OK, so If you cant refute, then deny its existence?
Also, you have not addressed the other scripture I gave you...
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved
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OK, so If you cant refute, then deny its existence?
Also, you have not addressed the other scripture I gave you...
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved
Jim B
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Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast."
Baptism is a "work", a ritual statement that has nothing to do with being salvation, which is God's gift.
Is Acts 2:38 by grace or works...
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
You skipped Acts 2:38 again.
You even told sinners that they are saved by grace through faith as they read it, without agreeing with it.
You think Romans was written to the sinners of Rome.
Jim B
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If you think that I'm going to discuss the single verse of Acts 2:38 that you are obsessed with ad nauseum, you are crazy. There are other verses in the Bible, you know. (Or perhaps you don't!)
NO! What He was teaching this Jewish ruler is that being born a Jew will not save you (as all the Jews believed) you must be born again.
He didn't understand so Christ made it simple for him, "you must be born of water (the natural birth) and of the Spirit (the spiritual birth).
Christ came only to the Jews, they were to introduce Christ to the world. But first, Christ had to show the Jews they themselves needed to be saved. That proved to be a difficult task with the stiff-necked Jews who believed the Gentiles could not be saved and they were automatically saved through the bloodline of Abraham.
As long as you stay pre-Acts in your discussion, you are qualified to discuss that area of the Bible.
Acts 2:38 is your stopping point.
No, you are saying that Jesus taught that not only must a man be born of his mother, but by the Spirit.
You taught water sac/Spirit salvation.
Ronald Nolette
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Well it doesn't appear in earlier manuscripts so it is not an original writing. Most likely a marginal note that became incorporated!
Mark 16 has nothing to do with being born of water and the Spirit. Also If you go back and read what Jesus spoke of baptism, the key verse that stands out ( I paraphrase) , John in deed baptized with water, but I shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and witih fire. And lo and behold- in that upper room didn't ther 120 assembled get baptized in that room just as Jesus said He would baptize in !
I told you the truth, if you can't understand it that is not my problem.
Nicodemus didn't understand it at the time either, but there is always hope.
Jim B
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I’m sure you can clear up what Nicodemus did not understand regarding Jesus teaching that you had to pass through your mothers birth canal to be saved.
Per Mark 16, Jesus said he that ….is baptized shall be saved. Do you agree with Jesus?
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