benjamin is a ravenous wolf; in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil”(Genesis 49:27). Paul hunted the early believers, “breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord”

Yes, before his conversion, Saul of the tribe of Benjamin is going after believers

Acts 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord

(Acts 9:1), scattering the flock by force.

Jesus said they would be persecuted, and upon which they were scattered abroad, and spread the word

Acts 8:4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.

Later, after taking the name of an apostle, he resembled the hired hand because he did not keep the sheep safe by guarding them with the true words of the Shepherd.

See Acts 20:33 in the above

Instead, he taught that the law of God was abolished, nailed to the cross, and no longer binding (Ephesians 2:15, Romans 7:6, Galatians 3:13, Galatians 2:16, Galatians 5:18, Romans 10:4, Galatians 3:24‑25, Colossians 2:14), which opposed Christ, who upheld the law and commanded His followers to keep it (Matthew 5:17‑19, Matthew 19:17, Matthew 22:37‑40, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 24:35, Matthew 7:24). By leaving the foundation of Jesus’ teaching, he left the flock unguarded, and division entered among the believers.

Where is Romans 3:1, Romans 7:7, Romans 7:12, Romans 8:3-4, Romans 10:5, Romans 13:9, Galatians 3:21, Galatians 5:14, 1 Cr 7:19, 1 Timothy 1:9-10, Mat 7:21-23 & 2 Timothy 2:19?

I just had to, I always hate when people leave a bin of verses at me to go fetch the things,

Thus Paul first acted as the wolf who devoured and scattered and later as the hired hand who failed to protect the sheep by standing firmly with the Shepherd’s commands.

People are so Blind or refuse to see.

Ever hear of the sayng, "I was blind, but now I see"?

Try applying that to Paul.

I will answer no more, I an gone.

I am still adding in under your posts, as I sort through the correct context to cut and drag my notes over into this thread.

Be back as time and interest allows Lord willing.

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

Yet Jesus had already revealed that many from the east and west would sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 8:11; Luke 13:29) and had commanded that the gospel of the kingdom be preached to all nations (Matthew 24:14).

True, but nobody budged from Jerusalem until the time of great persecution against the church at Jerusalem.

"And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles." (Acts 8:1)

Even then, the Apostles stayed put in Jerusalem until they heard that the people of Samaria had received the gospel at the mouth of Philip.

"Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:" (Acts 8:14-15)

Furthermore, God needed to prompt Peter to witness in the home of a Gentile by showing him the same vision three times, so, apparently, Peter hadn't yet gotten the message.

"And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean." (Acts 10:28)

Further still, Paul needed to rebuke Peter to his face at Antioch because Peter refused to even eat with the Gentiles when certain Jews from James arrived.

"But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision." (Gal. 2:11-12)

My point?

Just because Jesus personally told his disciples certain things, this does not mean that they immediately grasped or obeyed them. Jesus used Paul as one means to get Peter on track.

 

[LoveYeshua]

True, but nobody budged from Jerusalem until the time of great persecution against the church at Jerusalem.

"And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles." (Acts 8:1)

Even then, the Apostles stayed put in Jerusalem until they heard that the people of Samaria had received the gospel at the mouth of Philip.

"Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:" (Acts 8:14-15)

Furthermore, God needed to prompt Peter to witness in the home of a Gentile by showing him the same vision three times, so, apparently, Peter hadn't yet gotten the message.

"And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean." (Acts 10:28)

Further still, Paul needed to rebuke Peter to his face at Antioch because Peter refused to even eat with the Gentiles when certain Jews from James arrived.

"But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision." (Gal. 2:11-12)

My point?

Just because Jesus personally told his disciples certain things, this does not mean that they immediately grasped or obeyed them. Jesus used Paul as one means to get Peter on track.

Another one that does know scripture but follow the words and fairy tales of Men, here isthe truth of the matter;
Luk 24:25 Then Jesus said to them, “O foolish ones, how slow are your hearts to believe all that the prophets have spoken!

Luk 24:26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and then to enter His glory?”

Luk 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them what was written in all the Scriptures about Himself. you people see what you want and hear what you will to suit your own desires but the truth eludes you.

Luk 24:28 As they approached the village where they were headed, He seemed to be going farther.

Luk 24:29 But they pleaded with Him, “Stay with us, for it is nearly evening and the day is almost over.” So He went in to stay with them.

Luk 24:30 While He was reclining at the table with them, He took bread, spoke a blessing and broke it, and gave it to them.

Luk 24:31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized Jesus—and He disappeared from their sight.

Luk 24:32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us as He spoke with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

Yes they knew everything !!!but it is Jesus that asked them to stay awhile longer with the jews until the time came to go to the gentiles, this was planned all along by GOD!;

• Luke 24:49 (KJV)
  “And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”
• Acts 1:4-5 (KJV)
  “And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”

At one point they did as Jesus asked;

• Matthew 28:19-20 (KJV)
  “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
• Mark 16:15 (KJV)
  “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”
• Acts 1:8 (KJV)
  “But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”

It was not because you think they were ignorant, this was planned and Jesus asked them to wait, they lived and followed Jesus for 3 years witnessed everything they KNEW ALL!

