The Pope Said It's Better to Be An Atheist

[Enoch111]

It does seem to me that Peter was the head of the church...

That's what the Catholics would have you believe. Since only Christ is the Head of the Church (the Body of Christ), calling Peter the head of the Church is TOTALLY FALSE -- A LIE.

The entire structure of the church of Rome is a house of cards. Peter was NOT the first bishop of Rome, let alone the head of the Church. Indeed when Peter was alive, there was no single *Bishop* of Rome. And when Paul wrote the epistle to the Romans (while Peter was very much alive), he did not even mention Peter in that epistle, since Peter was an apostle and elder in Jerusalem!

There was a plurality of elders (presbuteros) in every NT church including the one at Rome. You could call them either pastors (poimen = shepherds) or bishops (episkopos = overseers) since both those aspects were a part of being elders. Paul addresses the bishops/elders (plural) and deacons (plural) in Philippians 1:1.

Even though Peter was a leading apostle, he had the humility to declare himself an elder, when he addressed the elders in his first epistle (chapter 5).
1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

The popes have always been lords over God's heritage, and have been leading false Christianity since Constantine. Peter would condemn them roundly.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I do believe that if we talk bad of others, it IS a sin --- even if what we say is true.
We're not supposed to spread gossip,,,even if it's true.

What I believe the Pope was saying is that if someone is going to act like an atheist then he should not call himself a Christian.

You DO bring up a good point --- does this mean that all atheists are bad people?
No. The fact is that more is expected from Christians and we should live up to this expectation --- this is our testimony.

But the truth will set you free.

Jesus may of offended the people who were against him ? did you ever think of that, they hated him speaking out, making them look like total fools all the time, imagine being insulted like that when you are the respected leaders of the show and made look like a total drongo foolish moron who does not know jack about your trade of position.

What if I were to say to anyone to clean up their act and don't live like a dog with no regard, pick up after yourself and don't have others pick up the tab for you, get educated get a job be part of the community not part of the problem and have self respect and that of others.

Gossip ? is just foolish rubbish dribbled without facts.

With a Christian it's more about being just, than good or bad people.

I think that the Pope was just being a points scoring scallywag that's rampant in political correctness world.

One could come at Pope and say stop being a friend of the world Anti-Christ fool and believe and follow Jesus Christ and not only that but preach Jesus Christ, not just come the goat playing into the hands of Marxist atheist like he does.

 

[brakelite]

Here are the 8 official titles of the Pope - of which "Pope" is not even one of them:

• Bishop of Rome
• Vicar of Christ
• Successor of the Prince of the Apostles
• Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church
• Primate of Italy
• Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province
• Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City
• Servant of the Servants of God

That's it . . .

At the following website, oh look, its the Vatican itself!! What better source BOL?
De Fernando Poo (Rivi Muniensis), Constitutio Apostolica, Nonnullis territoriis a vicariatu apostolico de Fernando Póo detractis, novus vicariatus apostolicus conditur, «Rivi Muniensis» nomine, d. 9 m. Augusti a. 1965, Paulus PP. VI | Paulus PP. VI
can be found the following document which in the past were known as Papal Bulls....certainly official. Please take note of the first line...


Paulus VI Constitutiones Apostolicae
[ LA ]



PAULUS EPISCOPUS
SERVUS SERVORUM DEI
AD PERPETUAM REI MEMORIAM


CONSTITUTIO APOSTOLICA


DE FERNANDO POO (RIVI MUNIENSIS)

*
NONNULLIS TERRITORIIS A VICARIATU APOSTOLICO DE FERNANDO PÓO DETRACTIS, NOVUS VICARIATUS APOSTOLICUS CONDITUR,
«RIVI MUNIENSIS» NOMINE.




