WaterSong
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No I didn't.But you agreed that we can affect history by our actions.....
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No I didn't.But you agreed that we can affect history by our actions.....
How is it different?There is a difference between the predeterminism God speaks of himself and his will and scripture, and that of causal determinism.
So we've got into limited atonement already? If you're a calvinist, just say so, so I know what I'm arguing against.The context of that belief is not sustained by scripture.
Remember what Jesus said? I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. And, No one can be saved save the father calls them. Jesus was God. John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Isaiah 43:11
I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior.
Where is that expressed in scripture?
That wasn't God saying he doesn't listen, it was an unbeliever who was quickly proven wrong.In that excerpt you copied from the Bethany church website you overlooked the very first paragraph. Why is that?
The blind man states in John 9:31 – “We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does his will, God listens to him” (all Scripture ESV). During the sermon, a few things were established with the help of a few other passages of Scripture:.....
What?Ahab wasn't a lawless one. Ahab wasn't an unbeliever. Ahab had faith in Yahweh.
That's exactly what happened.Don't you now how the Ninevites received God's mercy? Jonah preached the words of God to them a number of times by God's command. And in Jonah 3 the Ninevites repented and believed. God sent Jonah to lead them to repentance. God did not hear their prayers as ones condemned and then relented.
And from whence does he bring forth chaos?Satan is the chaos bringer.
God is Preeminent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent. How then is the paradox of free will in humans compatible with the Omniscience of God?
Proverbs 16:1
The plans of the heart belong to man, but the answer of the tongue is from the Lord.
Psalm 37:23
The steps of a man are established by the Lord, when he delights in his way;
Neither of those verses support determinism.
The second one gives a condition right in the verse.
The first is clarified a couple verses later
Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
and he will establish your plans.
Obviously there's a condition that must be met here. And proverbs don't teach theology anyway.
By opposing God, and sowing division.And from whence does he bring forth chaos?
The difference is really no difference at all from a practical standpoint.
How so?The difference is really no difference at all from a practical standpoint.
If God didn't answer the prayers of sinners, no one could be saved.
I never would have taken you for a baptismal regeneration believer.Actually, the concept that is given forth in John 9:31, shows forth quite clearly the concept that a man must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins in order to be saved (Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39).
By submitting to this ordinance, a person is saved apart from his own prayer to save himself. He ceases to be a sinner (because his sins are remitted) and from thenceforth he is able to come before the throne of grace with confidence and have his prayer answered
It's brings us to the same conclusion: That everything we do is ultimately without purpose or meaning and we are just cogs in the wheel. The funny thing is, scripture confirms again and again that one man's actions can change history, either for good or evil. Starting with Adam, to Noah and Moses and Abraham, and all the way through, it's people who choose to follow God's leading, although all imperfect humans, that drastically alter the course of history.How so?
I never would have taken you for a baptismal regeneration believer.
There's loads of scriptural evidence that belief is what is required for salvation, not any act, but that's another topic.
People misunderstand the book of Job bigtime and I can see why. It's a very long and somewhat confusing ride.With God's permission?
What Is the Extent of Satan's Power?
Well if you are saying that we must also confess with our mouth or in some way make a public declaration of our salvation, I won't argue with that.Yes, faith is certainly the key to salvation.
Baptism and/or calling on the name of the Lord is the key to assurance of salvation.
A person can merely believe and they "should not perish" (John 3:16).
If they believe and are baptized they "shall be saved" (Mark 16:16)
If they call on the name of the Lord they "shall be saved." (Romans 10:13)