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Featured The Pope Said It's Better to Be An Atheist

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by GodsGrace, Jan 7, 2019.

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  1. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    I'm no fan of the Pope, but if I understood what he said, it's great advice for all.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    I agree!
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Who could be a bigger hypocrite than the Pope? The Reformers called the Pope of their time the Antichrist.
     
  5. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    And they were the biggest hypocrites of them all . . .
     
  6. amadeus

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    The way we get closer to God at the top is always start at the bottom... that is in the lowest room. We also lift the Lord up. Our purpose when it really becomes equal to His purpose [His will] never be opposed to God... but none of us can get there alone. We always need His help. We need God's help to surrender completely to Him. We must ask...

    "But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
    For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." Luke 14:10-11


    "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:" Matt 7:7

    But mind carefully what you ask for and how you ask for it:

    "Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
    Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts." James 4:2-3
     
  7. GodsGrace

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    A hypocrite is someone who says one thing but does another.

    What does the Pope say that he does not do??
     
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    brakelite Well-Known Member

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    Forgive sin.
     
  9. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Do you really need a catalogue?
     
  10. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    How do YOU know??
    Who has he NOT forgiven??
     
  11. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    No - why don't YOU tell us, Einstein??

    List
    , please . . .
     
  12. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    'The rhetorical “holy war” between Pope Francis and Donald Trump, while perhaps damaging to the latter, may open the Vatican to a charge of hypocrisy in the way the papal enclave in Rome is administered.'

    Trump-Pope Feud: The Vatican Has A Wall, Strict Immigration Policy

    The Pope supports open borders and illegal migrant invasion into Western countries, but the Vatican has a wall and strict immigration policies. This is only one of many papal hypocrisies.
     
  13. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    YOU said that there was a veritable "catalog" of items
    You have only presented ONE.

    Where is the list??
     
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    But that's not being hypocritical.
    That's just following confession as the CC practices it.
     
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    NO. I just need an example.
    I can't think of anything....
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    OK
    I agree with the above and have said this several times.

    Of course he needs a wall.
    But so does EVERY country....
    Look where I live - I can't tell you how things have changed.
    I think of a country as being like a home...do we keep our front door open?
     
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    Only God can forgive sin. None can sin against the Pope. Offend him maybe, and that he can forgive. But sin is transgression against the law of God. What mortal man had the power to forgive sin?
     
  18. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    You don't know your Bible very well - DO you?

    The practice of telling our sins directly to a priest is based directly in Scripture. THREE TIMES in the Gospels (Matt. 16:19, 18:18 and John 20:23), we read where Jesus gave the Apostles the power to forgive sins or to hold them bound. This is not something that Jesus took lightly. In John 20:21-23, Jesus (who is God) breathes on the Apostles as he is giving THEM this power:
    (Jesus) said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you."
    And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU FORGIVE are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU RETAIN are retained."


    The fact that Jesus breathed on the Apostles when entrusted them with this ministry is highly significant because he doesn’t do this anywhere else in the New Testament. In fact, there are only two times in ALL of Scripture where God breathes on man:

    The first is when he breathed life into Adam.
    The second is here in John’s Gospel when he is giving them the power to forgive or retain sins.

    St. Paul makes NO small case for this ministry of reconciliation clearly in 2 Cor. 5:18-20:

    “And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.”

    In 2 Cor. 2:10, he states, “Whomever you forgive anything, so do I. For indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for you in the presence of Christ.

    Paul was FORGIVING SINS.

    In the Greek, the word “presence” in this phrase is Prosopone, which means Person. In the PERSON of Christ is a more correct translation. Paul was indicating that they were forgiving sins in the PERSON of Christ, which is translated into Latin as In Persona Christi.
     
  19. brakelite

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    Or Vicarius filii dei
     
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    Bible says it would have been better for them to have not known the ways of righteousness, than to know it and reject it...


    Anyway

    Francis is scandalous.
     
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