Qui summi Dei numine et voluntate principem locum in Christi Ecclesia, obtinemus, adorandi Filii Dei hic in terris Vicarii Petrique successores, etsi omni parte virium impares sumus tanto oneri sustinendo, summo tamen studio atque sollicitudine urgemur ut cunctis gentibus et populis et nationibus christiana fides ac veneranda Christi religio pronuntietur, per omnesque terrae partes «currat et clarificetur» (2 Thess. 3, 1). Quam ob rem, cum Sacra Congregatio de Propaganda Fide, post rem bene reputatam, omnesque, quorum interesset, sententiam rogatos, censuerit bene fieri si, distractis nonnullis territoriis a vicariatu apostolico de Fernando Póo, novus inde vicariatus conderetur, Nos haec omnia probantes, sequentia auctoritate Nostra statuimus. A vicariatu, quem diximus, integram regionem per vulgus Rio Muni cognominatam detrahimus, simulque insulas propinquas quas populari lingua Corisco, Elobey Grande et Elobey Chico appellant, eaque territoria in novi vicariatus apostolici formam redigimus, Rivi Muniensis nomine, quem Congregationi Missionariorum Filiorum Immaculati Cordis Beatae Mariae Virginis concredimus, ad nutum nempe huius Apostolicae Sedis. Quos paterne hortamur ut, qui «relictis omnibus » (Lc. 5, 11) Christum secuti sunt, nihil omittant quod servandis animis iisque ad Ecclesiae sanctae saepta reducendis conducat. Ceterum volumus ut has Litteras Nostras exsequi studeat, qui a Sacra Congregatione Fidei Propagandae id muneris exceperit, vel quem ipse delegaverit. Re vero peracta, documenta exarentur, quorum sincera exempla ad eandem Sacram Congregationem cito mittantur. Hanc vero Constitutionem nunc et in posterum efficacem esse et fore volumus; ita quidem ut quae per eam decreta sunt ab iis quorum res est religiose serventur, atque igitur vim suam obtineant. Cuius Constitutionis efficacitati nulla, cuiusvis generis, contraria praescripta officere poterunt, cum per eam iisdem derogemus omnibus. Nemini praeterea haec voluntatis Nostrae documenta vel scindere vel corrumpere liceat; quin immo huius Constitutionis exemplis et locis, sive typis impressis sive manu exaratis, quae sigillum viri praeferant in ecclesiastica dignitate constituti simulque ab aliquo publico tabellione sint subscripta, eadem omnino habenda erit fides, quae huic haberetur, si ostenderetur.

Datum ex Arce Gandulfi, prope Romam, die nono mensis Augusti, anno Domini millesimo nongentesimo sexagesimo quinto, Pontificatus Nostri tertio.


IACOBUS A. Card. COPELLO
S. R. E. Cancellarius


GREGORIUS P. Card. AGAGIANIAN
S. Congr. de Prop. Fide Praefectus

Franciscus Tinello
Apostolicam Cancellariam Regens

Franciscus H. Ferretti, Proton. Apost. Decanus
Caesar Federici, Proton.

Here is the first line with the English translation...
Qui summi Dei numine et voluntate principem locum in Christi Ecclesia, obtinemus, adorandi Filii Dei hic in terris Vicarii Petrique successores, ...
We who the supreme God providentially wills, and maintains, in the principle position over Christ's Church, the worshipful Son of God's Vicar(s) upon the earth, Peter's successor(s).

 

[brakelite]

Here are the 8 official titles of the Pope - of which "Pope" is not even one of them:

• Bishop of Rome
• Vicar of Christ
• Successor of the Prince of the Apostles
• Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church
• Primate of Italy
• Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province
• Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City
• Servant of the Servants of God

That's it . . .

And here is another even more clear revelation of what must be termed an official title considering it is on an official Papal document written by the Pope himself.





Paulus VI Constitutiones Apostolicae
[ LA ]



PAULUS EPISCOPUS
SERVUS SERVORUM DEI
AD PERPETUAM REI MEMORIAM


CONSTITUTIO APOSTOLICA


BAFIANAE*

QUAE ERAT PRAEFECTURA APOSTOLICA BAFIENSIS
IN DIOECESIUM ORDINEM REDIGITUR, «BAFIANA» NOMINE.




