The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

[quietthinker]

Simply irrelevant to what I posted.

Tong
R4122

It’s surprisingly or alarmingly relevant Tong, it’s just that you don’t see the connection

 

[Tong2020]

It’s surprisingly or alarmingly relevant Tong, it’s just that you don’t see the connection

So please tell, what is the connection to my post that you responded to?

Tong
R4124

 

[quietthinker]

So please tell, what is the connection to my post that you responded to?

Tong
R4124

I understand that you feel
God’s sovereignty is undermined by his vulnerability.

 

[Tong2020]

I understand that you feel
God’s sovereignty is undermined by his vulnerability.

What? What are you talking about?

Whose vulnerability?

Tong
R4125

 

[quietthinker]

What? What are you talking about?

Whose vulnerability?

Tong
R4125

God’s vulnerability of course!

 

[quietthinker]

One cannot love without being vulnerable. The two are inseparably entwined.
A theology which separates the two has not understood why God chose to subject himself to the humiliation of Calvary.

 

[Tong2020]

God’s vulnerability of course!

Explain what you say is God’s vulnerability.

Tong
R4126

 

[Tong2020]

One cannot love without being vulnerable. The two are inseparably entwined.
A theology which separates the two has not understood why God chose to subject himself to the humiliation of Calvary.

Is that how you see and know God?

Tong
R4127

 

[quietthinker]

Is that how you see and know God?

Tong
R4127

Absolutely!

 

[quietthinker]

Explain what you say is God’s vulnerability.

Tong
R4126

The fact that his whole reality is love as John says, ‘in him is no darkness at all’

 

[Tong2020]

The fact that his whole reality is love as John says, ‘in him is no darkness at all’

While it is true that God is love, God is more more than that. And I guess you know that.

Tong
R4128

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Is that how you see and know God?

Absolutely!

Oh. I see now how you see and know God. I see Him differently.

Tong
R4129

 

[quietthinker]

While it is true that God is love, God is more more than that. And I guess you know that.

Tong
R4128

When God gave Jesus he gave all the accumulated treasure of eternity.... he gave till there was no more to give.

 

[quietthinker]

Oh. I see now how you see and know God. I see Him differently.

Tong
R4129

That is the big question of which one theologian asked ‘how have we known Christ?’ Have we known him as an enigma? or as a religious revolutionary? perhaps a name to rubber stamp our theologies?

 

[Tong2020]

When God gave Jesus he gave all the accumulated treasure of eternity.... he gave till there was no more to give.

No more to give? What are you even talking about? Strange thoughts you have there. Where do you get all that?

Tong
R4130

 

[Mjh29]

You do not understand the immensity of the sacrifice ie, the condescension of the incarnation.
Instead, you superimpose a human view of power with its supreme self interest onto God.

Oh I fully comprehend the magnitude of the immensity of Christ's sacrifice - so much so that I cannot believe that the Father applied to Christ unnecessary stripes upon his back, or made Him bleed one drop of powerless blood, nor make his condescension any more demeaning than absolutely necessary.

I would never superimpose anything upon the word;
"Before either child had done anything goodor evil" needs no superimposing. However you have presupposed the false narrative that, in order to fulfill and encapsulate your view of 'just', God must extend His call to all men, or relegate Himself to the level of His Creation
(Ps Big words don't make an argument; just figured if we were throwing them around I would pitch in. They are especially useless when you use big words to fill giant voids in your logic or reasoning.)

 

[quietthinker]

No more to give? What are you even talking about? Strange thoughts you jave there. Where do you get all that?

Tong
R4130

From having experienced some of that love....and as John also says ‘so we may have fellowship....’

 

[quietthinker]

Oh I fully comprehend the magnitude of the immensity of Christ's sacrifice - so much so that I cannot believe that the Father applied to Christ unnecessary stripes upon his back, or made Him bleed one drop of powerless blood, nor make his condescension any more demeaning than absolutely necessary.

I would never superimpose anything upon the word;
"Before either child had done anything goodor evil" needs no superimposing. However you have presupposed the false narrative that, in order to fulfill and encapsulate your view of 'just', God must extend His call to all men, or relegate Himself to the level of His Creation
(Ps Big words don't make an argument; just figured if we were throwing them around I would pitch in. They are especially useless when you use big words to fill giant voids in your logic or reasoning.)

1 John 2:2 ‘and he himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world’.

 

[quietthinker]

No more to give? What are you even talking about? Strange thoughts you have there. Where do you get all that?

Tong
R4130

Is your understanding solely cognitive?

 

[quietthinker]

Oh I fully comprehend the magnitude of the immensity of Christ's sacrifice - so much so that I cannot believe that the Father applied to Christ unnecessary stripes upon his back, or made Him bleed one drop of powerless blood, nor make his condescension any more demeaning than absolutely necessary.

I would never superimpose anything upon the word;
"Before either child had done anything goodor evil" needs no superimposing. However you have presupposed the false narrative that, in order to fulfill and encapsulate your view of 'just', God must extend His call to all men, or relegate Himself to the level of His Creation
(Ps Big words don't make an argument; just figured if we were throwing them around I would pitch in. They are especially useless when you use big words to fill giant voids in your logic or reasoning.)

So you see yourself as fully comprehending?....hmmmm!