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

Yes they knew everything !!!but it is Jesus that asked them to stay awhile longer with the jews until the time came to go to the gentiles, this was planned all along by GOD!;

• Luke 24:49 (KJV)
  “And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”
• Acts 1:4-5 (KJV)
  “And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”

At one point they did as Jesus asked;

• Matthew 28:19-20 (KJV)
  “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
• Mark 16:15 (KJV)
  “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”
• Acts 1:8 (KJV)
  “But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”

It was not because you think they were ignorant, this was planned and Jesus asked them to wait, they lived and followed Jesus for 3 years witnessed everything they KNEW ALL!

All the verses that I quoted you were in the timeframe AFTER they had tarried in Jerusalem and AFTER Jesus had instructed them in the following manner:

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." (Acts 1:8)

As I correctly stated earlier. nobody budged from Jerusalem until persecution fell upon the church there, so you have refuted nothing.

 

[Behold]

Yes they knew everything !!!

Actually they didnt know everything.

This is one of the reasons that Jesus sent Paul to them, and to us... As Paul is THE "Chosen Vessel" who was called by Jesus, after Jesus was back in Heaven. He called Paul to deliver THE Gospel and all the Church Doctrine.
This is one of the reasons that Paul wrote most of the NT Epistles.

 

[Behold]

• Mark 16:15 (KJV)
  “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”

Let me show you why Mark 16:15-16 is not Paul's Gospel.

Jesus said to "make disciples" and "baptise them".

1.) So, if that is the Gospel, then Jesus never needed to Call Paul to Give us "Paul's Gospel"......later.

2.) Also, Paul's Gospel, is "the preaching of the Cross" and no water baptism is a part of this "Gospel".

3.) Also, Paul's Gospel, is designed not to "make disciples" but to create "Born again Christians".

See you can be a Disciple and not be a Christian, and at one point Jesus told a group of disciples..."depart from me, i never knew you"..

See, to become a CHRISTIAN, is not to be water baptised..........its to become a "Son-Daughter" of God by Spiritual Birth, and that is what Paul's Gospel is designed to cause.

 

[DJT_47]

Paul was separated by the Lord to do his bidding. Paul's message is therefore as inspired as all else's were. If you're suggesting that Paul's message can't be trusted or should be questioned, that's ridiculous.

 

[Behold]

Reader,

Real students of the Bible are taught something very Specific, so that the bible will "open itself" to their spiritual discernment.
When i teach my students, we center our study on this very thing, along with the study of God's Grace...first and foremost.
I teach then to believe the Bible, love the Bible, trust the bible, and get their spiritual power and enlightenment from the Bible.
The Bible is the "sword of the Spirit" and you have to learn how to handle the sword or the devil is going to defeat you, with His deceptions.


Now, Paul teaches the '"Specific " as "Rightly divide" the word of God.

Notices carefully....."Divide"..., as in "divisions"........as in this....

= The Bible is a eternal spiritual book of Light that is the full record and account of God's dealing with mankind.
And to "divide" this "rightly"..... you have to understand that God never changes, but His dealings with mankind changes from Genesis to Revelation.
Thus the "divisons" found in the word of God.
These "divisions" can be thought of as "seasons", as the Bible explains.

So, there are many of these divisions in the word of God, wereby God did something different with Mankind...regarding His Dealing with Man.
The BIBLE is a spiritual book of progressive revelation. It shows you more and more and more.

Notice Reader........ that in the Garden of Eden, you have NO Moses's Law.........so, when Moses Law came, that is a division that separates FROM, Adam to Moses.
See it?

And another would be from Moses Law to The Cross of Christ..
That is Law to Grace.
See it? See the change?
We can also consider this, as moving from the OT Old Covenant, to the NT New Covenant.
See that division, that change?
If you can see those, then that is "rightly dividing" the word of God.

Now another one is the "time of the Gentiles".......that started with The Cross of Christ and will end...... which BEGINS... the Tribulation.
See that change? Where God is doing something, and then It changes?
That is a division.........and to see it, is to "rightly divide" the world of God.

Now, currently we are in "the time of the Gentiles".....as the Cross began it 2000 yrs ago, and the Tribulation is going to signal the end of the "time of the Gentile".
Now in this "time of the gentiles" you have one Apostle who was personally chosen by JESUS... to be the "apostle to the Gentiles'", in "the times of the Gentiles".
Paul, is the "Apostle to the Gentiles"....and we are currently IN the "time of the gentiles".
So, Paul's Doctrine is FOR the "time of the Gentiles' where the Body of Christ , the NT Church is found.
Paul's Gospel is THE Gospel in the "time of the Gentiles", where the Body of Christ, the NT Church is found.
Paul's Gospel is the ONLY Gospel that God recognizes in "the time of the Gentiles', and all others are :

Galatians 1:8

Paul's Gospel has no water baptism in it..... Paul's Gospel is "justification by Faith" "without works or deeds of the Law"...... Pauls' Gospel is "all who believe in Jesus, shall be saved".
Paul's Gospel is....>"we preach Christ Crucified".. "the preaching of the Cross".