Adorandi Dei Filii Vicarius et Procurator, quibus numen aeternum summam Ecclesiae sanctae dedit, nihil profecto sanctius, nihil sollemnius, nihil religiosius umquam duximus, quam ut illum ignem in mortalium pectoribus omni arte accenderemus, quem Ille huc excitaturus descendit, et excitari vehementissime optavit. Sine enim hac amoris fiamma non modo omnia circum squalent, sed nec homo potest aut ad immortalem patriam tendere, aut aeternae tranquillitatis portum tenere. Quam ob rem, cum praefectura apostolica Bafiensis, ob insomnes Sodalium Congregationis Sancti Spiritus sub tutela Immaculati Cordis Beatissimae Virginis Mariae magna ceperit incrementa, maioraque capere posse praevideatur, visum est opportune fieri, si eadem ad gradum dioecesis attolleretur: per hoc enim remur cum meritam laudem tribui iisdem Sodalibus, quos diximus, tum etiam animum addi novum ad sanctissimam fidem nostram propagandam. Quae cum ita sint, audito venerabili Fratre Aloisio Poggi, Archiepiscopo titulo Forontonianensi atque in Camerunensi Republica Apostolico Pro-Nuntio, item Sacrae Congregationis Christiano Nomini Propagando rogata sententia, haec quae sequuntur decernimus et statuimus. Praefecturam apostolicam Bafiensem ad dignitatem dioecesis evehimus, cognomine Bafianae, quam iisdem dilectis Filiis e Congregatione Sancti Spiritus sub tutela Immaculati Cordis Beatissimae Virginis Mariae gubernandam concredimus. Erit autem eadem suffraganea archidioecesi Yaundensi, ad normam iuris. Cathedra episcopalis magisterii in templo principe ponetur civitatis Bafiae, in qua urbe Episcopus domicilium collocabit, ut in capite dioecesis. Qui praeterea, si Canonicorum collegium condi nequeat, Consultores dioecesanos eliget, ut consilio, opere in negotiis maioribus assistant; atque Seminarium condet, quo pueri bonae spei, qui ad sacerdotium vocentur, excipi possint. Cetera, iura et onera cleri et populi respicientia, regimen, hisque similia, iure Canonico regantur. Ceterum, quae iussimus, venerabilis Frater Aloisius Poggi ad exitum adducere studeat, vel quem ille delegaverit. Re autem acta, documenta exarentur, quorum sincera exempla ad Sacram Congregationem cito mittantur.

Hanc vero Constitutionem nunc et in posterum efficacem esse et fore volumus; ita quidem ut quae per eam decreta sunt ab iis quorum res est religiose serventur, atque igitur vim suam obtineant. Cuius Constitutionis efficacitati nulla, cuiusvis generis, contraria praescripta officere poterunt, cum per eam iisdem derogemus omnibus. Nemini praeterea haec voluntatis Nostrae documenta vel scindere vel corrumpere liceat; quin immo huius Constitutionis exemplis et locis, sive typis impressis sive manu exaratis, quae sigillum viri praeferant in ecclesiastica dignitate constituti simulque ab aliquo publico tabellione sint subscripta, eadem omnino habenda erit fides, quae huic haberetur, si ostenderetur.


Datum Romae, apud S. Petrum, die undecimo mensis Ianuarii, anno Domini millesimo nongentesimo sexagesimo octavo, Pontificatus Nostri quinto.


ALOISIUS Card. TRAGLIA
S. R. E. Cancellarius


GREGORIUS P. Card. AGAGIANIAN
S. Congr. de Prop. Fide Praefectus

Franciscus Tinello
Apostolicam Cancellariam Regens

Iosephus Del Ton, Protonot. Apost.
Eugenius Sevi, Protonot. Apost.







Again, note the first line, and the English translation....
Adorandi Dei Filii Vicarius et Procurator, quibus numen aeternum summam Ecclesiae sanctae dedit, ...
As the worshipful Son of God's Vicar and Caretaker, to whom the eternal divine will has given the highest rank of the holy Church, …

Shall I include the Donation of Constantine where the first use of that title formed the basis of claims to Papal sovereignty for centuries, and which document no Pope to this day, to my knowledge, has repudiated?

 

[BreadOfLife]

And here is another even more clear revelation of what must be termed an official title considering it is on an official Papal document written by the Pope himself.

PAULUS EPISCOPUS
SERVUS SERVORUM DEI
AD PERPETUAM REI MEMORIAM

CONSTITUTIO APOSTOLICA

BAFIANAE*

QUAE ERAT PRAEFECTURA APOSTOLICA BAFIENSIS
IN DIOECESIUM ORDINEM REDIGITUR, «BAFIANA» NOMINE.



Adorandi Dei Filii Vicarius et Procurator, quibus numen aeternum summam Ecclesiae sanctae dedit, nihil profecto sanctius, nihil sollemnius, nihil religiosius umquam duximus, quam ut illum ignem in mortalium pectoribus omni arte accenderemus, quem Ille huc excitaturus descendit, et excitari vehementissime optavit. Sine enim hac amoris fiamma non modo omnia circum squalent, sed nec homo potest aut ad immortalem patriam tendere, aut aeternae tranquillitatis portum tenere. Quam ob rem, cum praefectura apostolica Bafiensis, ob insomnes Sodalium Congregationis Sancti Spiritus sub tutela Immaculati Cordis Beatissimae Virginis Mariae magna ceperit incrementa, maioraque capere posse praevideatur, visum est opportune fieri, si eadem ad gradum dioecesis attolleretur: per hoc enim remur cum meritam laudem tribui iisdem Sodalibus, quos diximus, tum etiam animum addi novum ad sanctissimam fidem nostram propagandam. Quae cum ita sint, audito venerabili Fratre Aloisio Poggi, Archiepiscopo titulo Forontonianensi atque in Camerunensi Republica Apostolico Pro-Nuntio, item Sacrae Congregationis Christiano Nomini Propagando rogata sententia, haec quae sequuntur decernimus et statuimus. Praefecturam apostolicam Bafiensem ad dignitatem dioecesis evehimus, cognomine Bafianae, quam iisdem dilectis Filiis e Congregatione Sancti Spiritus sub tutela Immaculati Cordis Beatissimae Virginis Mariae gubernandam concredimus. Erit autem eadem suffraganea archidioecesi Yaundensi, ad normam iuris. Cathedra episcopalis magisterii in templo principe ponetur civitatis Bafiae, in qua urbe Episcopus domicilium collocabit, ut in capite dioecesis. Qui praeterea, si Canonicorum collegium condi nequeat, Consultores dioecesanos eliget, ut consilio, opere in negotiis maioribus assistant; atque Seminarium condet, quo pueri bonae spei, qui ad sacerdotium vocentur, excipi possint. Cetera, iura et onera cleri et populi respicientia, regimen, hisque similia, iure Canonico regantur. Ceterum, quae iussimus, venerabilis Frater Aloisius Poggi ad exitum adducere studeat, vel quem ille delegaverit. Re autem acta, documenta exarentur, quorum sincera exempla ad Sacram Congregationem cito mittantur.

Hanc vero Constitutionem nunc et in posterum efficacem esse et fore volumus; ita quidem ut quae per eam decreta sunt ab iis quorum res est religiose serventur, atque igitur vim suam obtineant. Cuius Constitutionis efficacitati nulla, cuiusvis generis, contraria praescripta officere poterunt, cum per eam iisdem derogemus omnibus. Nemini praeterea haec voluntatis Nostrae documenta vel scindere vel corrumpere liceat; quin immo huius Constitutionis exemplis et locis, sive typis impressis sive manu exaratis, quae sigillum viri praeferant in ecclesiastica dignitate constituti simulque ab aliquo publico tabellione sint subscripta, eadem omnino habenda erit fides, quae huic haberetur, si ostenderetur.

Datum Romae, apud S. Petrum, die undecimo mensis Ianuarii, anno Domini millesimo nongentesimo sexagesimo octavo, Pontificatus Nostri quinto.

ALOISIUS Card. TRAGLIA
S. R. E. Cancellarius

GREGORIUS P. Card. AGAGIANIAN
S. Congr. de Prop. Fide Praefectus

Franciscus Tinello
Apostolicam Cancellariam Regens

Iosephus Del Ton, Protonot. Apost.
Eugenius Sevi, Protonot. Apost.

Again, note the first line, and the English translation....
Adorandi Dei Filii Vicarius et Procurator, quibus numen aeternum summam Ecclesiae sanctae dedit, ...
As the worshipful Son of God's Vicar and Caretaker, to whom the eternal divine will has given the highest rank of the holy Church, …
Shall I include the Donation of Constantine where the first use of that title formed the basis of claims to Papal sovereignty for centuries, and which document no Pope to this day, to my knowledge, has repudiated?

Okay - let's PRETEND that you are correct and "Dei Filii Vicarius" is an "official" title of the Pope.

Just because YOUR sect counts up the numerical value of this title as "666" doesn't mean he is the Anti-Christ.
YOUR foundress, the false prophet, Ellen G. White's name ALSO adds up to "666".

Does this "PROVE" that SHE was an antichrist??

Def fili Vicarus simply means "Son of God's Vicar".
Do your HOMEWORK . . .

 

[brakelite]

Ellen G. White's name ALSO adds up to "666".

How so and using what parameters? There is likely several people on this forum who, if we Latinised their name and skewed things a bit, could add up to 666. The thing is, the 666 aspect is simply the icing on the cake when it comes to identifying the CC as the Antichrist. All other criteria are met exactly as the Biblical prophetic record demands of Antichrist, so the 666 is merely a final confirmation.

YOUR sect counts up the numerical value of this title as "666"

The 666 aspect has been known since the 16th century, and has been agreed upon by many since then. It is accurate, in Latin, Hebrew, and Greek, the languages common to the era. No entity since, nor any that could possibly fit in the future, has matched all the criteria as the Papacy does.

Def fili Vicarus simply means "Son of God's Vicar"

Which perfectly fits the definition and meaning of the word Antichrist..."instead of Christ."