Reader, accept NO Substitute.

 

[Muna]

Do you see a bit more now why Paul cannot be trusted? he has devided the church just as predicted in prophecy;

The prophecy to comes from Genesis 49:27, where Jacob speaks about his son Benjamin:
“Benjamin is a ravenous wolf; in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.”

This prophecy has often been linked to Paul, who was from the tribe of Benjamin (Philippians 3:5). Before his conversion, Paul fiercely persecuted the early church, “breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord” (Acts 9:1). This matches the image of the “ravenous wolf… devouring the prey.”

Just curious, why Saul wouldn't be considered in respects to Gen49:27

1 Sam 9:21 And Saul answered and said, Am not I a Benjamite, of the smallest of the tribes of Israel?

Gen 49:12 Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey...

1 Sam 19:11 Saul also sent messengers unto David's house, to watch him, and to slay him in the morning:

and Michal David's wife told him, saying, If thou save not thy life to night, to morrow thou shalt be slain.

...and at night he shall divide the spoil Gen 49:12

1 Sam 14:36 And Saul said, Let us go down after the Philistines by night, and spoil them until the morning light, and let us not leave a man of them.

Although, I am not sure whether the "dividing the spoil" in Gen 49:27 can be shown in one of King Saul's military campaigns against the Amalekites. Because he was instructed to destroy all of them but instead spared King Agag and it was the people took the spoils there (1 Sam15:21). They were under him as King, but I am not fully convinced this would align with the idea of King Saul's "dividing the spoil" as is described of Benjamin in that prophecy where the picture there suggests a pattern of warfare and of shared rewards (or spoils of their victories)

But I am not sure if this reflects that so much

1 Sam 15:17 And Samuel said, When thou wast little in thine own sight, wast thou not made the head of the tribes of Israel, and the LORD anointed thee king over Israel?

1 Sam 15:18 And the LORD sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.

1 Sam 15:19 Wherefore then didst thou not obey the voice of the LORD, but didst fly upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of the LORD?

1 Sam 15:20 And Saul said unto Samuel, Yea, I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and have gone the way which the LORD sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.

1 Sam 15:21 But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice unto the LORD thy God in Gilgal.

1 Sam 15:24 And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.

So iffy on that yet.

 

[Muna]

I was looking at this concerning Benjamin when he was born and his two names

Gen 35:18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

Rachel as she was passing called him "Benoni", which is "son of my sorrow"

But Jacob called him "Benjamin" which is, "son of the right hand"

Paul said,

For I also am....of the tribe of Benjamin (Romans 11:1 & Phil 3:5)

Paul mentions being sealed 2 Cr 1:22 and we see here

Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

As Paul says,

2 Cr 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

I don't believe the scipture concludes them as a tribe of unsaved ravenous wolves as LovedYeshua might be trying to put out there while trying to do in one man (who is Paul)

And in the picture of Joseph, when it come to the portion of the one who was born last, Joseph (whose brethren sold him off) and later appeared to them (Benjamin not being present) wanted them to bring back to him their youngest brother (in this case Benjamin). And when Joseph distributed a portion to his brethren he distributed 5 times more a portion to Benjamin above the rest of them.

Genesis 43:33 And they sat before him, the firstborn according to his birthright, and the youngest according to his youth: and the men marvelled one at another.
Genesis 43:44 And he took and sent messes unto them from before him: but Benjamin's mess was five times so much as any of theirs. And they drank, and were merry with him.

Why couldn't any of that find some sort of comparison in Paul rather then just the "Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf" of Gen 49:27 when we could probably find far more similar comparisons in King Saul who was of the tribe of Benjamin?

 

[Muna]

Do you see a bit more now why Paul cannot be trusted? he has devided the church just as predicted in prophecy;

Concerning division didn't Jesus himself said,,

Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
Luke 12:51 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

Paul apparently sought to divide these here

Acts 23:6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee:
of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
Acts 23:7 And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided.

Maybe they are the prey?
Seeing that Paul who gave testimony unto the word of his grace divided the people while bringing a portion of the people to Christ

Acts 14:2 But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren.
Acts 14:3 Long time therefore abode they speaking boldly in the Lord, which gave testimony unto the word of his grace, and granted signs and wonders to be done by their hands.
Acts 14:4 But the multitude of the city was divided: and part held with the Jews, and part with the apostles.

Paul when it come to the Church of Christ

1 Cr 1:3 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Seeing Jesus prayed that they may be one, even as we are one

And Paul again, as it concerns divisions among themselves

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Romans 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

And again in reference to here

The prophecy to comes from Genesis 49:27, where Jacob speaks about his son Benjamin:
“Benjamin is a ravenous wolf; in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.”

And devouring the prey is not always a bad thing, for example

Jerm 5:14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

and dividing the spoil as shown us in Christ

Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Spoiling of goods can also be seen as a good thing in Christ

Mark 3:27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.