 

[BreadOfLife]

How so and using what parameters? There is likely several people on this forum who, if we Latinised their name and skewed things a bit, could add up to 666. The thing is, the 666 aspect is simply the icing on the cake when it comes to identifying the CC as the Antichrist. All other criteria are met exactly as the Biblical prophetic record demands of Antichrist, so the 666 is merely a final confirmation.

However - it is YOUR entire case regarding "Def fili Vicarus".

The 666 aspect has been known since the 16th century, and has been agreed upon by many since then. It is accurate, in Latin, Hebrew, and Greek, the languages common to the era. No entity since, nor any that could possibly fit in the future, has matched all the criteria as the Papacy does.

Since the 16th century??
Gee - this didn't have anything to do with your Protestant Fathers having an ax to grind against the Catholic Church, now - DID it??

As for YOUR foundress and false prophetess's name . . .
ELLEN GOULD WHITE
e + 50 + 50 + e + n = 100
g + o + (U = V = 5) + 50 + 500 = 555
(W = V + V = 5 + 5) + h + 1 + t + e = 11
100 + 555 + 11 = 666

Which perfectly fits the definition and meaning of the word Antichrist..."instead of Christ."

Careful - your ignorance is showing again . . .

Since when does "Vicar" mean "instead of".
Vicar simply means "Chief agent" - NOT a replacement.

 

[brakelite]

ELLEN GOULD WHITE
e + 50 + 50 + e + n = 100
g + o + (U = V = 5) + 50 + 500 = 555
(W = V + V = 5 + 5) + h + 1 + t + e = 11
100 + 555 + 11 = 666

LOL. W=VV?? Since when was there a W in ancient Latin? There was no G in ancient Latin, why not turn that into something else? Like I said, Latinise any name on this forum and one could find someone maybe with the same result. Means nothing and removes none of the truth from the original appellation.

Since the 16th century??
Gee - this didn't have anything to do with your Protestant Fathers having an ax to grind against the Catholic Church, now - DID it??

No, because they didn't write Revelation 13:18, they only correctly interpreted it. Does the above mean Catholics have an axe to grind against Adventism?

Since when does "Vicar" mean "instead of".
Vicar simply means "Chief agent" - NOT a replacement.

Is chief agent not a replacement? Is he not presumably doing a work vicariously in someones absence? Thus is his replacement?

"But behold this present [name] (Vicarius Filii Dei) in every way is such as is required. For first, it is a Latin name, and most exactly renders with significant letters that Apocalyptic number; then it harmonizes wholly and always with the papal order in itself (even though by hypothesis [ex hypothesi]), as no pontiff denies; then it is not offensive or vile as imposed upon him by adversaries, but is especially honorable to this very one, venerable, and formidable to others: which all the pontiffs have now already ascribed to themselves for more than 600 years (as is apparent), and do ascribe today, and wish to be ascribed: on which account they vehemently glory and boast with an execrable voice that they hold, shared as it were with the omnipotent God, the rule throughout the earth in human affairs. This [is] what, among other things (for who may investigate all the swelling words of papal bulls?), that decretal of Pope Aeneas Sylvius (who wished later to be called Pius) makes clearly evident—[that decretal] published in the year 1459 at Mantua which John Sleidan notes in his historical commentaries, vol. 2—in which he [the pope] took care that nobody should appeal from the pope to a Council because he said that, in the nature of things, nothing greater could be found above the Vicar of Christ."
Andreas Helwig. Excerpt from Antichristus Romanus

Helwig shows that the mystic name (1) must yield the required number; (2) must agree with the papal order; (3) must not be a vile name applied by enemies, but acceptable to Antichrist himself; and (4) must be one of which he can boast. Helwig takes Vicarius Filii Dei as an expansion or equivalent of the officially used shorter papal title Vicarius Christi, and shows that it conforms to these four requirements, citing Sleidanus in his Commentariis Suis Historicis, lib. 2, for the decretal of Aeneas Sylvias, which employs the title Vicarius Christi only. What Helwig was not aware of course were other decetals, bulls,etc (apart from the donation of Constantine which is now a continuing significant part of canon law) since the 16th century that used vicarious filii dei explicitly.

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL. W=VV?? Since when was there a W in ancient Latin? There was no G in ancient Latin, why not turn that into something else? Like I said, Latinise any name on this forum and one could find someone maybe with the same result. Means nothing and removes none of the truth from the original appellation.

Ummmmmmm, nobody said there WAS a "W", Einstein.
That's why it equates the "VV" for the "W".

Old Latin alphabet:
Letter: A B C D E F G H I K L M N O P Q R S T V X

No, because they didn't write Revelation 13:18, they only correctly interpreted it. Does the above mean Catholics have an axe to grind against Adventism?

YOU said the "16th" century.
In case you forgot - YOUR Adventist cult wasn't invented until the 19th century, Einstein . . .

Is chief agent not a replacement? Is he not presumably doing a work vicariously in someones absence? Thus is his replacement?

"But behold this present [name] (Vicarius Filii Dei) in every way is such as is required. For first, it is a Latin name, and most exactly renders with significant letters that Apocalyptic number; then it harmonizes wholly and always with the papal order in itself (even though by hypothesis [ex hypothesi]), as no pontiff denies; then it is not offensive or vile as imposed upon him by adversaries, but is especially honorable to this very one, venerable, and formidable to others: which all the pontiffs have now already ascribed to themselves for more than 600 years (as is apparent), and do ascribe today, and wish to be ascribed: on which account they vehemently glory and boast with an execrable voice that they hold, shared as it were with the omnipotent God, the rule throughout the earth in human affairs. This [is] what, among other things (for who may investigate all the swelling words of papal bulls?), that decretal of Pope Aeneas Sylvius (who wished later to be called Pius) makes clearly evident—[that decretal] published in the year 1459 at Mantua which John Sleidan notes in his historical commentaries, vol. 2—in which he [the pope] took care that nobody should appeal from the pope to a Council because he said that, in the nature of things, nothing greater could be found above the Vicar of Christ."
Andreas Helwig. Excerpt from Antichristus Romanus

Helwig shows that the mystic name (1) must yield the required number; (2) must agree with the papal order; (3) must not be a vile name applied by enemies, but acceptable to Antichrist himself; and (4) must be one of which he can boast. Helwig takes Vicarius Filii Dei as an expansion or equivalent of the officially used shorter papal title Vicarius Christi, and shows that it conforms to these four requirements, citing Sleidanus in his Commentariis Suis Historicis, lib. 2, for the decretal of Aeneas Sylvias, which employs the title Vicarius Christi only. What Helwig was not aware of course were other decetals, bulls,etc (apart from the donation of Constantine which is now a continuing significant part of canon law) since the 16th century that used vicarious filii dei explicitly.

Uh-huh, and Andreas Helwig was an anti-Catholic Protestant with an axe to grind.
Why not just quote Loraine Boettner or Alexander Hislop or John MacArthur or YOUR false prophetess, Ellen G. White - or myriad of other biased anti-Catholics??

This is what a a neutral source like wikipedia has to say about Helwig's "findings":
Such cryptograms were not uncommon; [David] Brady comments on (from Richard Bernard's Key of Knowledge of 1617) the phrase Generalis Dei Vicarius in Terris likewise treated, and Thomas Beard's 1625 permutation Vicarius Dei Generalis in Terris, perhaps influenced by Helwig. This became Vicarius Dei Generalis in Terris with Hezekiah Holland in 1650. But interest in Helwig’s formulation has outlasted the others.


Nice TRY . . .

 

[brakelite]

Ummmmmmm, nobody said there WAS a "W", Einstein.
That's why it equates the "VV" for the "W".

Old Latin alphabet:
Letter: A B C D E F G H I K L M N O P Q R S T V X

In other words its a made up synthesis which has absolutely no bearing nor relevance to scripture...there is no real linguistic relevance...there are no other attributes pertaining to EGW to confirm it has any significance...
In Latin and Roman numerals there was no "w" with a value of 10. A single "v" was used to represent the "w", "v" and "u" sound, The double-u (w) apparently evolved many centuries later in other languages, but not Roman numerals. The valid Roman numerals are:

Letter Value
I 1
V 5
X 10
L 50
C 100
D 500
M 1,000
So, ELLEN GOVLD WHITE does not, in fact, add up to 666. Be that as it may, for the moment, lets accept the application to Ellen White. Does this indicate that she is a likely candidate for the Antichrist or beast described in Revelation 13? Even the Catholics that raised this issue do not seriously consider Ellen White to be the Antichrist that scripture warns about. She will simply not fit the many other characteristics attributed to the Antichrist. Using this random method of application to individuals, it is apparent that there might be literally thousands of names that add up to 666, particularly if they are manipulated and Latinized as Rev. Ernest R. Hull demonstrated in the Our Sunday Visitor article several decades ago which I assume you got your fake news from. Clearly this approach is sheer foolishness, and proves nothing, but this deliberate attempt at obscurantism by Catholics in no way invalidates Roman numeral gematria as the solution to 666.

Uh-huh, and Andreas Helwig was an anti-Catholic Protestant with an axe to grind.
Why not just quote Loraine Boettner or Alexander Hislop or John MacArthur or YOUR false prophetess, Ellen G. White - or myriad of other biased anti-Catholics??

This is what a a neutral source like wikipedia has to say about Helwig's "findings":
Such cryptograms were not uncommon; [David] Brady comments on (from Richard Bernard's Key of Knowledge of 1617) the phrase Generalis Dei Vicarius in Terris likewise treated, and Thomas Beard's 1625 permutation Vicarius Dei Generalis in Terris, perhaps influenced by Helwig. This became Vicarius Dei Generalis in Terris with Hezekiah Holland in 1650. But interest in Helwig’s formulation has outlasted the others.


Nice TRY . . .

Again, the fact that 1000s of different names, titles etc may be found to add up to 666 if inappropriately manipulated to meet the required number, as the above EG White attempt above, not any or one of them obscures and removes the absolute validity of Vicarius filii dei as the only real genuine candidate.

 

[GodsGrace]

And here is another even more clear revelation of what must be termed an official title considering it is on an official Papal document written by the Pope himself.





Paulus VI Constitutiones Apostolicae
[ LA ]



PAULUS EPISCOPUS
SERVUS SERVORUM DEI
AD PERPETUAM REI MEMORIAM


CONSTITUTIO APOSTOLICA


BAFIANAE*

QUAE ERAT PRAEFECTURA APOSTOLICA BAFIENSIS
IN DIOECESIUM ORDINEM REDIGITUR, «BAFIANA» NOMINE.




Adorandi Dei Filii Vicarius et Procurator, quibus numen aeternum summam Ecclesiae sanctae dedit, nihil profecto sanctius, nihil sollemnius, nihil religiosius umquam duximus, quam ut illum ignem in mortalium pectoribus omni arte accenderemus, quem Ille huc excitaturus descendit, et excitari vehementissime optavit. Sine enim hac amoris fiamma non modo omnia circum squalent, sed nec homo potest aut ad immortalem patriam tendere, aut aeternae tranquillitatis portum tenere. Quam ob rem, cum praefectura apostolica Bafiensis, ob insomnes Sodalium Congregationis Sancti Spiritus sub tutela Immaculati Cordis Beatissimae Virginis Mariae magna ceperit incrementa, maioraque capere posse praevideatur, visum est opportune fieri, si eadem ad gradum dioecesis attolleretur: per hoc enim remur cum meritam laudem tribui iisdem Sodalibus, quos diximus, tum etiam animum addi novum ad sanctissimam fidem nostram propagandam. Quae cum ita sint, audito venerabili Fratre Aloisio Poggi, Archiepiscopo titulo Forontonianensi atque in Camerunensi Republica Apostolico Pro-Nuntio, item Sacrae Congregationis Christiano Nomini Propagando rogata sententia, haec quae sequuntur decernimus et statuimus. Praefecturam apostolicam Bafiensem ad dignitatem dioecesis evehimus, cognomine Bafianae, quam iisdem dilectis Filiis e Congregatione Sancti Spiritus sub tutela Immaculati Cordis Beatissimae Virginis Mariae gubernandam concredimus. Erit autem eadem suffraganea archidioecesi Yaundensi, ad normam iuris. Cathedra episcopalis magisterii in templo principe ponetur civitatis Bafiae, in qua urbe Episcopus domicilium collocabit, ut in capite dioecesis. Qui praeterea, si Canonicorum collegium condi nequeat, Consultores dioecesanos eliget, ut consilio, opere in negotiis maioribus assistant; atque Seminarium condet, quo pueri bonae spei, qui ad sacerdotium vocentur, excipi possint. Cetera, iura et onera cleri et populi respicientia, regimen, hisque similia, iure Canonico regantur. Ceterum, quae iussimus, venerabilis Frater Aloisius Poggi ad exitum adducere studeat, vel quem ille delegaverit. Re autem acta, documenta exarentur, quorum sincera exempla ad Sacram Congregationem cito mittantur.

Hanc vero Constitutionem nunc et in posterum efficacem esse et fore volumus; ita quidem ut quae per eam decreta sunt ab iis quorum res est religiose serventur, atque igitur vim suam obtineant. Cuius Constitutionis efficacitati nulla, cuiusvis generis, contraria praescripta officere poterunt, cum per eam iisdem derogemus omnibus. Nemini praeterea haec voluntatis Nostrae documenta vel scindere vel corrumpere liceat; quin immo huius Constitutionis exemplis et locis, sive typis impressis sive manu exaratis, quae sigillum viri praeferant in ecclesiastica dignitate constituti simulque ab aliquo publico tabellione sint subscripta, eadem omnino habenda erit fides, quae huic haberetur, si ostenderetur.


Datum Romae, apud S. Petrum, die undecimo mensis Ianuarii, anno Domini millesimo nongentesimo sexagesimo octavo, Pontificatus Nostri quinto.


ALOISIUS Card. TRAGLIA
S. R. E. Cancellarius


GREGORIUS P. Card. AGAGIANIAN
S. Congr. de Prop. Fide Praefectus

Franciscus Tinello
Apostolicam Cancellariam Regens

Iosephus Del Ton, Protonot. Apost.
Eugenius Sevi, Protonot. Apost.







Again, note the first line, and the English translation....
Adorandi Dei Filii Vicarius et Procurator, quibus numen aeternum summam Ecclesiae sanctae dedit, ...
As the worshipful Son of God's Vicar and Caretaker, to whom the eternal divine will has given the highest rank of the holy Church, …

Shall I include the Donation of Constantine where the first use of that title formed the basis of claims to Papal sovereignty for centuries, and which document no Pope to this day, to my knowledge, has repudiated?

Doesn't Vicar mean representative?

vicar
(in the Roman Catholic Church) a representative or deputy of a bishop.

I mean, are we arguing over a title now?
A priest or a pastor are also representatives of God.
Is this wrong??
Are WE not representatives of God in our daily lives?

We have a bishop here that lives in a city...He's bishop over the priests in my small area - which is all catholic, BTW.

When he can't make it up here, he sends HIS vicar --- his representative.
I don't understand why this is wrong.

(I remind you that I'm protestant)

 

[brakelite]

The title "vicar" to the Catholic mind and to the Vatican power hungry self serving elite is a vastly different kettle of fish to the sense a protestant would give it. To us, vicarious may indeed mean simply an "agent". However, to the Vatican, "vicarious", when it is connected to the Pope, means exactly the same as what the word "antichrist" means...instead of...replacement for. Do not be fooled into thinking Catholicism is your typical well meaning Christian fellowship. While there are no doubt many well meaning and sincere Catholics who are wonderful Christians living fully in accordance to the light they have, the system itself is as crafty, deceptive, and an enemy to genuine Bible believing Christianity.

 

[BreadOfLife]

In other words its a made up synthesis which has absolutely no bearing nor relevance to scripture...there is no real linguistic relevance...there are no other attributes pertaining to EGW to confirm it has any significance...
In Latin and Roman numerals there was no "w" with a value of 10. A single "v" was used to represent the "w", "v" and "u" sound, The double-u (w) apparently evolved many centuries later in other languages, but not Roman numerals. The valid Roman numerals are:

Letter Value
I 1
V 5
X 10
L 50
C 100
D 500
M 1,000
So, ELLEN GOVLD WHITE does not, in fact, add up to 666. Be that as it may, for the moment, lets accept the application to Ellen White. Does this indicate that she is a likely candidate for the Antichrist or beast described in Revelation 13? Even the Catholics that raised this issue do not seriously consider Ellen White to be the Antichrist that scripture warns about. She will simply not fit the many other characteristics attributed to the Antichrist. Using this random method of application to individuals, it is apparent that there might be literally thousands of names that add up to 666, particularly if they are manipulated and Latinized as Rev. Ernest R. Hull demonstrated in the Our Sunday Visitor article several decades ago which I assume you got your fake news from. Clearly this approach is sheer foolishness, and proves nothing, but this deliberate attempt at obscurantism by Catholics in no way invalidates Roman numeral gematria as the solution to 666.

And why do you assume that the Antichrist's number must be added in Latin??
Latin was NOT the lingua franca of the first century when Revelation was written.

I never said the your cult leader was THE antichrist of Revelaton.
She was ceranly AN antichrist - but not THE antichrist.

I was showing you the idiocy of your cult's way of thinking - since you can render literally THOUSANDS of names as "666" . . .

Again, the fact that 1000s of different names, titles etc may be found to add up to 666 if inappropriately manipulated to meet the required number, as the above EG White attempt above, not any or one of them obscures and removes the absolute validity of Vicarius filii dei as the only real genuine candidate.

And there's not a reputable linguist OR biblical scholar alive who would agree with this asinine conclusion.
This is an Adventist opinion based on Adventist hatred of the Church and nothing more.